Friday, January 22, 2016

Hindutva for Pakistani Hindus, not Indian Hindus


I never liked Hindutva as it was secular nay atheistic nationalism in a Hindu garb. Savarkar who coined the term was incredibly confused as to what constituted a Hindu. He considered himself more inspired by the Italian freedom fighter Garibaldi than any one else(this information I imagine would be welcome to the half a dozen niche BJP supporters of Sonia Gandhi!)Of course he did. The prawn munching, beef eating Brahmin was of the Chitpavan community who until  200 year priors before their induction as Peshwas were at the fringes of Hindu society looked down upon by the native Dehashtha Brahmins. However the Chitpavan influence on Marathi society had transformed and corrupted even other Brahmin communities. Therefore KB Hegdewar a Dehashta ,originally from Telengana founded a incredibly odd organization called the RSS with no clear mission in mind. Their idea of Hinduism consists of doing some Shastra and vira puja every now and then followed by calisthenics and nationalistic propaganda against Muslim and Christian invaders. I wonder though where they stand on the very Hindu Mihiragula and Rudradaman; Huna and Saka invaders respectively.  Neither Yashodharman nor the Satavahanas cared about their Hindu credentials but simply wished to evict these barbarians.

Mihiragula was eventually pardoned and left to rule what is now Pakistan where he passed his days pushing elephanys off cliffs as entertainment. Seeing how Chitpavans originated in the northwest regions of Pakistan, it is best to return the volley of their ideology back to that region.

The Hindus of Pakistan are a clearly oppressed and despised lot. But due to the inept Hindutva PR machine, all lamentations about their status falls on deaf ears in the international community. Therefore it is time for them to take up Hindutva and unleash the actual Hindutva terrorism Pakistan bloviates so much about.  But this time make it real.

Bombings of buses, railway stations , airports, mosques, army bases, arson, random machine gun attacks of civilians ,even the occasional rape should be implemented.The use of rape as psy ops device against Muslim women is often under utilized. Savarkar also lamented that Marathas had such gallantry. Muslim mobs are terrified into acquiescence more than any other people sometimes by even the threat of rape of their women.

If R&AW refuses to endorse and sponsor such operation, there are many other methods that private individuals can avail of . Shepherds can ferry them across porous borders.Retired army colonels with Hindutva leanings can train them. Paid agents in the media courtesy of a wealthy benefactor can provide good PR to the cause.

If all this sounds cruel and cynical well keep in mind violence works as it generates headlines and therefore attention to the cause of the militants.

Victimhood is the religion of the media. Even the Muslim friendly media will find it hard to justify majority Muslim Pakistani atrocities against minority Hindus or condemn outright Hindu terrorism in Pakistan.

And the upper rings of the RSS and VHP are timeservers and parasites. But the lower orders as seen in December 6th 1992 will find it hard to constrain their appetitie for action when the opportunity presents itself. A BJP government who cracks down on these training camps can expect never again to stand in elections.

It can however play a double game ala those fake anti terror Muslim apologists in particular the Pakistani talking points in regard to Kashmiri "militants": This Hindutva is against the tenets of Hinduism..however the oppression of Hindus leads them to take desperate measures. We offer them moral support but little else. Any international observer may find there is no involvement by our intelligence agencies , neither would you find any our leaders endorsing such actions.

Either way Pakistan in particular and Islam in general will have a black mark on its reputation even as it suffers terrorism and Hindutvadis will stop haranguing genuine Hindus with their nonsense Hinduism. Win, win

Ishwar Allah Tero Naam
Sabko Sumati De Bhagwan.....





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  2. @YSV

    As usual all your posts are superb and good learning for me :) While Imran Khan comes and asks Modi on the status of minorities in India,Modi cant throw the same Q back to Imran regarding the status of minorities in Pak(which is far more dangerous than those of Indian minorities).This clearly spells out the inept hindutva thinking of Indian RW.Also Modi's shedding tears at every opportunity is not going very well :) Here Modi can take some lessons from MamataBanerjee,who always displayed are single man army tough image to cut down the huge rock of communist machinery in WB.Actually this superman image as projected by Mamata has endeared her to the masses in WB.Now she is also lost in the web of corruption,scandals and minority appeasement beyond all limits,but thats a different issue. My point is that Modi's 56 inch display,whether fake or real, as in loksabha 2014 buildup would help him more than shedding crocodile tears in Rohith Vermula or in Facebook HQ :) My understanding of Indian psyche is that Indians are highly emotional,but at the same time they like to see a hard not-so-emotional type of leader,as Indira Gandhi's image was very popular in in 70s and 80s.

    YSV on a different point,I would like to have ur views on the fact that reading the same Quran,how are some Islamic nations progressive while many others highly islamic?And what's ur views on some of Prophet Muhammad's activities like Banu Qurazya which apparently could have been avoided?

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    1. To be sure there is a double standard in politics that works against female leaders. Male politican can weep copious amount of tears (which Clinton, Bush 43 and Obama did recently) and still maintain their macho credentials to a degree while female politicians have no such luxury as they are already at a disadvantage due to their gender. Hence to succeed they have to be twice as tough as men such as Indira Gandhi, Golda Meir, Bhutto, Kumaratunga, Mayawati, Haseena,Thatcher etc etc. And now Mamta Banerjee

      Indians were not always that emotional. In the Tirukkural, a woman weeping is considered a sign of immodesty! Not to speak of men. I believe this was the case in rest of India as I read similar things about other polities within India though I cant remember specifically at this time.
      Of course masses are emotional everywhere but Indians take this to a perverse level and it is a factor of our decline.

      Regarding the Quran, well different people interpret it differently or ignore it altogether(Albania, Bosnia, Turkey come under this category). Of course Saudi Arabia rendition of the Quran is incredibly austere but until the oil boom it was restricted to Saudi Arabia.
      In Indonesia with the largest Muslim population in the worldfor instance you have the national carrier of Garuda and Sanskrit names and references to Ramayana galore but in neighboring Malaysia, the rampant Islamism is busy undermining Hindu customs.
      Much of the differences of Muslim between practices are political and cultural where Islam is part of their identity but not the whole of it. I met Russian Muslims , not recent converts but had been Muslim since the days of the Golden Horde. All they knew or needed to know about Islam was that pork was a nono. Apart from they engaged in alcohol and the occasiona sexual dalliance(men AND women) just like other Russians.
      One could say the same about Bengali Muslims prior to the Britis census of 1900 who had helpfully informed the Durga Puja celebrating individuals named Ismail Ghosh that they were Muslims and were placed in that category which resulting the proto partition of Bengal and resultant tragedies.

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    2. Whatever the Banu Qurayza dealings with prophet Mohammad, his reaction to them was harsh even by the standards of the Arabian peninsula. Arabs it was said were a feuding not a warring people. Extermination of the entire tribe and taking their women as concubines(which Mohd had done) was something that Assyrians and Babylonians would do and perhaps Joshua during his conquest of Canaan.
      So even by the standards of that brutal era and area, it was rather alarming.

      But interestingly while Jews don't care too much for Muslims, they rarely bring this up to discredit Muslims. Perhaps because their own conduct as per the Torah is far from exemplary. Either way, given half a chance Jews then and now give Arab women the same treatment.

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    3. @YSV

      thanks for ur elaborate reply,cleared my questions :)

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    4. @YSV

      actually in bengal the rift betwn Hindus&Muslims was slowly but surely engineered by brits over a passage of time.CR Das had read this trend of the british indian bureaucracy very early,and thus he advised his disciple Netaji(who was very much Gandhian back then) to take note of the situation and try to infuse nationalism in the Muslim mindset.Infact u would be amazed at the similarity of the british administration and the congress machinery post independence in creating separatist sentiments among Muslims.When Surya Sen had built his small army of schoolboys in chittagong(which didnt have a single muslim student interestingly),the british police grabbed the opportunity and announced rewards for the muslim community of chittagong,provided they help police or atleast stay aloof from Surya Sen's efforts .and the agenda was completely successful.Today it feels strange that a community which represented more than 10% of the population even in preindependence era and was always the largest minority,can only boast of one freedom fighter Asfaqullah Khan,who was directly hanged by Brits.I am not claiming that Asfaqullah was the lone muslim participating in freedom movement,but surely he was the only muslim sent to gallows for freedom struggle.At this stage we can safely say that the nationalist movement pre47 was for the most part a united hindu struggle.It was the united stand of the Indian hindus against foreign oppression.again one interesting point is that the erstwhile HinduMahasabha completely failed to take note of this,and in turn decided to support allies in ww2,even going against INA's entry into India.there was,in reality,no need for leaders like Savarkar to impart right wing hindu centric angle to it,it was already a hindu phenomena :) the only silver lining favouring Muslims was their participation in the INA.The ratio of muslim soldiers in INA far exceeded the ratio of muslim population in Indian mainland,and they fought for the united India agenda with no separate Pak or East Pak.for some reason or other,nationalist muslim leaders like Sufi Ambaprasad(ally of Rashbehari Bose in Hindu German Conspiracy of ww1) or Asfaqullah Khan(ally of Chandrasekhar Azad and a staunch nationalist) never got the reqd limelight in the muslim community,hence nationalist feelings slowly degraded over time,finally culminating in Jinnah's demand for separate muslim nation.INC could have checked this situation since they had a few good muslim leaders in their ranks but they only played second fiddle.

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    6. @Iniyavel

      Check out this video for a run-up of liberal as well as conservative myths about the Vietnam war:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vl_Suzs2K0w

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    7. Belated birthday wishes to JAM too!

      Eisenhower being the first serious Cold war president set the stage for the U.S Pakistan pact in face of Soviet aggression. There was air forces bases in Pakistan, Gary Bauer the spy plane pilot who crashed in the soviet Union launched from Peshawar.

      Vietnam war seems an optional war which was carried out ineptly due to bad leadership in the administration and on ground. Neither Soviets nor the Chinese saw it as a real beachhead for further communist expansion. While Eisenhower believed in the domino theory, he didnt feel Vietnam merited intervention even as he helped the French hold on to it than was neccesary. JFK and LBJ unneccesarily aggravated the situation due an open ended mission. Nixon was trying to make the best of the situation and if not for Watergate and his support for Pakistan in 1971 for which his credibility and mandate were understandably diminished, he could have salvaged the situation.

      At the same time Eisenhower opposed Franc,Israel and UKs war against Egypt when Nasser nationalized the Suez canal in 1956 and threatened U.S intervention unless they stopped.
      Eisenhower again interfered in Iran by undercutting the populist socialist Mosssadegh via CIA coup and installing the Shah. Actually the Shah had great ratings in the beginning of his term but squandered it due to his cronyism and corruption. The Ayotollah apparently was beloved by the masses for his modest lifestyle and clear and hypnotic words. These included secular and religous folks. Indeed one of his ardent admirers was a French Jewish homosexual philosopher Michel Focault! Irony of ironies.
      Ultimately we saw what happened. It seemed that the Iranians are cursed with the devil or the deep sea when it comes to leaders. And U.S simply promoted the lesser evil.

      I heard rumors of Khomeini having Sikh background not least because the emblem of the Iranian flag is similar to that of the Khalsa. Heck some Iranians told me this but the likelihood is the reverse- Sikhism is really a moulding of Shiite Islam and Hindu beliefs. Hence the long beards(Hindus are mustache not beard afficianados), Persianate clothing, words(Takht, Wahe,Saheb) and perhaps some beliefs in Guru Granth Sahib as well.I am not sure.

      I realize I made some promises about Eisenhower and freemasons but the topics ane so vast and hence so ambitious as the scope is so great that I am frightened I may do a half assed job and hence keep procrastinating. I should work on that.

      Ok- as for you- you are welcome back BUT...on probation. Any more of these anti semitic crackpot theories or generic bigotry and its back in exile for you!

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    10. And youre off to a running start with the same old rubbish. I warned you about this. I am not a fan of Islam either but you can express your discontent if better language. Don't make such statements again.

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  3. thanks a lot Iniyavel.Ur wishes mean a lot to me :) May Shiva take u to the 7th plane :)

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    1. This article is doubly wrong. There is no 'mystery' around the Bermuda Triangle, and the Vedas' opinion on the subject is the same as their opinion on the latest Coco-Cola commercial; ie nothing. Read the Wikipedia article on the Bermuda triangle.

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    3. Frankly, I would suggest you spend less time on unproductive stuff online and more time on your future. Take care.

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    1. @Iniyavel

      bro thanks for ur wishes but Bengal will remain a shit hole for quite some time in the future.just like Jaya is a goddess in your state,so is Mamata in ours.People just wont think of anything else.Just like Jaya,Mamata is doing some things great,like peasants welfare or upliftment of the rural infrastructure.Mamata has come from a background of poverty hence she understands the pulse of the poor very well.but overall negative points are too many which will outweigh the positives.and more irritating is the fact that Mamata has now become a part of NDA,though it has not been revealed officially.bjp destroys its own base and cadre morale with suicidal alliances and appeasement policies.just in 2014 ,bjp toppled communists in WB to become the strongest opposition officially,but then a series of political blunders and weakening their propaganda in return of RS support by TMC,has now ruined them beyond recovery.and now North Indians will blame bongs for not voting bjp,without realising that bongs never had bjp as a viable option,because of the latter's compromises :)

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  8. Savarkar was not confused about who is a Hindu. Word ‘Hindu’ originally meant an Indian who followed an Indian religion. His idea is far better than those who advocate a Hindu identity based on religious dogmas. If you are basing Hindu identity on religion, which religion will you consider as true Hindu faith? - Rigvedic? Buddhist? Jaina? Vaishnava? Shaiva? Shakta? Smartha? Sikh? Net result of adopting a religious definition for who is a Hindu will be causing irreparable divisions within wider Hindu civilization.

    Sangh have nowhere said that they love Scythians and Huns simply because they followed Indian religions. Sangh consider Savarkar as one of its ideologues and Savarkar has celebrated successful Indian resistance to Scythians and Huns in his Six Glorious Epochs of Indian History. So please don’t spread wrong information.

    Nobody has any right to say that Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh did not do this or did not do that.

    After all, how many critics of Sangh have performed any valuable service to Hindu cause? Forget about heroics – how many of them would have done the un-heroic, yet invaluable service of voting for pro-Hindu party in elections?

    Hindus lost control over subcontinent in December of 1802 when Baji Rao II accepted British suzerainty. After that, it was only in 2014 May that a pro-Hindu leader emerged as the strongest power in Indian sub-continent as well as have come to dominate it. – And you have nobody other than Sangh to thank for that.

    Last time a Hindu leader reigned dominant over subcontinent was Mahadji Sindhia. With his death in 1794, Maratha Hindu power declined and came to an end during 1797 to 1805 when civil wars and British intervention finished off Maratha commonwealth. 210 years after death of the great Sindhia, a Hindu leader has come to dominate Indian subcontinent on May of 2014.--- thanks to the slow and steady work done by five generations of Swayamsevaks.

    Mongols had raped and murdered millions of Muslims. But Islam is alive as before whereas Mongols have disappeared into pages of history. Even worse – Mongols who settled in Islamic lands converted finally to Islam. Why did that happen? Answer is simple – Islamic threat is a threat posed by a religion or idea. An idea cannot be defeated by violence. Pit an idea against violence. Idea will win in the end. Violence can be effective only if it is used in service of another idea. Soviets understood this fact and were most successful in dealing with Islamic threat than rest of the world.

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    1. Welcome back Sagar,you raise some good points but in the end you fail to establish cause and effect in your core argument(that Sangh Parivar lead to a Hindu political renaissance)

      Sakas and Hunas are accepted in the north Indian Kshatriya community so much so there is a calendar named after Saka and a gotra Huna within Rajputs.
      And the BJP in its historiography doesnt really go after Huns at all even though their cultural impact was devastating. They were responsible for the destruction of Taxila and wrecked to socio political system of traditional Hindus in the northwest providing Arabs and Turks a (relatively) easy conquest.

      One particular critic of the Sangh actually picked up weapons against a Muslim tyrant, refused to compromise with terrorists in office, oversaw the the economic liberalization of India lifting 10s of millions out of poverty and paved the way for India to become a nuclear power. And he allowed the destruction of Babri Masjid. I speak of course of PV Narasimha Rao. He is to date the only PM who ever picked up a gun-he was an anti Nizam guerilla and was underground during independence.
      Which Hindutvadi comes even close to those accomplishments? We have seen disgrace after disgrace under Vajpayee and now with Chief Hugger I mean Minister Modi and his insistence that Pakistan "investigate" the Pathankot incidence, I really dont see him serious about his country's prestige despite Ajit Doval in his administration. Where is Sushma Swaraj's 10 Pak heads for 1 Indian head that she promised. Say what you what about Indira Gandhi(I am certainly no fan), but she wouldnt take that crap from Pakistanis and she certainly wouldnt waste time "investigating" anything but simply demand a Pak general's head on a platter. A point not lost on Vajpayee when he declared her Devi Durga on earth.

      I wouldnt care or criticize the RSS if they would restrict them selves to being some boy scout type organization which they really are. You do realize they were AWOL during the independence movement. Again I dont begrudge them as much our police and military beureaucracies are the brain child of British collaborators. But when they revise history and start talking about their contribution to the struggle then I have to call their bullshit.

      You are correct that Savarkar did indeed revel over the thrashing the Sakas and Huns recieved in Six Glorious Epochs. But the same Savarkar insisted that Muslim women shouldve been raped, mosques torn down and Hindus take beef and give vegetarianism as it makes them weak and cowardly. Furthermore he was an atheist. He made quite a few acrid remarks about Hindu penchant for astrology when America was planning the moon mission.
      Which Hindutvadi today dares take those positions publicly?

      I see your point about Mongols and Islam but in the end Islam has prevailed even despite of Soviet communist ideas and violence. Not because Islam is as resilient as it seems but because
      a) Mongols were indifferent towards religions in general due to their own primitive shamanism. They adapted to the religions of the conquered peoples. Islam in Central Asia. Buddhist in Tibet. Hinduism in Nepal. Even the stray Christian and Jewish descendents of Mongols are around!
      b) Soviet being atheists underestimated the power of religion and mistakenly dismissed it as the "opiate of masses"

      This doesnt mean that religions are forever. Simply that they are replaced by another. If you said in the 5th century that Zoroastrian religion whose adherents had humiliated Romans and Byzantines and was the master of the entire Middle East,a good chunk of Central Asia and western south Asia that they would be near extinct in a century , no one wouldve believed you. And yet thats what occured. The same thing may happen to another religion that dominates the Middle East today. And again its decline may well start from Iran as Ive postulated before.

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    2. re Marathas. Yes Mahadji Scindia was the master of India but he allowed the Mughal to symbolically rule India even as a puppet by allowing him to occupy the Delhi throne. Sita Ram Goel described this as Marathas terrified of their own greatness. The fact that the British toppled the last Mughal no matter how helpless and pathetic(when his hired Telugu sepoys revolted over delayed pay, he could only beg and plead with them) , it allowed to craft the offensive narrative that they were saviors of Hindus from Islam. And they brought "peace" to India beset with warfare. Of course India was beset with warfare. So what? This is no one else's business. I doubt Eastern Europeans are too grateful for the Ottoman "peace" since the Serbian conquest. Neither will the European powers in the late 1700 appreciate the arrival of Marthanda Varma's navy to pacify the continent( Varma threatened to invade Amsterdam if the the Dutch didnt vacate Kerala).

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    6. I support Modi only as a lesser evil-i.e the alternatives are so much more objectionable. Though Sushma Swaraj seems quite capable even if her personality is less than appealing. Smriti Irani like many others in his cabinet is a mediocrity. I have no idea on what basis Manohar Parikkar has two cabinet positions.

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  9. Sorry all for my absence. I was rather busy with work and my father's health issues(prostate cancer). It was inremission but came back with a vengeance. But looks better now as it was caught in time. I would like to take this opportunity to address what i feel about the Sri Sri Ravishankar and other babas who spout crap about Hindu holistic traditions but make a beeline for Western medicine when their own ass is on the line. My dad who was a skeptic most of his life(he used to make jokes about Shiva being a fool for granting wishes to demons etc) around the age of 50 discovered Sri^x and was all in with chakras ,meditation, auras and other New Agey stuff. He even went as far as to claim that with greater practice, he can cure cancer by doing pranic healing. Even as two of his friends died of cancer. And now it seems like he has about 5 -10 years at the most. If he dies before that time period, I will look forward to stripping Sri^2 naked , shave his beard and hair and parade him on a donkey as he is responsible for horribly misleading my dad with his rubbish. Let his "pranic healing" try and stop me.

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  10. I will have some posts up before end of the week. God knows Im overdue!

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    1. YSV back with a bang :D I never fail to check ur blog every three or four days,to see whether u have returned or not :) saddened to hear ur father's health problems.I pray that he gets a long healthy life beyond this temporary problem with health.Regarding ur point on Sri3,I echo ur thoughts.Also i would like to point out one thing here,Sri3's sudarshan kriya is solely his own invention,this form of pranayama doesnt come from traditional yoga methods.Regarding pranic healing,the concept and the phrase pranic healing in themselves are new age injections.However my father follows the pranayams Swami Ramdev teaches early morn.He is a doctor in the field of modern medicine,hence when he initially started doing pranayams of Swami ramdev,he was sceptical about them.He continued doing them because he likes waking up in the morn and the discipline.He has been doing the pranayams for around 1 year now.He also had urinary bladder retention problems in the past due to same prostate enlargement.Now he says it has been completely healed.Also he had osteoporosis related issues in his right knee.As of now he says his knee pain has cured completely.So the traditional sahaja &laghu pranayams do bring in some kind of healing to the body.I believe this whole healing is very much on scientific lines.My father is not the sole person,many people have reported healing of many ailments,particularly the chronic types,with yoga.Infact my father recently attended an all India neuro-psychiatry convention.He told me later that even in the convention,which was fully allopathic,a wellknoen neurophysician had delivered a speech on how he found simple pranayam techniques have proven beneficial to some of his patients in healing their nerve related conditions,migraine etc.From this my father deduced that probably in his case,doing the pranayams strengthed his nervous system in some way,because pain from osteoporosis and problem of urinary bladder retention are both linked to nervous system. However as i said,I would send no one to Triple Shri for a healing.His process is his own invention.

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  11. Captain Vafakayil says

    "JEWS INJECTED POISON IN THE QURAN"

    and

    "MOUNUDDIN CHISTI WAS A CRYPTO JEW"

    I protested and GUESS WHAT,

    THE TRUTH EXHUMER BLOCKED MY COMMENTS.

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    2. Boy those Jews sure do get around. Perhaps he should make sure his wife and sons are not crypto Jews!

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    1. Eh? Arent there other youths than Punjabis who can join the armed forces. As of now I believe "poorbias" -those from UP, Bihar and other Hindi speaking areas are joining in large numbers. Heck south Indians may also fill in the void. They are currently under represented in the army though over represented in the air force and navy. The list of Vayu Sena recipients reads like a Chennai phone book!

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