Hindutva DIchotomy on south Indian culture only exposes their hollowness
Im sure you all have seen comments on YouTube videos of films such as Bahubali and other dubbed mythological and films which feature Sanskrit and vernacular devotional songs from Telugu and other south Indian languages as to how celebration of Hinduism is possible(or rather allowed) only in that industry. And praise south Indians as those who maintain true Hindu culture compared to Bollywood which revels in Islamic aesthetics and Muslim apologetics.
However these same individuals turn around and say that south Indian are either misguided or anti national for not voting for BJP (even as the latter are making considerable inroads).
What explains this dichotomy? A political analogy which holds true for the last 50 or so years is apt.
The average leftist in western countries agitates for more and more taxation and government intrusion for the sake of the "Greater good" whether is healthcare, welfare, schools, homeless shelters and so on. All the while they are far less likely to give to charity than right leaning Christians or libertarians. Because they feel smug on doing part by depending less on skydaddy than on a real life sugardaddy who for their causes is a like djinn who never stops granting wishes. All the while they enjoy the intagible aspects of civic life such as cleanliness, order, conveniences such as well stocked supermarkets , world class private hospitals and universities, relibale electrecity and water and general high standard of living which usually occurs under right leaning governments. One only has to go to California (home of Silicon Valley as well as rolling blackouts and public defecations) and New York City( where they let prisoners lose and were shocked to see crime rates icnrase) to see what a catastrophe leftst governments can create within a decade.
Similarly Hindutvadis have stopped bothering with preserving and promoting Hindusim as becoming a member of BJP RSS club means that you are a super Hindu. Never mind that Islamic propaganda spewing Bollywood is based in Maharastra run by governments more anti Muslim than BJP. North Indian sophisticates drown themselves in shayari, ghazal, qawaali etc . All of which are thoroughly Islamic. Even Hindustani music owes much of its compositions to gharanas patronized by Muslims. In Hindustani music Muslims are a dime a dozen while they are they are rarer than an honest Indian politician ( lets just say politician) in Carnatic music.
Having ceded the cultural sphere to Muslims due to sheer incompetence and laziness , Hindutvadis are orphans in the culture wars and hence gravitate to foster family of south Indian films and culture but like leftists who migrate to functional cities and wreck them like locusts with their inane policies, Hindutvadis are about to do the same when they make membership in some political club the essence of Hindusim
Dark days lie ahead.
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Happy New Year!
ReplyDeleteAlso Happy Birthday Anu!
I just finished reading your post. Here are my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteLet us start with the four states:
1. With the deaths of Jayalalithaa and Karunanidhi, the politics of populism in Tamilnadu has taken a huge hit. Nowadays what matters more is who cares more for day-to-day issues faced by people in that state. ADMK is doomed while DMK is still going strong. BJP attempted the Bihar formula in Tamilnadu by trying to make Rajinikanth the Chirag Paswan of Tamilnadu. They started shitting on official ally ADMK, just like they did Nitish Kumar and JDU, but it backfired spectacularly after Rajinikanth announced that he was not going to enter politics. What is interesting about this announcement by Rajinikanth was that his fans were not that sad about it but Sanghis (North Indian, Telugu and Tamil) had a massive meltdown on social media.
2. Kerala, they are opposing BJP because Modi kicked them out of the bureaucracy at New Delhi and replaced them with Gujaratis. If Modi lets them back into the bureaucracy, forget Hindus, even Muslims and Christians from that state will turn into Sanghis.
3. Telugu politicians and the general people of Andhra and Telangana have been playing a game of "silent understanding" with BJP since 2014 while Tamils and Sikhs stood out in defiance. They should have known about the very nature of New Delhi. Even Congress was doing this at one point of time. Instead of directly or indirectly providing support to New Delhi, they should have put in some effort to understand why Tamils were resisting New Delhi's heavy hand but they did not. Instead, they were browbeating Tamils. Also Telugus in Tamil Nadu are strong supporters of BJP and its innumerable B-team parties. Looks like they have not learned their lessons after GVK Reddy and GMR Reddy lost to Adani the airports of Mumbai and Hyderabad respectively. Adani snatched those airports using Modi as a middleman. No one can blame BJP for its performance in the Hyderabad municipal polls. Telugus put themselves in this position. No one else is to blame.
4. Kannadigas will even set their own houses on fire just to prove how "nationalist" and "patriotic" they are and how "anti-national" Tamils are. They are that stupid. They can now lie in the bed they made for themselves and become the Uttar Pradesh of South India.
Some more thoughts:
1. BJP has no opposition at the national level. Congress is dead. Rahul and Priyanka are in fact BJP's star campaigners. So long as the current state of affairs remains, BJP will rule for the next 10-15 years at least.
2. It is BJP's second term. Expect them to rise in stature everywhere. They will be even stronger in their third term. Hindu Rashtra is just around the corner.
3. RSS brainwashes people in rural areas and turns them against each other. Do not expect people who graduate from their shakhas to be productive or creative members of society.
4. It is better to fight RSS and BJP and go down. Even if you lose today, you can live to fight and even win another day. Allying with BJP directly or indirectly carries deadly consequences. Look at Nitish Kumar and Mehbooba Mufti.
5. As I stated before, Tamils have generally slacked down. The younger generation has no idea what it is to not get an education or starve. BJP will naturally grow in such circumstances. Given the above circumstances, I expect BJP's vote share to rise from 3% to 6-7% in Tamilnadu this time.
By the way, did you write this post because of BJP's performance in the Hyderabad municipal polls?
1. By the way, this is all happening at a time China has militarily activated the entire border with India. Instead of dividing India left and right, should not RSS and BJP focus on bringing everyone together to face the real threat to India? Doklam 2017 and Ladakh 2020 are just trailers. China will fight a war with India by 2025. They will be ready with their next generation warfare by 2030, a truncated version enough for India by 2023. There is no time left to lose. I have been warning about this for a long time now.
ReplyDelete2. Indians faced invasions because they never took the effort to learn what was going on far beyond their lands. Contrast that to how Mongols, Turkics, Arabs, Iranians, etc., were roaming around the entire region. They were traveling and fighting wars all over the known world from Europe to China. Even al-Beruni, the Persian philosopher, noted the general lack of interest among Indians re: what was happening in the rest of the world, shortly after the Ghazni and Ghori episodes. Whose fault was it then? In the 18th century, Rajputs did not take up guns when the British introduced them but instead roamed around in their horses and swords. What happened? The same way China is far stronger than India but RSS and BJP are more intent on fighting cultural wars within India instead of focusing on the real threat. Should it take one more millennium of slavery for Indians to wake up, this time to the Chinese? The Delhi Sultanate and the Mughals are not going to return, but the Chinese are definitely going to wage a war. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
3. I personally feel RSS' and BJP's hysteria against Indian Muslims is misplaced. Only less than 15% of them are Upper Castes/Ashrafs. Yes, they care more about Israel/Palestine, Turkey, France, etc., but they are only a minority within a minority. And even amongst them, only a handful of people dream of Delhi/Mughal Sultanates. 85% of India's Muslims are Lower Castes/Pasmandas who are largely neglected. Last time I checked, they cared zilch for the Muslim Ummah and more for their own well-being. Or is invisibilizing them a deliberate design by RSS and BJP just to keep the downtrodden castes marginalized? I have no idea.
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ReplyDeleteHappy New Year dude. Though honestly my eyes glaze over whenever you or someone else(mostly you though) go off on a political tangent. Politics generally bores me to death. I would rather speak in terms of culture and to the extent of political discussion I would rather related to culture or any other issue as much as possible.
ReplyDeleteYou promised to write a blog on all the fraud that happened during US Elections 2020. After observing all the events that have happened since, I am confused. What really happened over there?
ReplyDeleteNow that Sleepy Joe is POTUS, what are its implications for the US and for the rest of the world?
Hey man write on 2020 election and Qanon. Now it's a confirmed larp.
ReplyDeleteYoutube deleted the Qproof video so i can't link it but i saw so many "coincidences" that seemed enough to prove Q is the real deal. But now i think it is really safw to say it was a psyop or a hoax at this point. What is your take on this? Also was Trump a good prez? All my stupid relatives are laughing at him and saying he handles corona poorly and floyd thing. All normie takes.
Those who mockingly compare Trump's record compared to the incredibly sick and disturbed woman Jacinda Aldern of New Zealand who became the media darling for banishing covid should realize a few things. A U.S President has limited control over state sovereignity , he cannot order states to close or open up as he pleases.
DeleteIt is far more difficult to shut down the U.S economy than the New Zealand economy
New Zealand is the middle of nowhere and has more sheep than people It has one or two major metroplis.
The 200,000 or 400,000 or whatever goofy numbers released by the CDC have been quietly revised back in October to only 6% to 10% of those numbers who died exclusively from covid.
the Jan 6th siege had many parties involved. Trump supporters who condemn the storming of the capital like to to believe it was an antifa false flag. Well yes and no. There was antifa involved but whatever their intention, pro Trump individuals engaged in theft, violence and vandalism. Q anon cult among the trump crowd is most likely a psyop by the intelligence communities using pretty much the Bolshevik playbook. It created this messiah mindset and all sorts of kooky theories similar to how many Vadakayil type semi literates who think India will revert to British rule after 2047. Similarly they believe U.S was a corporation set up by the British and its term expires on January 17th 2021 or similar nonsense and Joe Biden is the president of a hollow entity. Well firstly corporations dont have inbuilt expiration dates and whatever the British set up back is a moot point. I am pretty sure no one will accept India being handed over back to the British either. Never mind Indians, British maybe the first to protest as their politicians are barely run their own country and keep that union intact.
My view on corona is that its a hysterical overreaction at best and is weaponized to promote various dark agendas (such as the tanking of the U.S economy by the MIC to get their guy Biden in, corporatists to help China and the Great Reset to better control the sheeple) at worst.
BTW @ a follower , your hero captain is paranoid about covid and runs around like a chicken with its head cut off . He advised Modi to beat and kill people who step outside their homes. He is a normie and NPC on steroids. The nice thing about COVID is that reveals the cowardly frauds such as the captain for instance from those genuine individuals who fight the power structure. But I knew this since 2014 since going to jail for less than half the week permanently traumatized him and he kept wetting his pants even if he heard the name Aamir Khan.
The entire COVID fiasco has revealed the elites thirst and almost sexual desire for extreme control and power by locking their citizens and constantly gas lighting ( get a vaccine and wear two masks advises the genius Fauci who bungled the AIDS epidimic) . But it also taught me what I knew but didnt realize the extant- most poeple on this earth are just sheep, they are bodies not souls. NPCs, zombies, walking pieces of flesh. This cuts across political lines, though the currently the right are rather more skeptical than the left. But thats mostly because this pandemic hurts right leaning governments in power. An exception to this is Boris Johnson- yet another authoritarian fraud. Sad.
The U.S right is unique in being anti authoritarian and pro liberty and hence detests lockdowns. But the European and Indian right is totally okay with these. Israels Netanyahu who is as slimy as they come is in the same category.
Most glorified civil servants such as Modi and regional hegemons such as YSR Congress, TRS, DMK, AIDMK and other assorted criminal organizations by other names are lacking imagination,vision, courage and common sense and see lockdowns as the way to go.
As to whether Trump was a good president, he was a net positive . But he seriously under estimated how deep the rot goes and he made too many errors shooting himself in the foot early on in the administration letting this Russia hoax fester and metastasize. He hardly did anything to reign in social media censorship . Alex Jones deplatforming in 2018 should have been a warning as to what was to come. Yes he is rather a kook . Keep in mind though they see all of the right wing in the same manner. This is why I thought the "punch a Nazi" trend after the white supremacist Richard Spencer got sucker punched by some deranged leftist sickening. I dont subscribe obviously to Spencer's views but he did not commit any violent acts neither did he call for violence. Furthermore for the left all of the right are Nazis.
DeleteFirst they came for the Nazis, I didnt say anything as I wasnt a Nazi......
to paraphrase a famous line
Yes, this is the world we live in. We have to support objectionable people right to free speech and assembly othewrise we are next on the chopping block.
A few show trials with the stoned CEO of Twitter jack Dorsey (I dunno why he insists on appearing rather than let his erudite Chief Counsel Vijaya Gadde do the talking) and the android Mark Zuckerberg (who has trouble even drinking water in a convincing manner) and the glorified puppet Sundar Pichai achieved nothing.
His long lasting achievements maybe Middle east and balkan peace deals. Offing the machiavellians and irreplacable Suleimani as well as deescalating North Korean tensions . As well as energy self suffieciency though this trend was started by GW Bush. Alas his economic achievements were undone by COVID
But his most enduring legacy is to shine a lot on the rot underlying American institutions. This was especially apparent in the recent days when trading apps likely on orders from the White House help stop hedge fund bleeding of 10s of billions by suspending trading on gamestop when Reddit Goliaths decided to take on the system and succeed.
Just in case you did not notice, Captain Ajit Vadakayil's blog site is now giving out a warning indicating that it is dangerous. Check it out for yourself. This is the message I got when I tried to enter via Google Chrome.
ReplyDeleteThe site ahead contains harmful programs
Attackers on ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com might attempt to trick you into installing programs that harm your browsing experience (for example, by changing your homepage or showing extra ads on sites you visit).
Maybe you need to secure your blog site with HTTPS, HSTS and PKP asap. Otherwise your blog site will start throwing out the same warning a few months down the line.
Yeah, you are right! However, this message doesn't appear on Firefox, at least for me.
DeleteBtw,capt is hurling abuses at Google for marking his blog as spam. And he has created a new custom domain blog on wordpress & his minions are pimping it on twitter, FB & other social media.
Although Google, Twitter, Facebook and other "Big Tech" organizations are behaving with bias, he deserves the hammer for his plagiarism and hate-filled posts. He seems to have gone off the deep end now.
Deletewhat plagiarism? Is saying sun rises from east plagiarism? You can call him hundred names but don't lie man.
Delete@a follower
DeleteCaptain plagiarizes shamelessly from innumerable sources from Sandeepweb to Aryaveer to neo Nazi and New Age sites and various others. If you dont anything then just shut up.
@ysv: Your observations regarding Sikhs turned out to be true. Now all northie Hindus who place Sikhs on a high pedestal are suddenly against them. They will never learn.
ReplyDeleteThanks. to be fair, this was apparent since the Khalistan movement to some degree or the other. What is interesting is that well until the 1990s there was a trend for many north Indian Hindus to raise one of their sons as a Sikh. This was most common with Punjabi , Sindhi , Rajput and even some Gujarati Hindus. But this was not reciprocated
DeleteI dont think people realize how deep the feelings of resentment and contempt the Sikhs had towards larger Hindu society. Recently a Sikh leader during the farm protest referred to all Hindu women as whores. How this is different from Islamist mocking "easy" Hindu women vs "pious and pure" Muslim women is beyond me but many hindus twisted themselves into pretzels trying to explain it away that he is not a representative of Sikhs and the usual sentimental gibberish. The reality is that rape of Punjabi Hindu women by Khalistani terrorists was standard procedure and they openly expressed similar views .There is at best tepid condemnation by Sikhs at this quote but note they are very vocal when some Islamic sensibilities are mocked by Hindus.
Sikhism is theological nonsense if we have to honest- an odd hodgepodge of Islam, Hinduism and the prophetic sort of monotheism injected by the British who had the final say in the religious practices and scriptures. Heck they were instrumental in ensuring that Sikhs remain "Aryan" Punjabi and related groups and promoted extreme genetic selections to create healthy children. If you wonder why many Sikhs have extremely large forearms and calves compared to Punjabi Hindus of the same caste, well now you know Like all egalitarian sects such as Lingayats they have a refreshing approach to ingroup solidarity and strong cohesion. But like the Ligayats who became rather arrogant and militant which led to events such as Palnati Yuddham and reorganized south indian polities, Sikhism is undergoing the same. Either it will dissolve into drugs, low fertility rates and other decadence or revise their customs and accept themselves as a sect of Hinduism as Lingayats did.
Khalistan problems started partly because Indira Gandhi though a socialist , intended to end the preferential treatment to Sikh farmer by offering them good rates irrespective of the wehat and other commodities market. Khalistan was a rebellion by prosperous Jat Sikhs who hoodwinked few other communities into joining them. Its the same situation today.
Indira Gandhi also propped up Bhindranwale in an attempt to undermine Shiromani Akali Dal back then. It backfired and blew up in her face.
DeleteDespite British attempts at separating Sikhs, they still could not eradicate casteism among Sikhs. Forget Sikh casteism, even Muslim casteism is starting to surface despite Ashrafs' ruthless attempts to suppress them under the "Muslim" label.
I am not going to get into Muslims and Sikhs who are irreconcilable with Hindus for largely if not only theocratic reasons. But I do have a few queries, if you do not mind.
1. The Nepalese also hate India even though both countries are largely Hindu. The Nepalese hate Indian tourists, but if an Indian tourist says he is from Tamil Nadu, Kerala, or anywhere else in South India, the hate suddenly goes down considerably. I wonder why.
-> I will not get into China or Pakistan as both countries are hostile. So I do not buy into their attempts at looking down on mainland India while seeing Tamils or South Indians differently.
2. Even within India, mainland Indians aka Hindustanis (I will not refer to them as cow belt) are loathed in the Northeast. Although the friction with Bengal and southern India is much lower, it still exists.
Do you think mainland Indian Hindus might be doing something wrong? Because I believe it is not possible for almost everyone in the neighborhood and within the country to hate or loathe them all at the same time. Leaving China and Pakistan aside, even the Nepalese and now the Bhutanese hate India. Bangladesh was up-and-down and came with its own set of problems.
Of course, I will be fair and not blame Hindustanis for Sri Lanka because that was purely due to Tamils.
3. I have noticed that Karnataka and Telangana Muslims are more fanatical than even Kashmiri Muslims. Why is that?
I ask these questions because of my observations:
Delete1. Whenever Hindutvadis flood Israel Defense Force with praises on Twitter, some prominent Israelis come over and kick their asses ruthlessly. What used to be a heated battlefield between Israelis and (mostly Arab) Muslims ends up with both Israelis and Arabs on the same side mocking and ridiculing Hindus.
2. Last year, a Muslim fanatic named Mohammad Hijab threatened Apostate Prophet Ridvan Aydemir with rape of his wife and also slandered his children. Ridvan Aydemir is an American ex-Muslim of Turkish descent. He ripped the Koran in retaliation on a live stream. Iranian Canadian ex-Muslim Armin Navabi ripped up the Koran in solidarity and escalated the heat. Hindutvadis flooded Armin Navabi's TL with praises and support. OpIndia even published an article praising him. This had Armin and Kenyan Canadian ex-Muslim Abdullah Sameer thinking. A few days later, they posted an image of Sexy Kali and the same Hindutvadis who supported Armin turned against him and went full retard, to the extent that even fanatical Islamists were shocked and remarked that they never reacted this way to insults thrown at Mohammad, Aisha and Fatima.
1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oihnbTXnzog
2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E56KQUEU9fg
Mohammad Hijab defended the Hindu outrage and Hindutvadis were liking his tweets.
Hindutvadis reacted to the extent that Armin Navabi and Susanna McIntyre were suspended from Twitter.
I have a query: Why is it that Hindutvadis end up becoming the laughing stock all the time, wherever they go? They usually take sides but always invariably end up getting their asses kicked really hard.
@ysv "Heck they were instrumental in ensuring that Sikhs remain "Aryan" Punjabi and related groups and promoted extreme genetic selections to create healthy children."
DeleteCould you explain it, I did not get it.
Were Lingayats that dominant in Andhra? I thought they were only in Karnataka. Even today Lingayats have good influence in Karnataka politics.
Are Punjabis genetically different from other North Indians?
Apart from Military and politics, I don't see any intellectuals from Punjab, Haryana side.
Delete1. Nepalese , Afghans, Himachal, even Coorgis and Todas being hill people have contempt for plains people. As for Nepalis not despsing south Indians, yeah that is not true at all.
Delete2. HIndi speakers are the most populous and control the levers of power as well as in charge of most sacred sites in Hinduism. Add to this their poverty and you have potent mix of resentment and contempt..
3. Telangana and Karnataka Muslim are somwhat alienated from the mainsream due to preferance of Urdu over Telugu and Kannada . But they are certanly not as anti India as Kashmiri Muslims as a result of whose actions there has been proxy military rule from Delhi. There is nothing remotely comparable in Hyderabd or Bhatkal. Where are you getting all this?
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Delete1. I doubt very much Zionist Israelis were mocking HIndus for their pro Israel sentiments. What is likely is that leftist pro Arab Israelis or American Jews got together with Muslims to broadcast their wokeness
2. Those ex Muslims were likely athiests and agnostics and didnt wish to associate with any religious fanatics who dislike Islam whether Hindu, Jewish and what have you and hence their response. They would likely have done the same with any other religion. This was a test from their POV to show that religious extremists of any religion are the same and Hindutvadis being who they are failed the test.
In either case, no contempt specifically targetting Hindutvadis was involved. SOrry to disapoint you.
Delete@ysv "Heck they were instrumental in ensuring that Sikhs remain "Aryan" Punjabi and related groups and promoted extreme genetic selections to create healthy children."
Could you explain it, I did not get it."
The British were instrumental in ensuring that Sikhism remain mostly a Punjabi racket. And they even so far as to arrange matches between healthies specimens so as to ensure strong offspring- Spartan sytle. Though whether they participated in infanticide of weak children is not known though it would not surprise me at all.
"Were Lingayats that dominant in Andhra? I thought they were only in Karnataka. Even today Lingayats have good influence in Karnataka politics."
YEs they were quite influential in the 12the century occupying posts of ministers, generals, administrators etc. They went even as far as to assasinate a Chalukya king I think because he wasnt suffieciently benevolent to them.
The rise of Kakatiyas saw a decline in the fortunes in AP but were resurrected under Vijayanagar.
The late SPB was a Veerashaiva Lingayat who was buried rather than cremated in a seated position.
"Are Punjabis genetically different from other North Indians?"
Tim Drake can address the genetic aspect but yes, all you have to do is look at them and compare them not just to a person from Easter UP(Western UP and HImachal have related ethnic groups) but even neighboring Haryana. It is clear that they have more a West and Central Asian component. Though to me these days Sindhis look far more different than Punjabis who have gotten more "Indianized" for lack of a better term over the years.
Before 2020, the Chinese were known as the Kung Fu masters.
ReplyDeleteAfter 2020, the Chinese are known as the Kung Flu masters.
India has purchased swarm drones as a response to the Chinese threat. Good news but still nowhere close to meeting the Chinese challenge. China will not fight on land, air and water where India has a chance at parity, they will fight cyber, EM and space wars where India has no answer.
It is time for India to focus on electromagnetic warfare, space warfare and anti-submarine warfare.
There is no time left. The Kung Flu masters are going to war in 2023.
Delete"Before 2020, the Chinese were known as the Kung Fu masters.
After 2020, the Chinese are known as the Kung Flu masters."
How did you take to craft that? Either way , back to the drawing board!
"It is time for India to focus on electromagnetic warfare, space warfare and anti-submarine warfare."
And...where is the money to pay for all that and the infrastructure to build before 2023????
I apologize for the unholy length of delay.
DeleteI mean, India can setup a basic line of defense on the EM, cyber, anti-submarine and space war fronts. Even space warfare is out of question but the rest is, on a very rudimentary/primitive/basic level, possible. What is needed is political will.
There is no time left to lose. A war with China may not be in 2023 but 2024 but it will definitely take place by 2025. It is almost inevitable.
The prime focus right now should be on Artificial Intelligence, Machine Learning/Deep Learning, Neural Networks and above all, creativity. The biggest threat to India is not terrorism but the PLA.
DeleteSteve Wozniak, the genius behind Apple, recently remarked that Indians were very hardworking but lacked creativity. That was a reality check for India.
Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
The reason I am bringing the Chinese threat to your attention a bit too often is because I believe you have a vast scope of knowledge about history, war logistics, etc., and could give us valuable insights on China which we might miss. As is, there is not much I know about that country. You definitely know better.
DeleteAs for the Kung Flu masters comment, well I borrowed it from Donald Trump and added my own ingredients to it. He remarked that the "pandemic" could also be called Kung Flu. So I decided to borrow it.
@YSV:
ReplyDeleteDo you know about Kodavas. Came across lot of conflicting sources about them. Some crazy blogs do even go to the extent of claiming to be Yazidis. I don't understand this fetish of of associating with outside groups.
Kodavas being a unique community who did away with priest and have their own religion involving veneration of Kaveri and ancestor worship seem to have more common with neighboring Tuluvas and Nair than any Yazidis , Greeks, Scythians and what have you.
DeleteTheir unique dress may owe some Middle East influence as do some customs such as their folk songs. I visited Kodagu almost 10 years ago and listened to one of their war ballads, it sounded like something from Oman or other parts of GCC. Keep in mind the West coast of Karnatak was bombarded with Middle Eastern immigrants(including proto Dravidians) for over 3000 years. It is possible that Kodavas imbibed these influences or they are a leftover of Dravidian customs. It is hard to tell. HOwever ultimately it is the religious practices and language that decide the origins of a group (Saurashtra and Konkani still maintain their language after nearly 500 and 2000 year presence in southern India). Also Kodagu is considered a much older language than Tulu or Tamil. If a warrior migrant community isolated in the mountains will have a choice to either maintain their language or choose a native tongue, it does not make sense that they would choose one which is marginal but speak their original tongue. Just as Yemenis in Hyderabad still speak Arabic for instance.
TLDR: Kodavas may have some Mideast influeces but seem to be of native origin ,
A caveat: of course people pick up different languages due to various factors. What I meant in this context was that there is no reason for a foregn community this isolated not to maintain its original language whether Greek, Turkic, Scythic, Kurd or whatever fancy origins ascribed to Kodavas.
DeleteBTW Kodavas themselves have a huge superiority complex with regard to rest of south Indians or even Indians in particular similar to Sikhs and Rajputs. It is not immediately evident as they are not very visible and vocal compared to the former.
My Malayalee friends told me that Mallu Muslims had to be careful when driving through Kodagu not to reveal their religion as occasionally a vigilante patrol would stop the vehicle and enquire of them. And they would promptly kill the passengers in case of being Muslim. The police did not bother investigating. This was until the 1990s after which these incidents ceased to occur
"And they would promptly kill the passengers in case of being Muslim"---why would they. Are there any historical clashes between them?
DeleteI came across Kodava traditional dance and people were praising them for their traditions and dance. To be honest it did not look different from any other tribal folk dance, only that it had the right kind of people (fair skinned) doing it. Some even went forward to say to protect their genes.
@ Siva
DeleteI dont know why exactly. I think they harboured grudges since the days of Tipu Sultan. Anyway they dont seem to do it anymore
Perhaps many tribal songs irrespective of community sound like same due to the rythmic chanting and basic persucssion used. Native American tribal dance and songs also remind me of Indian and Arabic tribal music.
The difference between tribe and caste generally has to do with power and Sanskritization.
Kakatiyas and possibly Satavahanas were from very humble ,possibly tribal origins.
Kakatiyas did not bother wit solar and lunar geneology claims but Satavahanas claimed Brahmin origin
Later the Boya tribals also became Brahmins.
I hope "brahmana of Andhra race" is paying attention.
"Later the Boya tribals also became Brahmins"-- Source please would like to read more.
Delete"brahmana of Andhra race" that guy has a spectacular ability to misread what you write.
My dear friend, the Satavahana dynasty was of pure Brahmin origin and were not dissimilar to the Sungas. Both of them were employed in the Mauryan court and broke free when Pushyamitra assasinated the last Mauyran emperor.
DeleteThe "Boyas became Brahmans" thing is repeated ad-nauseum by Cynthia Talbot and a few other deracinated Indians. This probably was a one off occurrence and very limited in nature.
If you look and feel like you might have a Boya male ancestor, then I'm happy to provide leaf skirts for you to wear and dance around.
I'll send one for each of your lackeys too
Dont know why YSV desparately wants to be of tribal origin.
DeleteMaybe they have bigger forearms and calves?
Your stupdity does not cease to amaze. I noticed that you stopped talking about swimming in white women. Smart move.
DeleteSooner you embrace reality the better for you.
I forget you have your super Aryan looks which makes you down upon tribals. Tribals have a better record of resisting invaders than your superior Aryan Punjabi brothers for instance.
You are borderline retarded so you trying to read Talbot or any other historian wont do any better than a monkey defecating on a book on Nietzsche. It is good to severely restrict your intellectual horizons so as to not cause any further embarassment to yourself.
Satavahana is claimed to be of Brahmin origin as are Pallavas and Kadambas. But try and apply common sense as to why of Brahmin kingdoms (which is an oxymoron ) came to the fore in the south. THe south was outside the varna system and more egalitarian. Each caste could do pretty much what it wanted. So a tribal kingdom thought , hey if Brahmins are greater than Kshatriyas Ill just go with Brhamins,I can conduct yagnas and fight at the same time. It is not as far fetched as youthink
BTW I include much of Maharashtra in this southern scheme of varna.
Anyway all this is lost on your low IQ.
It is always amusing to that so called alpha males who lurk around hurling impotent abuse are told get fucked, keep coming back. Its almost as if you are addicted to rejection and humiliation. Suddenly I see the reality of your romantic escapades.
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To be honest with no offence intended against Brahmins, most of them don't look warrior material. It is pretty hard to believe they ruled. I am not going to rule out the possibility that some of them serving in military and administration, but most of them would have been others.
DeleteBrahmins are not supposed to have rajasic tendencies of passion,violence, meat eating etc. Hence considered unsuitable for rule. I suppose in all communities you have outliers hence some Brahmins such as Generals KV Krishna Rao and Sudarrajan Krishnamurthy could make the cut.
DeleteIn the past , Brahmins served as generals though it is not know if this was a combat capacity but more of a strategist.
HOwever in case of war all of the kings staff had to serve if needed irrespective of caste, in the Chalukya Pallava wars, a Kannada poet who probably a Brahmin(I forget his name) was advised to drop the quill and pick up a sword. Though this was a rather egalitarian culture hence other rougher types could become Brahmins. Note there was no Brahmin pope to control who could become Brahmin.
IN AP Niyogis were warriors but Vaidiks and others stuck to traditional pursuits. Furthemore while Brahmins could become warriors on occasion, generally a self conscious Brahmin ruling a kingdom made a complete hash of it.
For the same reason we dont elect nerds and technocrats as leaders. They ran the show by proxy during the COVID pandemic-the sad results are there for all to see.
Re Boyas check out below. They shifted their gotra from Kalbava to Kaundinya
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Delete"It is pretty hard to believe they ruled. " --- lol, @Siva , then you must meet the dabang-type North indian brahmins, i am sure your mind will change :). Hell in the eastern part, as far as i know ,before 1857, the Purbaiyya army of East India company recruited members of only four castes - Brahmins, Bhumihars, Rajputs and Pathans.
DeleteIn fact, i will tell you something , this year on the eve of holi, that means on 29th March 2021, in northern bihar, 5 people(all of them were rajputs with one being former BSF jawan) were shot to death by armed assailants(most assailants and the mastermind were brahmins) over land dispute.
@tim drake: Welcome back after long time. I was aware of the dabang nature of North Indian Brahmins. Our discussion was in the context of Vidyaranya and other southern ones. Having said that, I don't see that their dabang nature in the north was of any use against the turkic/mughal dynasties. Correct me if I am wrong.
DeleteIt's only useful to subjugate the lower classes.
Brahmins were well represented in Muslim armies. The main commander of Mahmud Ghazni was Tilak who I think was a Brahmin from either Kashmir or Peshawar I forget. Lets not forget Malik Maqbul who was a converted Telugu Brahmin appointed to govern Punjab. And of course Dehashtha Murari Rao who plundered a temple of Vishnu to present the statue to the Golkonda sultan. Also Akkana and Madanna who ran the Golkonda sultanate. Not to mention Parasuram Bhat whose raid on Sringeri and Tipu Sultans recompensation of the same gave secularists many wet dreams.BRahmins like Krishna Rao,Purnaiah and Shyama Iyengar served happily in Tipus armed forces.
DeleteSo this notion that Brahmins are the armour of Hindu society has to be revised.
@YSV: I am quite aware of Purnaiah and I am intrigued by his personality. I read he was the one who kept the death of Hyder ali secret and sent a letter to Tipu to claim the throne secretly. He could have just went for some one from Wodeyar family.
Delete@Jahan Soz: I am Telugu from Andhra.
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Do these?
Indians puffing themselves up according to the differen shades of brown they are is too hilarious.
ReplyDeleteSee these Greek origin Kodavas and how white they are!
https://images.news18.com/ibnlive/uploads/2018/03/Kodagu-.jpg
lol, welcome back.
DeleteI never said that I believed they were of Greek or foreign origin. Please learn how to read.
DeleteI never said you did either, autist.
DeleteYou are borderline retarded and incoherent. What you want to say and what you wish to say are two different things.
DeleteDont bother responding. You will simply be deleted. Or...is your social life so pathetic that this is your desperate attempt at any human contact?
"See these Greek origin Kodavas and how white they are!" --- @Jahan Soz, afaik, many greeks have olive or light brown complexion and many of them don't look anything like your average northern european. EVEN IF Kodavas were of greek origins and let's say they hypothetically migrated some 2000 years ago, mixing with the local people would have diluted their original genepool and created 'mixed gene people'.We have anglo-indians who look like an average north-western induan. Hell,from the recent genetic studies, we know that even the super endogamous parsis haven't remained pure and it seems they have mixed with indian women(since their mtDNA haplogroups are mostly indian) at the beginning.
Delete" afaik, many greeks have olive or light brown complexion and many of them don't look anything like your average northern european."
DeleteGreeks are actually the most Northern European looking people in Southern Europe. Thats because many Slavic and to a lesser extent Germanic people migrated there and got Hellenized. Northern Greece bordering Macedonia like Northern Italy has a lot full of blonde and blue eyed people. Southern Greece has a lot more fairer people than Southern Italy . Spain and Portugal are almost entirely brunette with an occasional blonde here and there.
Southern France is heavily Arab.
Even so I can tell a Northern European from a fair Italian or Greek . The facial structure is rather different.
Of course even the darker Greeks are fair compared to the average Indian unless they are from Kashmir or other north western states.
People make a really big deal of Kodava looks. They dont look all that different from neighboring Tuluvas or Nairs. They just more regal and healthier due to their military heritage and lifestyle.
Also the part about Sikhs having large forearms and calves was too funny!
ReplyDeleteYSV, please post more regularly.
I use this blog for comic relief from time to time when my studies get stressful.
Hello "brahmana of Andhra race. Nice of you to take time off from your legions of female(?) fans to offer your worthless input.
DeleteI hope your attempt at studies are more successful than you convincing anyone here of awesomeness.
I am not interested in debating some lying,vile little shit stain supremacist like yourself. People like you are ridden with inferiority complexes and hence wish to create some grand narrative that all Brahmins were warriors and badasses in the past. If a Brahmins founds a kingdom- HE CEASES TO BE BRAHMIN! That is not what they are supposed to do.
ReplyDeleteTribal or Shudra origin of Southern or Maharashtra Brahmin kingdoms is the most likely scenario as the caste system did not exist and they could adopt whatever high caste they did for sake of legitimacy.
Re Sayana and Vidyaranya . I did mention that royal Brahmin figures were supposed to participate in war. Are you this retarded?
Those who mock tribals really dont have a clue as their abilities in war. And lol on Vijay Sethupathi, wtf are you even trying to say you idiot>
Only an uber dork writes such gibberish.
I have deleted your trash and if you post again, it will be deleted again. So waste your time at your own peril.
Are you triggered cause I shat all over your little Boya loving shitstain blog?
ReplyDeleteFuck back to your paper pushing, nothing little exsitence in Thupai, you whiny fuck.
Anyone with half a brain can see that you have homoerotic fixation on Punjabis and constantly bitch and whine about how the British sucked Punjabi cock. I bet you wish it could have been doign the sucking instead . Add Boyas to the list of ethnic groups you want to orally service too LOL
You got your ass kicked in a fair debate, and like a whiny 5 year old that loses a game of chess and topples the entire board, deleted my posts. Everyone can see who the real bitch, is you ugly, shitstain midget fuck.
Sayana and Vidyaranya were Vaidik "non warrior" Brahmans, by your own admission.
ReplyDeleteThey weren't Niyogis.
So what the fuck were they doing on the battlefield, boy?
List of groups you want to orally service : Sikhs, Punjabi Moslems, Shudras, Boyas... it goes on and on!!
ReplyDeletehahahha. You are an angry man. I was just annoyed with your crap but you are dripping with rage. hahahaha. Your incoherence has reached its height. Your lunatic ramblings are here for all to see.
ReplyDeleteActually I leave these posts as exhibit A to Z-open and shut case against you. Tax payers spared court expenses.
Ill delete any subsequent ones.
Also I find it amazing that even though I told this incredibly weird individual Jahan Soz who dripping with all sorts of complexes that his posts will be deleted, goes ahead and posts then whines about being deleted. That is the behavior o a petulant immature and silly child,not an adult in control of his faculties.
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ReplyDeleteA reminder to others who wish to post comments, I dont mind any one the following
ReplyDelete1. Abusing me
2. Spewing nonsense
3. Gaslighting/lying
I tolerate one or maximum two of the above (1 and 2).(Vadakayil supporters come under this category and I usually let them post unless they are deranged like Amith Mishra) But never ever 3. There is no point in arguing with people who constantly shift goal posts and accuse you of saying something you did not. The last example of this was Milin Patel
Vadakail himself is a champion gaslighter but his supporters are not. Generally all they are reduced to saying in the end when they have recourse to their arguments (such as Pratik when I asked if Mughals were not deshbhkats and Marathas were ISIS type Jews since captain declared them) is that the captain is avery learned man so we should ask no question and just accept his pronouncements.
That is cult level programming.
Anyhow. I have zero tolerance for these types.
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ReplyDeleteSo Jahan Soz, the Dan Bilzerian of the comments section, is back!
ReplyDeleteToo bad I missed out on all the action over here. Never mind, there is always a next time!
Happy Mahashivratri to all of you.
ReplyDeleteMahashivaratri to all.Om namah shivaya
ReplyDelete@Enviro-Metal
ReplyDeleteBasically, YSV got his ass kicked in a debate, began frothing at the mouth and deleted my excellent posts.
Looks like my exposing his latent homosexual tendencies really sent him over the rail.
I've also noticed this YSV girl has a messiah complex where their views about things are beyond any debate or question (to them at least). Its too funny, which is why I can't stop posting.
Welcome back, Dan Bilzerian!
DeleteThere is good reason to believe you are reading Rao all wrong. If his views were beyond debate, he would have banned you ages ago. That he still allows you to post disproves this assertion of yours. I speak from personal experience. I trashed his blog years ago. But I apologized and made up and now I have no trouble except disagreements.
And no, he has no messiah complex. Sure he defends his arguments and assertions much better than most other people even if I feel he is wrong but that is pretty much it.
As for you, from what I could see, you throw in a few points here and there and mostly space it out with ad-hominem attacks and personal insults. I do not think that is a fair debate in any manner.
You are free to think what you will of this.
Delete"I've also noticed this YSV girl has a messiah complex where their views about things are beyond any debate or question (to them at least). Its too funny, which is why I can't stop posting."
Ive said many things which were erroneous and was corrected by my commentators. Ego is a stumbling block to learning. For instance you can see a post I made about Trump that is incredibly critical. Its later on I revised my views . If I was this Ghazni/Ghori gaylover JahanSoz then I would have taken it down but no. I prefer to leave it up as I dont wish to gaslight people into believing that I always held my current views.
Anyway you were the one desperately trying to convince everyone here (to their amusement) that you are hot hunky stuff who "smells damn good"( I laughing for weeks at that line, thank you).
A guy with masters degree in computer science who is Johnny Depp reborn . Ok bro, whatever you say.hahahaha
Ive been reading upon the tribal dynasties of Pallavas ,Kadambas and Satavahanas . I will have something up for them soon.
So JahanSoz have you hugged a cow today and drank its urine . Not for religous reason- just your fetish
Hey JahanSoz, is this you?
https://www.daily-sun.com/post/338539/Indian-man-accused-of-raping-cow-claims-it-is-reincarnation-of-his-dead-wife
man of Indian origin recently arrested for sexually molesting a cow on a Texan ranch claims the animal is, in fact, the reincarnation of his deceased wife.
Rajiv Chowdhury, 34, was intercepted this week by Atascosa County police after ranch owner Ted Bukowski called police after he found the half-naked man sexually assaulting one of his cows.
Bukowski first believed his cattle were being harassed by coyotes until he discovered it was, in fact, a man that was the source of all the disturbance.
“He asked me not to shoot. He told me he wouldn’t do it again if I didn’t call the police” Bukowski, 67, told reporters.
“I don’t know what those Hindus preach at church, but that sure sounds to me like the church of the Devil,” he added, laughing.
Professor of Religious studies at the University of Houston, Janet Fitzgerald, believes Rajiv Chowdhury’s sexual assault upon the cow must be understood in the specific cultural and religious context of Hinduism.
“The man lost his wife last year and possibly was honest when he said he believed the animal was the reincarnation of his dead wife,” she told local reporters.
“In Hinduism, sex with animals is not an uncommon theme and many of their deities share half-human, half-animal features,” she explained.
..........goddamn as if send bobs and vagene type JahanSoz individuals werent bad enough for our community. This guy takes it a step further with the cow fetish.
Please jahansoz ,for the sake of good name of our community repatriate back to India. You can do this dumbass shit back in agrahams and probably get your buddies to partake in it as well,
Thats sooooo funny YSV.
DeleteYou first accuse me of being Pakistani, now you accuse me of having sex with a cow, which is an insult to Hindu Indians?
I think I really did send you off the rails by pointing out your homoeroticism when you began salivating over Punjabi Muslim forearms and calves. Coupled with the searing heat of Thupai and the realization that you are naught but a constipated little virgin, it looks like you are having a mid life meltdown. I'm so sorry YSV, I know it must be hard for you.
What's funny is the fact that you post a nonsensical article from the Sun, a UK newspaper known for shitting on India and Indians all the time, and you do this as the owner of this very blog that "celebrates Vedic Hinduism, the greatest religion on earth". Just FYI, It is HIGHLY unlikely that some Indian named "Ravi Chowdary" lives in rural Texas, owns a farm and shags the cows there. I guess you want to insult me so badly, you insult yourself, your father, your people and your religion!
You seriously have some kind of mental issues. I guess you wish you were White, Iranian or Punjabi, but wince at the fact that all these people look down on South Indians (at least in your own mind). I read on another blog somewhere you were all proud about how your sister married some White guy in the US, while you shit on Indian men in this blog all the time.
You are a mentally damaged, emasculated little faggot who is probably like 5'5, 5'6 140 lbs and gets wet at the thought of some Pinkoid humping his sister, while he himself is forced to live his life as a virgin. I take shits that are more consequential than you, your Boyas, and your Pinkoid master, bitch.
@Enviro-Metal
DeleteWhich part of "he deleted my excellent posts" did you not get? Are you another retard like Prem Chand? LOL
ReplyDelete"Basically, YSV got his ass kicked in a debate, began frothing at the mouth and deleted my excellent posts.
Looks like my exposing his latent homosexual tendencies really sent him over the rail."
You got incredibly triggered when I stated that Boyas became Brahmins despite evidence existing for it.South Indian society was very fluid (with exception of Kerala perhaps) , there are many instances of other castes becoming Brahmins. Ramanuja himself created Brahmins out of a hodgepodge of castes. You can crow and wail all you want about your Aryan Brahmin purity but this is just a fact. Heck in SL Tamil areas, Vellalas perform Brahmin functions in ceremonies, Brahmins are a nobody there apart from temple upkeep hence should not be harmed in war. Prabhakarans family managed temples and one of the reasons for the genesis of LTTE was the SL Army killing a Brahmin at their temples. The reasoning was that if they kill something as harmless and impotent as a Brahmin, then the Sinhalas must be monsters indeed
Also I also stated that the exception to Brahmins not being warriors was only if they were associated with courts. And to counter this you started shrieking about Vidyaranya and his connection to Vijayanagar which is not exactly contradicting what I said.
honestly you have few screws lose due to your various complexes. I dont wish to indulge in mental illnesses of incredibly lonely individuals with delusions of being a casanova which is why I blocked you. You remind me actually of Ram Hanuman erotic fiction enthusiast Milin Patel more than anyone else-he created an alter ego weeping about being ejected from this blog as he was lonely and had nowhere to turn.
LOL aren't you a Brahmin yourself? Its so funny when you call your own caste as "harmless and impotent", IDK maybe some kind of Freudian slip or something?
DeleteIts funny, I think your real probem (and many other Indian unkills) is that you project your emasculation onto your race, caste or nationality. You are a worthless faggot because you are a worthless faggot, not because all Indian men are worthless faggot. Get it right, son.
Here's another headline for the Sun :
"Indian man ousted as a homosexual on his blog, tries to insult a poster but ends up insulting his own kind"
I'm sure the Sun would be willing for more fake articles, and they usually hire worthless little bitches like you to write them. Go on. Go lick Pinkoid shit like you are dying to, son.
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Whoa! cue black guys running around howling meme!what a zinger. That showed me hahaha
Goddamn Jahansoz, even a grade schooler would yawn at your comebacks
Yup it looks like a fake story. But it is certainly instructive. Many cow fetishists like yourself have some of Oedipal complexes attached to it.
LOL aren't you a Brahmin yourself? Its so funny when you call your own caste as "harmless and impotent", IDK maybe some kind of Freudian slip or something?"
They were considered this in SL. I realize you are limp dicked vegan who has delusions of being bad ass beserker- "I am here to chew upma and kick ass and Im all out of upma"
But sooner you recognize the reality the better.
Btw, "harmless" General Sundarji presided over the literal genocide of your LTTE. LOL
ReplyDeleteThey couldn't even tell the mud apart from Tamil bodies by the time the war was over.
Quit hiding behind the skirts of some defunct terrorist organization, you cockless faggot.
WTF lol. Sundarji had nothing to do with LTTE getting defeated. Sundarji was in charge of operation Bluestar which was a fiasco. This doesnt take away from his other achievements.I already mentioned Sundarji and KV Krishna Rao as exceptions. Like the dumbass that you are you dont even realize how stupid you sound when you reply with such statements
DeleteSinhalas whatever their vairous flaws handled the LTTE on their own with great difficulty. The Indian Army OTOH got trashed in SL.
"They couldn't even tell the mud apart from Tamil bodies by the time the war was over."
Ok Mr. Pure white skinned Aryan who is totally a hit with the ladies.Certainly not some limp wristed serial masturbator weeping in his beer as he sends his rent money to some white girls onlyfans page.
I will tell you something amusing and offputting I find about Brahmins,south Indian Brahmins in particular. I had a math tuition teacher in the 10th grade preparing for boards. She was a tamil Brahmin, her complexion was almost black. But she believed that she was a pure Aryan whose homeland was Germany. Being a bit of a smartass, I pointed that she wasnt fair skinned(in a polite way). She just retorted that she doesnt have thick lips.
This is the mentality we are dealing it. And I see this in you. You are beyond help.
"Quit hiding behind the skirts of some defunct terrorist organization, you cockless
faggot."
If they are defunct in the real world and the world of ideas(no calls for any Tamil militancy or seperatism these days) ,how can I hide behind them? I just stating facts about Prabhakaran.
Please for your own sake, dont try and string random words together in an odd attempt to look smart
I suppose you consider your above gibberish to be "excellent posts". I totaly believe that as I believe you "smell damn good" hahahah
this is from Krishnaswamy Sundarrajan (Sundarji) wikipedia page
Delete"In 1987, the Indian government agreed to a Sri Lankan request and the Indian Peace Keeping Force was sent to Jaffna to disarm the LTTE. However, the Indian Army had no experience in unconventional jungle warfare and took heavy casualties. Among the few successes was the bombing of the LTTE controlled jetties by the Indian Navy Marine Commandos (MARCOS) then known as the Indian Navy Special Commando Force. The IPKF force was withdrawn in 1990."
THe LTTE following this utter failure by Indian suvarna generals became the worlds deadliest and effective insurgent organization. SO much so that they managed to off Rajiv Gandhi himself.
"Operation is successful-patient is dead" .This is JahanSoz idea of victory. Hahahahaha
Pure Aryan got defeated by Dravidian. This is an international conspiracy.
Delete@YSV_RAO
DeleteFucking dumbass Raoji bitch is FROTHING. LOL I dont understand your fetish for the LTTE. Are you saying that because LTTE was a terrorist organization, that makes YOU some kind of tough guy?? I'm confused. You mention Tamil Brahmins, LTTE and all irrelevant things like an emasculated, Sudra lackey when confronted by the simple fact that the Satavahans were Brahmin. How the hell do you fit all those cocks in your mouth, boy? Training from your mother? And I find it hilarious that you think mocking somee Thenkalai Sudran Tam"brahm" is "insulting" to me. Raojis like Narasimha Rao(still a great man) are 100 % Australoid. You probably want to be a Boya badly because you look in the mirror and see a leaf-skirt wearing Australoid "Brahmin" everyday, causing you to seethe at "real" South Indian Brahmins. Ask your sister to divorce the Pinkoid and send her here, I'll ethnically cleanse your family by giving her some sons. This dynamic was seen even among Tambrahms where Thenkalai Sudrans would send their women to Vadakalai Brahmins house.
Let me set things straight for you and your Tamil lackey here. The LTTE only existed because of "suvarna Hindu" generals and politicans. Who do you think trained and armed them? Are you aware of the fact that it was the Indian army that set up training camps all over TN to train them? And what do you think when the "suvarna Hindu" generals and politicians decided to give LTTE the finger? The IPKF debacle didn't make any difference in the long term. Without "suvarna Hindu" support, it was just a matter of tiem before Sinhala victory and genocide of the Tamils.
It was Sunderji who first flipped LTTE off and refused to meet with Prabhakaran. I'll find the exact article and post it here. The reasosn for him doing this are still unknown. The result was this :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tamil_Genocide_by_Sri_Lanka
Also, Krishnaswami Sundarji and KV Krishna Rao are not the only Brahmins who have ever served in the armed forces LMAO. Tambrahms and other South Indian Brahmins are well represented at the officer ranks , and always have been. I personally know a Tambrahm family who served as an NSG commando and bodyguard to very senior level politicians. I also know Tamil Intelligence officers who served in Sri Lanka, and my facts are 100% correct. Wikipedia isn't everything.
And also that bullshit about some Tam Brahm saying " I don't have thick lips" is obviously a lie.
DeleteGrown men make up stories only when they have micro penises and haven't evolved adult level rationality and think they can get away with it. No one in India says "I'm not black because I don't have thick lips" because they don't see race the way Americans do.
Lying,little, Raoji.. .tsk tsk tsk.
Its hilarious that you post fake articles from the Sun that insult your own religion, when trying to insult a supposed Paki like me with a name like Jahan Soz.
What an autist faggot. Liek I said, send your sister.
"I am here to chew upma and kick ass and Im all out of upma"
DeleteStop with the lame jokes or I'll ask your Ay-rab master in camel jockey land to give you a caning for being an impudent little wench.
Since you are a weirdo shut in, I understand you dont often talk to people and realize the various idiosyncracies and complexes they have.
DeleteLook at various Brahmin forums and obsession with skin color and nose shapes etc and you will realize that youlive in an alternate reality
The remaning part of your post incoherent gibberish masquerading as macho bluster.
"Fucking dumbass Raoji bitch is FROTHING. LOL I dont understand your fetish for the LTTE. Are you saying that because LTTE was a terrorist organization, that makes YOU some kind of tough guy?? I'm confused. You mention Tamil Brahmins, LTTE and all irrelevant things like an emasculated, Sudra lackey when confronted by the simple fact that the Satavahans were Brahmin. How the hell do you fit all those cocks in your mouth, boy? Training from your mother? And I find it hilarious that you think mocking somee Thenkalai Sudran Tam"brahm" is "insulting" to me. Raojis like Narasimha Rao(still a great man) are 100 % Australoid. You probably want to be a Boya ba.....
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This entire post is one giant cope for being so obviously wrong on Sundarji and LTTE. It is just pitiful
On one hand I blame myself. My individuality and eccentricity attract many weirdos. And I indulge them. Time to do some quality control.
"Look at various Brahmin forums and obsession with skin color and nose shapes etc and you will realize that youlive in an alternate reality"
Delete@YSV could you recommend some of these forums. I would like to have good laugh.
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Delete"Before laughing at"evil Aryan" Brahmins, go civilize your scumbag, semi literate, shitstain Dravidian Sudran kith and kin, you fucking pot bellied, smelly, Telugu faggot."
DeleteThis comment here about this slimy impotent onlyfans addict gloated about being a Telugu warlord. He is so emotionally triggered that he destroys his own fake narrative.
Anyway Im done with him.
"Also, Krishnaswami Sundarji and KV Krishna Rao are not the only Brahmins who have ever served in the armed forces LMAO" --- Well,in support of Jehan Soz for once, i will say that he's right. Brahmins especially north indian brahmins are heavily represented in the indian army. As i already said in a post below, out of 27 indian army chiefs/generals since independence, 9 have been brahmins ( 2 marathi brahmins, 2 tamil brahmins, 1 kumaoni brahmin, 1 bengali brahmin , 1 kashmiri pundit, 1 dogra brahmin and 1 telugu brahmin). Mind you i only wrote about the generals not the officers below them.
DeleteI dont believe you would find too many Brahmins in positions apart from the elite level of the armed forces. This is just a continuation of the ancient trend I mentioned. A general is more a strategist and politician than a warrior. He may often have combat experience but not neccesarily.
Delete@tim drake
DeleteYou seem actually rather knowledgable, unlike the other scum on this blog.
Good on you m8.
@Siva
ReplyDeleteYour land has been under foreign rule since the Turks took Madurai ~ 1300.
Tamils have literally never been in power in their own land for some 700 years.
The greatest irony here is that a Telugu speaking Brahmin (like me) called Gopanna conquered the Turks in Madurai and restored the temple of Srirangam. LMAO. Tamil Sudras all ran off to the jungles and stayed there ever since.
"Gopanna - the brahman chieftain- cut down, with his bare hands, the Muslim soldiers"
https://books.google.com/books?id=N6teBA7bmFwC&pg=PA72&dq=Gopanna+cut+down+with+his+bare+hands&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjvy47zprnvAhVLK80KHQFcD6wQ6AEwAHoECAYQAg#v=onepage&q=Gopanna%20cut%20down%20with%20his%20bare%20hands&f=false
Some Raoji on the internet sucking Tamil Sudr cock and undergoing meltdowns doena't change a damn thing boyo.
Siva is Telugu , not Tamil I believe.
ReplyDeleteAnd Telugus have not been in power in their own lands since Talikota. People rise and fall all the time. Whats your point?
As for Tamil Shudras, this is their record.
https://books.google.ae/books?id=eAEyAmYRNNQC&pg=PA45&dq=%22just+fifty+Kallar+held+in+check+10,000+of+a+hostile+army%22&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22just%20fifty%20Kallar%20held%20in%20check%2010%2C000%20of%20a%20hostile%20army%22&f=false
50 Kallars scattered 10000 Muslim horsemen . In retaliation the Muslims tried to plunder some villages but they had to flee for their lives leaving hundreds of their dead behind.
Vijayanagar spent roughly the same amount of resources holding TN as it did fighting the Bahmanis.
In Southern India power was rather decentralized until the British. THe Mulims whether Golkondas or Nawab of Arcot had no control over the country side. The Nawab of Arcot was so terrified of the Maravars and Kallars that they outsourced tax collection to the British. We know what happened in due course
I have made my points and entertained this clown who keeps shifting goalposts and spewing nonsense(Sundarji destroyed LTTE, Telugu supremacist triumphalism even as Telugus themselves were conquered) .
ReplyDeleteThere is no value whatsoever in his posts . As is expect of degenerates who are lonely and desperate for attention.
So JahanSoz, your "excellent posts" will be deleted. So dont bother. Regards
I get the feeling that this JahanSoz fellow is a Paki impostor from historum who earlier came here shilling on behalf of Rajputs and desperately tried to get me to disparage Marathas as an incompetent military force. Note in that avatar he tried love bombing by praising Telugus to the skies to get me to lower my guard. I have my issues with the narrative of the Marathas being saviors of Hinduism but they were certainly a solid fighting force though they lacked the organizational and logistical abilities to form a large ,regular army as we saw in Panipat.
ReplyDeleteNow as a "brahmana of the Andhra race" , he posted pro Telugu triumphalism but due to my considerable pressure and needling , he dropped the pretense and started abusing Telugu people.
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ReplyDeleteThis mentally deficient simp with anger issues is talking out of his ass as usual. However "his excellent posts" have no place here. He should go weep and wail about his loneliness in some other blog.
ReplyDelete@YSV
DeleteYou should test the Telugu of MR."Proud Andhra Race".
damn, I never thought of that. Certainly I would stuff that would not be google translate friendly such as the dialogues of Jandhyala where the characters lobby insults
Delete"needi varadhalo neelu amakunni moham" (you have the type of face that sells water during a flood"
"needi aeroplane lo bataanilu amakunni moham" (yours is the face that sells bataani on an aeroplane"
anyway dont undersestimate these Pakis . There was this Paki chick who I abused in yahoo groups nearly 10 years ago for her nonsensical talks on India and Kashmir. She assumed a Tibetan identity to abuse Indians specifically me and then created a Telugu avatar trying to befriend me and find out more info by private chat. I managed in the end to keep the Paki bashing constant and her narrative fell apart and she exposed herself. just like this character.
These people are their weird tricks I tell you. Honestly if (in the likely event) he is a Pakistani i still have more respect for him than if he is actually Telugu. Such self loathing and contempt for his community is utterly revolting.
@YSV:
DeleteLook at this account.
https://twitter.com/EurasianBrahman
LOL
Wow these people. I dont know what their deal is. I just think these are autists who dont know any better. Ive been seeing this Jai Parashuram stuff a lot over the last couple of months.
Delete"Lets practice Virtual untouchability" and then these same people plead for unity and nationalism when shit hits the fan.
Hey guys, been a long time. I have lot of questions to ask and lot to write but little time so will comment over the next days.
DeleteWill start with the deal of these "Eurasian brahmin/parshuram" type guys. So, dear @YSV, since you live in america , you might not be aware of this but lot of small time dalits/bahujan leaders have been calling brahmins and north indian savarnas in general as 'Eurasians' . This is also the case online where even some big time dalit leaders have called brahmins/savarnas as Aryan invaders. I believe such online accounts are reactions to such kind of branding.
"Ive been seeing this Jai Parashuram stuff a lot over the last couple of months. " --- Imo, The Jai parsuram thing has always been there especially among the UP, bihar and haryanvi brahmins afaik.Cow belt brahmins have always had heavy presence in military even since the east india company days so they always valued valour and Parshurama is a symbol of that valour. And @Siva, just to tell you regarding brahmins presence in military especially the top echelons , out of 27 indian army chiefs since independence, around 9 Indian Army Chiefs have been brahmins including 1 telugu brahmin K.Venkata Krishna Rao.
""Lets practice Virtual untouchability" and then these same people plead for unity and nationalism when shit hits the fan"
Delete---- @YSV, as i already wrote in a post above that such kind of online accounts are reactionary. I think a lot of young middle class savarnas don't like the idea of them losing out because of reservation, thousands of crores of 'gibs' given to SCs/STs in the form of massive subsidies of all kinds while they pay twice the fees and blatant misuse of SC/ST atrocities act. Many of them don't like the idea of democracy from what i have observed since according to them indian democracy at the present is so DYSGENIC (i agree with dysgenic thing though).
@tim drake: Will agree with the misuse of SC/ST atrocities act. But to say that reservations and other subsidies as 'gibs' is being foolish from their side. I guess most of these guys have not gone outside of their gated community like YSV said in one article. "Most" of the SC/ST guys these guys are seeing would have been first generation in their families to get educated (again there will be exceptions)
Delete@tim drake: It's also funny to see that these guys are crying about misuse of SC/ST act, but even other castes have used and are still using political power in some or the other way (not just brahmins, I am speaking in general). World has come full circle I guess.
DeleteI know that these things should not be happening in a good society but lets face the reality.
Re Parasuram
DeleteI meant that in the last few months or so I saw this sort of Jai Parasuram thing becoming a trend online. This is a not so subtle indication of being for militant Brahmins. Many of these posters are against lower castes. But actually the Parasuram phenonomenon is not really lower caste but against a sect of Kshatriyas. Parasuram was eventually defeated by Haihayas of Central India particularly Kirtivirya Arjuna.
A lot of SC/STs actually look at Parasuram with reverance as he raised them to Brahmin and Kshatriyahood. The entire western coastal belt is filled with these.
Some Brahmin communities such as Bhumihars, Mohyals , Tyagis, Dehasthas, Vadama Iyer ,Niyogi and Iyengar had martial backgrounds and hence they signed up for service. However I dont what is the percentage of Brahmins in the military these days and how effective they are. Any ethnic/ sectarian performance evaluations in the military are verboten.
DeleteI used to be against reservations but I have modified my position after seeing its success in TN. They had some growing pains but it has lifted many communities. Though it cannot be viewed in isolation. Mid day meals provided gave a lot of impetus to poor families of lower caste background than simply college reservations- which is like throwing a baby in the ocean and expecting it to swim.
Delete@YSV:
Delete"Parasuram was eventually defeated by Haihayas of Central India particularly Kirtivirya Arjuna" -- I thought Parasuram was a mythical figure.
"Mid day meals provided gave a lot of impetus to poor families of lower caste background " --- Yes, such early care especially with respect to childhood nutrition are more important as we know that deficiency of key nutrients during pregnancy and first five years of a child stop the child from achieving full cognitive potential.
Delete"It's also funny to see that these guys are crying about misuse of SC/ST act, but even other castes have used and are still using political power in some or the other way" ---- @Siva, this is really a pathetic justification for some of the provisions of the act, i mean the person who files an FIR in SC/ST act receives some compensation from the government do that's basically an incentive for filing fake cases.
DeletePolitical power is generally used against a few people who are politically opposed while SC/ST is more pervasive.
Again i don't have any issues with the motive behind the act but with some of the provisions of the act.
"Parasuram was eventually defeated by Haihayas of Central India particularly Kirtivirya Arjuna. " ---- @ YSV, don't the puranic legends say the opposite that is, Kirtivirya Arjuna and his army was slained by Parshurama.
Delete"But to say that reservations and other subsidies as 'gibs' is being foolish from their side." ---
Delete@Siva, i think it's not the 'gibs' and subsidies to others that concern them but rather them being having to pay for it is what concerns them .
For example , post 2014(when a supposedly 'hindutvawadi' government came into power), fees of both IITs and NITs increased tremendously, total fees for doing a B.Tech course in IIT these days is similar to that in many private colleges. However, the burdern of this fees increase was totally put on the shoulders of General Category and OBC MALES as SCs, STs and physically handicapped students of all genders got a complete waiver in tuition fees and had to only pay hostels plus other fees.
Similarly, Most of the scholarships in this country are awarded solely on the basis of caste and religion. The problem here is NOT the money and help that disadvantaged sections are receiving but rather the disproportionate amount of it.
I certainly dont agree with this. IMO college fees for all categories should be reduced considerably. Its not right for SC/STs to pay less fees if they are already getting special consideration. People only have a limited reservoir of tolerance
DeleteKirtivirya Arjuna was "killed" by Parasuraram but he was revived by Sudarshana Chakra. This shows that he regained his kingdom and the killing was a metaphor for loss of power as is the case in many of these myths. Similar to Yadavas being "destroyed" by Gandhari's curse. What occurred is that they lost Kshatriya status and became weak and every Tom Dick and Harry such as Ahirs harassed Yadavas to extent of abducting Krishnas wives and even assuming the Yadava mantle themselves.
DeleteParasurama was unable to consolidate his gains in Kritiviryas region and had to retreat. Later Parasuram was defeated thoroughly by Rama.
Now in myths they seem to live hundreds of years but actually the customs established by one guru or sage when propagated by another takes up his name. So a guy who behaves like Parasuram is considered Parasuram himself.
@tim drake: Could you provide me the source where it says that they receive compensation for filing cases. As far as I know compensation is given only when proven that atrocity has been committed. The same compensation is not provided when victim is OC/OBC.
DeleteYes they can argue that SC/ST victim should be treated like any other victim. But, do they treat them as equal socially.
Regarding the fees in IIT's, I have already reiterated that most of them coming are from poor backgrounds so it is justified. Infact what they should be asking for is fee exemption similar to SC/ST for Economicaly Backward OC similar to EBC quota in some government jobs.
"Could you provide me the source where it says that they receive compensation for filing cases"
Delete--- @Siva, the compensation is paid in stages with 10%-25% of the compensation being given upon successful filing of FIR .
Here read this
http://jhalsa.org/Jhalsa_Pamphlets_Web/2017/scst_english.pdf
"As far as I know compensation is given only when proven that atrocity has been committed" --- your information is incomplete sire
" Ahirs harassed Yadavas to extent of abducting Krishnas wives and even assuming the Yadava mantle themselves. "
Delete---- @YSV, Wait, didn't you once say in your post that Ahirs were west asian invaders who plundered temples and ate beef !! I am assuming that their migration would have much recent (post Mauryan period) so how could they have abducted krishna's wives !!
Regarding 'true' yaduvanshis, there are some clans of rajputs in western india like jadon and jadeja rajputs who claim to true yaduvanshis . I often see jadon ans jadeja rajputs sparring with Ahirs,gops,gwalas on social media on this issue lol.
The ahir stuff is obviously added in the later versions. A lot of additions in the Epics often allude to contemporary events.Not meant to be taken literally but in symbolic terms.
Delete@tim drake: Thanks for the source. I stand corrected regarding SC/ST act.
Deletedafuk s wrong wid u y do u hate punjabis n pakistanis so much. but u bitch and whine when someone says something about the jews
ReplyDeletePunjabis via Pakistan and in India have done considerable damage to Indian culture and society while patting themselves on the back for being such noble ,generous ,heroic people who the Indian should be eternally grateful to
DeleteJews have no such record.
Hope this answers your question
@YSV:
ReplyDeleteWho are the village goddesses that we pray to. Are they remnants of IVC or Dravidian culture. If you see nowadays there is no annual sacrifice going on in these temples.
"Who are the village goddesses that we pray to. Are they remnants of IVC or Dravidian culture." --- Rather than remants of a 'particular culture' these village goddesses or gram devas/devis sem to be remnants of tribal, animistic totems which nearly all societies around the world had. These are even present in north india.
ReplyDeleteThe lack of sacrifice in temples is an aspect of "Sanskritization" which is happening in real time. I recently read an article where the local community laments that the rise of BJP in Tulunad has led to loss of traditions such as sacrificing chickens and spirit worship.
ReplyDeleteActually it is RSS which already started its activities in Karnataka back in the 1990s. RSS starts its activities and BJP eventually follows. And we all know the plight of BJP states. BIMARU (Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan and Uttar Pradesh) have RSS and BJP written all over them. Karnataka will go down the same road if they do not do something about it.
DeleteMeanwhile, one peculiar phenomenon I noted is that it is the Marwari Jain and Gujarati communities which make Hindutva all the more odious wherever they go. Kerala produces some of the most dedicated rank-and-file cadres for RSS but you do not see the kind of riots there which are commonplace in BIMARU states and now Karnataka. Even Tamilnadu with far less RSS penetration so far has witnessed 2 groveling riots: in Chennai in 1984 and in Coimbatore in 1997. Hindus and Muslims both lost out due to those riots but only one community gained massively and it is the Marwari Jain community - or the Gujarati community in Coimbatore's case. Wherever they establish themselves, RSS gains a lot of money and support and BJP eventually grows. It could very well be the same story in Tulu lands in Karnataka.
Maybe that was why Thoothukudi district in Tamilnadu has been burning for quite a few years. In 2018, 13 people were shot dead. In 2020, a father-son duo were brutalized by cops and it became huge news. I suspect Gujaratis and Marwaris want to establish themselves there and totally dominate the port city where domestic and international cargo enters India. They have already established themselves in Tirunelveli's town center with the help of their loyal slave dog named Nainar Nagendran where Hindus and Muslims used to live and flourish once.
Maybe Kerala being an economic basket case was not too enticing for the West Indian vampires and bloodsuckers. Hence BJP is not able to make as much inroads there despite their best attempts as compared to Karnataka and even Tamilnadu.
RSS was founded by Maharashtrians but it has been promoted and weaponized by Baniya types. They are the shock troops of this section of the population and the results are as you have shown.
DeleteKerala Hindus who are pro BJP are not really Hindutva in the religious or cultural sense but more socio economic . These are usally Nairs or even upwardly mobile Ezhavas who want to maintain or revive the status quo.
Otherwise Kerala hindus are unpalatable for Gujaratis as even pro BJP types consume beef openly. Also the Keralites particularly Christian and Muslims have a very strong mercantile tradition which comparatively lacking in Tamis apart from chettiars. Gujaratis probably took note of this and decided that discretion is the better part of valor.
On the cultural front BJPS collusion against Sabarimala and the Vamana Jayanthi fiasco have not exactly created lasting bonds with kerala Hindus.
Even Karnataka would not be open to RSS /BJP if it werent for relentless anti Tipu Sultan propaganda. Notice that the BJP areas are strongest not in Mysore ruled benevolently by Tipu Sultan but Tulunad and Coorg which saw severe depredations during his rule.
DeleteAlso a lot of Tuluvas are businessmen and entrepreneurs who may find the allegedly pro market BJP to their liking.
@YSV: What do you think of Andhra. Will RSS grow in future. I see it can grow due to Christian conversions.
DeleteAmong the Gujarati/Marwari's I hate Adani for some reason. Even Ambani seems fine. Adani's rise is very sketchy.
DeleteEntire BSE/NSE is controlled by Gujaratis and Marwaris.
Thank you for your prompt reply. I did not think of it this way.
DeleteThis will be helpful in our assessment of our enemies: The "shock troops" from the North of India. More the reason we need to go full algorithmic warfare on them like China LOL.
But one thing I have noticed in recent months is the increasing resentment towards Marwaris and North Indians among Tamils. It is partly due to the central govt filling all central govt positions in Tamil Nadu with North Indians and also the state govt opening up all state govt jobs to North Indians and only hiring them. There is also the sporadic (though not widespread...yet) calls for boycotting North Indians and their businesses as they grow rich through trade with Tamils but go on to fund RSS which hates everything Tamils stand for.
Even if I were to run my own business in India if ever, I would still support "socialist" DMK over "pro-market" BJP any goddamn day. At least DMK offers good infrastructure, safety, stability and other amenities which are thoroughly lacking in BJP states.
How did state govt jobs were opened to North Indians. I guess nativity comes in picture right?
DeleteAnd some jobs like Sub inspector have local language test right?
The fucker OPS scrapped the requirement to learn Tamil and several other nativity requirements which opened the floodgates enabling a massive migration of North Indians to that state. ADMK after Jayalalithaa was/is basically BJP and they will do as ordered by Nagpur.
DeleteI think posts such as DCP are often from other states to maintain neutrality and avoid bias in case of favoring certain castes etc.
DeleteBut state government should prioritize local recruits .
The growth of BJP was in Telangana rather than Andhra even as Andhra saw more Christian conversions. The BJPs recent gains in Telangana may be due to various simmering tensions in Hyderabad particuarly the old city which were a result of Owaisi riling them up.
DeleteI wouldnt be surprisd if Gouds and Yadavs comprise the base of BJP there
You are right. A lot of North Indians in Hyderabad are pro-BJP.
DeleteI was told that although BJP's election campaign in Tamilnadu was worse than a cropper due to the immense amount of resentment there, they still conducted charged campaigns in localities where North Indians, Marwaris and Gujaratis dominated. Although Tamils are a generally placid lot, I am worried that this could lead to unnecessary ethnic tensions. Already I am seeing calls to boycott North Indian and Marwari traders.
On the other hand, I cannot blame people for moving to another state for a better life. Everyone does that. What I do blame them for is attempting to overthrow everything that helped them thrive in the first place and replacing it with whatever turned their former homelands into hellholes.
Hey guys, it's Tim here :).
Delete@Siva, @Enviro-metal, to my naive mind, your feelings towards jains and gujarati bania communities reminds me of the feelings that many westerners have towards jews(another quite successful business community).
"replacing it with whatever turned their former homelands into hellholes." --- Gujarat is a hell hole now, lol !!
"I think posts such as DCP are often from other states to maintain neutrality and avoid bias in case of favoring certain castes etc." --- @YSV, true.
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Delete"Entire BSE/NSE is controlled by Gujaratis and Marwaris." --- Just like most CAs are from traditionally trading communities. It's pretty obvious that business savvy communities will be dominant in these places.
Delete"requirements which opened the floodgates enabling a massive migration of North Indians to that state." --- you sound like lakhs and lakhs of people from north are flooding tamil nadu but given central govt. jobs are so few and tamil nadu's state govt. has 69% reservation(non-tamils from any caste would be considered as General because in nearly every state, reservation quota is only given to backward, dalit, tribals castes listed in that state), i fail to understand how a massive population from north would be migrating to tamil nadu. I can understand blue collar workers/laborers migrating from bengal, bihar , east UP and assam though.
DeleteFound some data here --
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/migrants-in-tamil-nadu-case-of-much-ado-about-nothing/article29364682.ece
Quoting from the above --
" As per the census, 18.85 lakh migrants who were born outside Tamil Nadu were residing in the State. This is roughly 2.6% of the State’s total population.
While the popular perception is that a majority of the migrants are from north-eastern and northern States, Census 2011 data shows that 77.2% of the migrants from other States are from neighbouring Andhra Pradesh (which includes Telangana since the State was undivided in 2011), Kerala, Karnataka and Puducherry. "
@Piyush: There are lot of people in Andhra from different communities becoming CA's. It might be due to money factor. But stock exchanges are mostly dominated by them, I guess proximity plays some part. Since I do not see baniya communities from other areas too.
DeleteHere are articles which I believe will shed better light on this issue:
Delete1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/trichy/north-indians-get-preference-over-tamils-in-rly-jobs/articleshow/68365983.cms
2. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/north-indian-candidates-get-lions-share-of-railway-jobs-in-madurai-division/article29453382.ece
3. https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2020/aug/04/over-100-north-indians-attend-verification-process-for-railway-job-in-tiruchy-allegedly-flouting-lockdown-norms-2179103.html
4. https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2020/aug/08/hundreds-protest-against-recruitment-drive-at-tiruchy-railway-workshop-2180798.html
5. https://www.indiatvnews.com/education/career-twitteratis-protest-over-railways-giving-bulk-of-jobs-in-tamil-nadu-to-north-indians-517865
And those are just from 2019 and 2020.
Here is more:
1. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/when-hindi-speakers-beat-tamils-to-postman-jobs-in-tamil-nadu/articleshow/57697421.cms
2. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chennai/opposition-slams-tnpsc-move-to-allow-non-tamil-nadu-students-for-group-4/articleshow/61719484.cms
3. https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/current-affairs/090619/non-tamils-appointed-in-tangedco-must-learn-tamil-p-thangamani.html
Reservations do not matter when you can just leave those posts unfilled and empty. Flouting the rules is not new to governments.
Grama devis as Tim said are an aspect of tribal cultures. But also Vedic cultures. There is a false dichotomy of Vedic being patriarchal and the local cultures as matriarchal. However fierce blood thirsty dieties were/are probably more prevalent in southern India.
ReplyDeleteIf Grama devatas are part of Vedic culture they should have been mentioned in Vedas or other associated literature right?
DeleteWell not all customs were neccesarily codified and written down. Vedas were a meant to be a guide and rough template rather than a rule book. Generally different societies took what they found suitable and went their own way.
DeleteThe most thorough procedures of worship, temple construction rituals etc are not so much found in the Atharva Veda but the Agamas
combining my point about Parasuram and goddesses , the Yellama and Renuka cult beloved by lower castes in Karnatak are Parasuramic.
ReplyDeleteIndian democracy is dysgenic because of Indian people to begin. They were and still are not fit for democracy. While they are capable of hard work and achieving wealth they dont quite know how to handle it due to generations of infantilization from the top down.
ReplyDeleteThe majority of the populace cannot comprehend the fact that "leaders" in a representative democracy are not lords or kings but simply public servants. Both the elite and the masses look towards only short term gains and therefore the constant degradation of society.
Sad reality.
DeleteBut I really feel it is not right to say Indians are not fit for democracy. Indians (part and full) in the West do not seem to have these issues. It is only Indians in India who seem to have a lot of problems. Something must - and can - be done to fix this. We just do not know what.
There were no institutions for making people responsible citizens. Yes India has colleges, a (relatively) open press, political parties , rule of law , judicial system, infrastructure,minority rights, etc, constitution etc which are the building blocks of a consensual political system . However none of these are created by Indians bt by British to control Indians as subjects. The very institutional structure are flawed from the outset.
DeleteThe most egregious example is police who are trained even to this day not for solving crimes but for crowd control as that was the priority of the British.
True that. India has serious flaws and has basically avoided amending the infrastructure left behind by Britain. They made it more draconian instead. That is the sad truth. They need to amend/overhaul or change it completely and make it better.
DeleteAs for minority rights and the constitution, India is far ahead of even the best of Islamic countries out there, like Tunisia and Malaysia. I would say India is better than even Japan where the ethnic/religious majority rules the roost. You get a better chance at justice against an Indian in India than a Japanese person in Japan, which is a fact.
But India never really made serious attempts at building a lasting functional nation. That is why it dropped from free to partly free.
"They were and still are not fit for democracy." --- true, may be democracy isn't fit for eastern cultures in general.
ReplyDelete"Both the elite and the masses look towards only short term gains and therefore the constant degradation of society." --- yes, no long term civilizational goals. Elections are won by either solving caste equations or by distributing subsidies .
This is the problem when a country is deeply divided tribal (casteism as it currently exists is a somewhat more sophisticated and less brutal form of African tribalism) , sectarian and linguistic lines. If India were not united perhaps some individual states would be on par with Malaysia or Singapore.
DeleteWhen it comes to cringe, this Jahan Soz is the (homosexual) Sultan Ghori/Ghazni who he admires so much
ReplyDelete1) HE calls his comments "excellent"
2) He says he "smells damn good"
3) He believes he is "drowning in white women"
4) He keeps coming back despite repeated humiliations and rejections
Whats the matter Rohan/Aham Brahamasmi/Chacha ji/Kathiawadi/dagoat . These dirty tricks wont work here. I kicked you repeatedly to the curb ,demanding you leave. Now you mewl and whimper like a broen asking to be reunited. Its clear that you are a pathetic weirdo who is attached to a blog of all things.
Wait...this Jahan Soz guy is really Rohan or Roshan Kuriakose? How did you come to this conclusion?
DeleteOh please, spare dogs, even if broken, they are at least loyal and adorable animals. This guy is pure scum.
Not Roshan , but Rohan -the Rajput lover. he is active on historum as dagoat and was previously Aham Brahmasmi . He pretended to have Scythian and Brahmin heritage- one of the weird signatures of a Pakistani impostor.
DeleteMany Pakistanis play a sort of meta game by highlighting the Brahmin and therefore Aryan aspect and in conjunction dismissing other castes as inferior. Therefore leading many to consciously or subconsciously come to the conclusion that the more "Aryan" Pakistan is superior.
I like dogs , I was just comparing him to an abused one. But yes those deserve pity rather than contempt.
That is interesting. I never knew Pakistanis had this level of obsession with Aryans/Scythians. I thought they were only obsessed with Arabs, Iranians and Turks.
DeleteIf I recall correctly, you had the id named DrvanNostrand, did you not?
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ReplyDeletebroen
ReplyDelete* Broken dog
This is why I hate typing on mobile.
"You dumb autist fucking bitch"
DeleteThat was some eloquent writing there, Shakespeare. This was the best your Nodic Aryan genes could produce ?
Frankly Lord Parasuram would be a good role model for all Indians irrespective of caste or religion.
ReplyDeleteThat aside, these modes of war are increasingly becoming outdated. What is needed is highly intelligent people who are adept at Cognitive Electronic Warfare (AI, ML/DL, etc.) drone programming, Internet of Things, cybersecurity (offense and defense - China's cyber warfare is now AI-enabled), etc., and other skills in line with algorithmic warfare, which is where China and the United States are at present. India lags behind China in minimum 15 disruptive techs.
If you think about it, the keyboard warriors in India could actually be put to better use instead of just polluting cyberspace with their bile. Sadly the govt seems to be letting this opportunity slip.
/If India were not united perhaps some individual states would be on par with Malaysia or Singapore./
ReplyDeleteI actually agree with you. India could do really well if it were like EU instead of a united Republic. At least some of the states will be better off than the rest.
The Indian nation-states could then go on to form a defense bloc similar to NATO and name it SATO - South Asian Treaty Organization. Who knows, it could end up working much better than the present Republic of India.
Re: reservations, Tamilnadu's story took 5 decades starting in 1967. There were other schemes that supported it too, like you yourself say midday meals and also first generation graduate policy wherein fees were reduced considerably for first generation undergraduate students in public universities irrespective of caste and religion unlike what the BJP govt is doing now.
ReplyDeleteAs for midday meals, well the Tamilnadu govt being a puppet of New Delhi has surrendered all autonomy and even basic self-respect to the latter. Now there is a group called Akshaya Patra which supplies insufficient nutrition for kids there which lack eggs and kids are not getting the nutrition they deserve even from what they get. Hopefully that nonsense will end with a change in govt next month.
But I would say Tamilnadu is an aberration. One state succeeded while many other states have failed badly. Maybe the limitations of that era prevented education from reaching every nook and cranny but today with new improvements in digital tech where you can access good education for a lower cost or even free online, I think the old system of reservations needs an overhaul or change. Online education can be supplemented by well-trained teachers or volunteers who can cover kids in their localities and teach them face-to-face depending on their free times. That would do more good than an outdated education system relying on affirmative action, do you not think?
Yes Akshaya Patra is a joke which is expected of Hindutva. In 1998 the VHP insisted that lions ,who were part of a travelling cirucus, in Varanasi be fed vegetarian food.
ReplyDeleteOnline education is not effective for most children. If the pandemic has taught us anything, its this.
Tamil Nadu has been successful because it had more colleges ,universities compared to most other states. And all the forward castes participated in rural to urban shift due to the anti feudal tone and policies propagated by Periyar. Even as his policies and views led to unpleasant consequences down the road (much like Savarkar) , in this particular aspect there was an egalitarianism and opportunity in the short term.
VHP was not the only one, have a look at this:
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Due to beef ban in Karnataka, wild animals that need beef for their nutrients are being fed chicken and it is affecting them badly. I mean, what can tigers and lions do when they basically need beef to function normally? They are not eating beef just to offend Hindus!! Seriously, are Kannadigas really that stupid!!?
Online education can be channeled to extract maximum benefits by synchronizing it with face-to-face teaching. That is what I am working on as I believe it could lead to a tremendous jump in competence among the youngsters of today.
As for universities and colleges, you are absolutely right. Although a lot of degrees are not really that valuable, it at least helped Tamils get out of their decrepitude.
But I will tell you this: If anyone in Tamilnadu had talked about Periyar like 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago, people would have just glanced at them and moved on. Tamils were growing out of Periyarism starting in the 2000s and were well on their way to integration with the mainstream. It all came to an end in 2017-18.
After Jayalalithaa died in late 2016, Tamil Brahmins, who previously remained in their own avenues and with whom others were normalizing and making up, suddenly unraveled. Unraveled in what were seemingly unimaginable ways at that time. Tamil Brahmins mocked and ridiculed Tamils who died/committed suicide due to the federal govt imposing the NEET medical entrance exam on Tamilnadu in short notice. They were making comments which were similar to:
"One more dead body has arrived for politics!"
"If you cannot pass an exam, what will you do as a doctor?"
"Why not study something else? Why are you fixated on becoming a doctor?"
"Committing suicide over an exam? How weak you must be!"
"Good riddance to bad rubbish."
And the sort. In 2018, the BJP govt did something that was way beyond cruel: They forced students form Tamilnadu to write the NEET exam in far-flung states of India! Some people were lucky to go to Kerala while others went as far as Rajasthan and Punjab just for this exam when they could not afford it. One of the Tamil Brahmins literally said:
"Maybe they wanted to run away and get married so they chose a faraway state to write the exam."
After the Thoothukudi shooting where 13 people died, Tamil Brahmins were again mocking and ridiculing the victims. One man who visited a Tamil Brahmin congregation in the United States requested a minute's prayer before starting the event but Tamil Brahmins protested against it and literally fought with him. A few years ago, when a small boy got trapped in a manhole and eventually died, around Diwali time, Tamil Brahmins were literally cursing him and complaining that he was holding up their Diwali celebrations! Some of them asked where was Jesus and the Padres who do miracles and heartlessly laughed at the now-deceased child as he was a Christian.
Year after year, they were mocking and ridiculing the general population every chance they got. This pushed more and more people towards Periyar. All the goodwill they earned after the 1990s (thanks to stupid films by Shankar and AR Murugadoss) went up in smoke and fire.
The young generation which came of age in the previous decade (they grew up on Shankar's stupid movies where he usually projects Brahmins as pure white entities and lower castes as absolute scum) lost all their fascination for many Tamil actors. While the toxic fandom still exists, Tamil actors do not enjoy the standing MGR, Sivaji Ganesan and Jayalalithaa did decades ago. The general population is more wary of them now. But to their credit, major Tamil stars like Vijay, Ajith and even Rajinikanth never kowtowed to BJP the way Bollywood did/does. It is now more of a complicated relationship between Tamils and Tamil cinema.
Periyar who was fading into obscurity and literally becoming a relic of the past is now all the rage once again. From a time when Periyar's (and CN Annadurai's) books used to gather dust and were basically put away to paper shops for money, now every book fair in Chennai (and Tamilnadu in general) witnesses a mad rush for Periyar's and Anna's books, so much that they must be stocked at least 3 times in order to meet the demand. North Indian chauvinists did not do this, Hindi imperialists did not do this, it was single-handedly achieved by Tamil Brahmins.
DeleteNormally I do not like to generalize about an entire demography (Tamil Brahmins in this case) in this manner as I am not for collective punishment but what else can I do when way too many people spew bile in such a rancid manner?
Shankar is a Gounder and hence his pro Brahmin tendencies in Gentleman and Anniyan were curious. I suppose some Vellalas and Gounders are often more Brahmanical than Brahmins which explains that. Kamalahassan though an Iyengar went the DMK route LOL.Though I dont recollect his showing lower castes in bad light? In which movies were these. Even Telugus got the treatment in Kadhalan hahaha. Back in the 90s there was a very strong anti Telugu streak in Tamil movies, a lot of the villains were either Telugu or Telugu Tamils such as Naicker and Reddiars.
DeleteTamil Brahmins consider themselves a bridge community I think between the anti centre TN and the Indian nationalists. Though they generally lean towards the latter hence they these pro government viciousness.
Kamal Haasan made films like Thevar Magan which showed Thevars in bad light. His movies also carry a strong Vaishnavite influence, see Dashavataram.
DeleteA lot of Tamil Brahmins are, for lack of a better word, bigots. There is no other way to put it. Although they are radicalized by Hindutva at the moment, I have come across North Indian Brahmins, Bengali Brahmins and Telugu Brahmins. I have never felt uncomfortable with them, but Tamil Brahmins are an entirely different story. The former are somewhat reasonable, the latter are not at all reasonable.
Being pro-govt is one thing but many Tamil Brahmins (not all) are not just pro-central and state govt, they are viciously anti-others. That is where they differ.
I believe thevar Magan was supposed to simply highlight Thevar culture. He was inspired by an incident he witnessed where a Mudaliar barged into his office and hacked his Thevar coworker to death with an aruval.
DeleteHis later film Virumandi is filled with resentment that a "foreigner" Naicker has so much authority and power in TN
Dasavatharam was unique. In much of films he is either athiest or Tamil nationalist(Punnagai Mannan where he abuses Revathi and her father for being Sinhala)
Kamal is a great actor for sure but in his recent election campaign he was primarily targeting DMK (which has not been in power since 2011) instead of ADMK/BJP. He also mocked Karunanidhi for sitting on a wheelchair.
DeleteThat was how he lost every bit of respect he earned in the Dravidian fraternity. He basically outed himself as a puppet of BJP (in the eyes of Tamils).
Mudhaliars generally don't go around hacking people to death, least of all other socially equal castes like Thevar. Do you have proof for this claim?
Delete"Periyar who was fading into obscurity and literally becoming a relic of the past is now all the rage once again." ---
Delete@Enviro-Metal, Periyar is becoming or has become quite famous in the online north indian bahujan circle. A very famous bahujan journalist but a rabid brahmin and savarna hater from the north, Dilip Mandal reveres Periyar. That guy has even got Periyar in his dp.
"A lot of Tamil Brahmins are, for lack of a better word, bigots. " ---
DeleteI believe a lot of this may be reactionary given extreme anti-brahmin propaganda that happened in the state in the past. Many tam brahms had to migrate northward as some tam-brahmins told me that their ancestors were open discrimibated in the job interview by abusing them(no idea how true is this) and i often see tamil handles online spewing hate against tam brahms. This probably causes the tam brahms to retort back and the cycle continues lol.
Speaking of this, @YSV, many rajputs from the north say that anti-brahminism worked so well in isolating the brahmins in the south because of lack of a closely allied 'true' warrior/kshatriya class like rajputs in the south which could have acted as a buffer . What do you think ?
@Piyush: There are warrior classes in the south. Only difference is the "anti Brahminism" is led by them in some cases. Everybody in India has an opinion about every other guy whether it's true or false. Rajputs and Dalits of north india are no different. I have seen dalits of north India thinking that south is some kind of Utopia where everybody is equal.
DeleteHonestly I find it hard to take sides these days with the Tamil Brahmins/ NB Tamils conflict. Earlier I could sympathize with Tamil Brahmins as they were discriminated and driven off due to a hostile atmosphere created by the DMK ideologues. However these days TN Brahmins seem on the offensive. At the same social media fans the flames of hatred- such as the bizarre hysterical reactions of lower castes when Madhavan tweeted pics of his sons Upanayanam ceremony.
DeleteAdd to this the silly Parasuram Brahmanical supremacism embers fanned by Indiachan and other trolls and you have this tinderbox
re Rajputs protecting Brahmins
Well most of the anti Brahmin animus is in Tamil Nadu rather than other southern states. I think there is too much emphasis on the "Aryan" aspect of Tamil Brahmins for the reason of hostility. Rather I think it is simply the power equations which was responsible for the acrimony. In Sri Lankan Tamil society, for instance no one was concerned about Brahmins at all as they were just temple priests and even these roles were often taken over by the dominant Vellalas. IN TN they dominated the academia, judiciary, buereuacracy, land owners and well represented in finance and police.
Brahmins had no comparable over representation in other fields in other southern states.
And whatever power Brahmins had such as in the judiciary in Telangana and AP (alongside Muslims) were simply pushed aside when Reddys and Kammas came to power with minimal fuss.
Perhaps as you say if they had investitured the landed warrior class as Kshatriyas rather than Sat Shudras, they may shown the Brahmins more consideration but I doubt that as they were just too many of these communities and they would jostle for power. For instance the only recognized Kshatriyas are Rajus of AP and Urs of Karnataka and Varmas of Kerala and TN. No body cares about them .Sat Shudras hold the political and financial clout.
" Rather I think it is simply the power equations which was responsible for the acrimony." Exactly, Periyar did not care about equality and all the stuff. He wanted his community to dominate in areas where TB's held sway. So he used Aryan/Dravidian thing to his advantage.
DeleteTo be honest Tamil Brahmins look to much out of place(colour) in Tamil Nadu. It would have happened sooner or later irrespective of Periyar.
That's not the case in Andhra and Karnataka.
Tim Drake/Piyush has missed the plot.
DeleteRao was right in pointing out that Tamil Brahmins ruled the roost during the colonial and post-colonial years till 1967 and dominated every imaginable field. But guess where Tamilnadu was at that time? Madras State (as it was known back then) was the fourth poorest state in India back in 1967 where famines were commonplace. Tamilnadu is still a hellhole but at least it is not one of the poorest states in India despite what was basically a decade of negligence.
DMK is the only party that closely adheres to the Dravidian ideology. Their opponent AIADMK (led by MGR and Jayalalithaa) can be best described as liberal as they were always closer to New Delhi and did not engage in anti-Brahminism (Jaya herself was a Kannada Brahmin and she was CM - directly and indirectly - for 16 years). MGR ruled for 10 years straight. ADMK ruled 6 years with uncertain leadership. Meanwhile, DMK ruled only for 21 years since 1967: the first 9 years till 1976, 1989-1991, 1996-2001 and 2006-2011. CN Annadurai ruled for 2 years before his untimely death while M Karunanidhi ruled for 19 years. For one year (1976-1977) Tamilnadu was under President's Rule during Indira Gandhi's emergency.
The anti-Brahmin animus during the 1960s and early 1970s slowly started to die out in the late 1970s and 1980s and by the 1990s the general public did not bother them at all. The 21st century looked like an era of reconciliation and everybody decided to move on. In fact, anyone who spoke badly of Brahmins during the 2000s and early 2010s was frowned upon and avoided by society. Not just Tamil Brahmins mind you, some Dravidian ideologues pointed out that there was trouble ahead (just after Anna Hazare started his high voltage drama) and Brahminism was on the rise again, and all they received was scorn and contempt from non-Brahmins. Yes, the "anti-Brahmin" Tamilnadu rejected Dravidian ideologues who pointed out that Brahmin chauvinists were rebounding back in 2011. Look at the state of affairs in India today.
But calling Tamilnadu anti-Brahmin is incorrect. There was no hatred towards Brahmins as a people since the mid-1970s. Anti-Brahminism is the right term as strong opposition to Varnashrama Dharma still exists and for the right reasons. Also most of the opposition is by OBCs themselves. Once again, the Rajputs of the North are wrong in their assessment.
And Tamil Brahmins are not exactly living in decrepitude. You can visit localities of Chennai and its outskirts like Mylapore, Thiyagaraya Nagar, Triplicane, Tambaram, etc., and see how expensive those properties are. And those are mostly Tamil Brahmin localities. Also most important positions in MNCs and other private sector companies are presided over by Tamil Brahmins. Ironically they entered that state whenever DMK were in power so in a way DMK's governments helped Tamil Brahmins tremendously. This does not include the infrastructural improvements that are a DMK staple. Oh, the irony.
DeleteAlso Karunanidhi was not really interested in demonizing Brahmins unlike Periyar and Ambedkar (Ambedkar was more scathing in his criticism of Brahmins than even Periyar). He was more interested in uplifting downtrodden communities in Tamilnadu. He was too busy building roads, bridges, highways and buildings than demonizing peoples. He was also interested a lot in science. When MS Swaminathan wanted to open a research center in Tamilnadu, Karunanidhi gladly obliged and gave him prime land for the same.
Also check this out:
https://twitter.com/idonashok/status/1255835726022754304
This is from 1975.
The liberalization of 1992 certainly played a major role but there is also the factor of reconciliation (which came to an end a few years ago) and societal peace.
Keyboard warriors are good at only typing nonsense. I doubt they have the high IQ required to be proficient in those fields. Anyhow if all these asteroids/meteors keep their alarming pace of grazing by the earth, at some point we will be in line of sight and go back to swords and horses due to a EMP effect in case of a best case scenario of a collision/explosion in the earths atmosphere.
ReplyDeleteI believe those asteroids and meteors still have at least a hundred years before impacting planet earth. Mars is there to take all the beatings for us. Which is why I am not too fond of going there LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I would content myself with the moon.
DeleteWell your chosen diety is Murugan who is associated with Mars which also one of your previous usernames. Guess you are stuck with it LOL
DeleteI am also an Aries by star sign. Murugan is the overlord of Mars so that is no surprise.
DeleteThat old handle was Son Mars Mother Earth.
@YSV: Look at the physical description of Desasthas vis-a-vis others. Is this true or some kind of goof up by Brits.
ReplyDeleteI have come across the surname Telang in youtube comments section several times, do you think it has any relation to Telange used to describe Telugu people by Brits.
The Telang surname is similar to Dravid , associated with Marathi or Konkani Brahmins. Just as Maratha brahmins who migrated to TN during the Tanjore Maratha era are known by their newly chosen home, similarly Dehashtha Brahmins who were invited by the Nizam to oversee the administration attached Telang to indicate their current residency.
DeleteIt is similar to some movies stars and singers with names like Bombay Janaki and Malaysia Vasudevan. Parsees often assume area names as well as occuption names as their surname such as Cochinwala and Punewala.
Malaysia Vasudevan. I did not know a person existed LOL. For a second thought it was some Brahmi character LOL.
DeleteSorry forgot to post the link in the above comment
https://cultural.maharashtra.gov.in/english/gazetteer/Ahmadnagar/people_castes.html
Look at the description of Desashthas. Is this true at least I don't think so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Vasudevan
DeleteHe is famous singer and comedian in Tamil films.
I read different descriptions of Dehasthas praising their features though less so than Chitpavans as is the case here as well.
Malaysia Vasudevan was an extremely popular singer. Listen to this jukebox:
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He ruled the roost in Tamil cinema during the 1980s.
@Enviro-Metal: I have to commend Tamil and Malayalis for using their scripts in Youtube comments section. I have seen Telugu and Kannada guys writing their languages in English.
DeleteSiva, even Pakistanis mostly use Roman script for typing Urdu. I do not see the big deal in this.
DeleteIn fact, it would be better to use Roman script for all languages. Look at Turkish, Malay and Indonesian.
"In fact, it would be better to use Roman script for all languages." ----Nope
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