Psychotic indulgences of the Indian royalty during the Raj
From Manoj K Agarwals, From Bharata to India- the Rape of Chrysee. A wide ranging covering the excesses of Islamic and Christan atrocities in their native lands as well regions encompassed in the subject of the book. But what really fascinated and revolted me was the utter depravity and degradation that native rulers sunk to. It puts French Emperors to shame.
a few excerpts
A fair trade indeed. Let it not be known that the British were mean spirited ! I wont tolerate that sort of talk!
Dharmarajyam personified
Ok. you get the idea. Complete and utter cretins and degenerates. The author further goes on to note that on the eve of independence , they managed to burn most records of their expenditures and other evidences of their gargantuan self indulgences even as in many provinces there was famine. I suppose this is the Ramrajya that Deshbhakt Rajput and pure"Brahmana" fanboys traditionalists want to return to.
There is more, much more. Do check it out yourselves. Excerpts available on Google Books. I cant read too much without feeling nauseaous.
Of all the princely states I feel Mysore was better as they did invest in infrastructure projects, dams and industries like HAL which benefited the common people.
ReplyDeleteThe Wodeyars have historically been great administrators and unlike other kingdoms manage to centralize their authority and coordinate their resources including the military effeciently. Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan benefited from these systems and improved upon them which is why they were able to repeatedly defeat the British ,Marathas and Nizam combined despite having fewer resources.
DeleteHindutvas keep stating that Tipu Sultan was a cruel Islamic despot without considering the context . Yes he was cruel but not so much more than others in the same era. To Mysorean hindus he was a fair and just ruler who brought prosperity. Sir Thomas Munroe, who was responsibility for defeating the polygars, noticed that Mysore standard of living and average income was better and higher than that of England and the accounts of English soldiers such as Edward Moore and others give glowing reviews to Mysore and compare it to englightened despotisms such as Austria at the time.
Ofc for Mysoreans Hyder Ali and Tipu Sultan were ideal rulers. However if I was a Nair, Kodava or Konkani christian I would consider him to be a rakshasa and rightly so. It all depends by what context you are judging him by.
I judge rulers not by what they say but what they do. I am generally more concerned with fate of common people under kings rather than monuments to their ego (ahem Taj Mahal) built by oppresive taxation. Apparently in the Kali Yuga, taxation above 15% is oppressive. Arthur Laffer (of the Laffer curve which was the basis of Reaganomics) laughs or rather smiles .
Consider that the term Chaudhary comes from "chauth" which means 1/4th or 25 % of revenue to be extracted from peasants. Often it reached above 50% under Mughals as well as marathas, Marthanda Varma and Rajputs to name a few. Vijayanagar periodically abolished taxes for peasants and reduced taxes on artisans.
By the standards of the shastras Tipu Sultan was dharmic and just to his subjects but Marathas behaved like mlecchas rakshasa especially in Bengal.
"I suppose this is the Ramrajya that Deshbhakt Rajput and pure "Brahmana" fanboys traditionalists want to return to."
ReplyDeleteAre you sure that is what Indian traditionalists and RSS want? Is it not something else, like the Gupta era? Or the Maurya era? Or the era of Shivaji?
Or am I missing something?
Just to add that this new online group of 'trads' shouldn't be conflated with RSS. In fact, the trads hate RSS to the core . As to the answer, yes, whenever they talk about dharmic monarchy, they talk about something along the lines of Gupta .
DeleteThey are living in a fantasy world where they intend to replace the constitution with Manusmriti.
DeleteAnyway they are correct about RSS not being traditional- it is after modelled on nationalist and fascist movements of 20th century Europe with a thin religious veneer rather any traditional dharmic organization.
Get over your victim complex.
ReplyDeleteNo Hindu Nationalist with an IQ above 80 wants to live like some debauched "royals" who were mosty just British lackeys by then.
If you dont know anything , just shut up. I am not a victim of any of these. I am just stating facts. As for iQ above 80, I doubt most HNs have that. So there you have it.
DeleteHindu nationalists were British lackeys par excellence. The contribution of RSS, Hindu Mahasabha etc etc to the independence movement is zero. Zero, if i am being generous. It is more likely negative(collusion).
Can you do me a favor YSV?
ReplyDeleteCan you watch this guy's video? He claims to have been contacted by angel and god himself. I am impressed by his claims but i don't know what to think since i have lower IQ and i can't form an opinion by my own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2lDzuTn-Zw
Not just ysv i would like to get opinion of other readers here. I think he is genuine myself but what do i know.
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DeleteWoah why did you delete his comments? What did you say enviro?
ReplyDeleteI deleted my own comments.
DeleteThe blog admin did not like me posting them so I removed them and apologized.
were your comments about my linked video?
Deletealso where arw you ysv? I would really like to know your opinion.
Nope, my comments were not about your video.
DeleteHi YSV coming back to your blog after long time. Wanted some recommendation on books about history of caste system in Andhra. Could you please provide any.
ReplyDeleteI was typing a response while the resident village idiot chimed in .
DeleteActually in English the best one is probably Edgar Thurston's Castes and Tribes or South India. Most of the books are in Telugu
such as Suravaram Pratap Reddy's Andhrula Sanghika Charitra
Though he makes some curious claims such as these
"Reddys and Velamas were not Telugus. They were immigrants. Rashtrakutas from north(karnataka) became Reddys and Vellalu from Tamil country became Velamas. Velamas were social reformers and Reddys were orthodox and hence there was always rivalry between these two tribes. During the period of Srinadha (~15th century) they were considered equal in the society."
There is little evidence for these claims. Though it can be said that Reddys were likely feudatories under the Rashtrakuta era when they ruled Telangana and adopted the title . Vel is a proto Dravidian word meaning spear or warrior . Not sure exactly but something related to martial pursuits and ruling.
As per Thurston Velama, Kapu, Balija, Kamma spring from the same source. These have their own puranas and legends as to how they came about. Some of them claim descent from Ayodhya, other Kasi. And others Dwarka
As with historiography we have to seperate the wheat from the chaff. As those places are the abode of Rama, Shiva and Krishna ,it would be considered prestigious to be associated with them. Many European kings claimed descent from Mary Magdalene and Jerusalem. This is more to do with the revered status of Jerusalem than the kings having any Jewish blood.
There do exist however legends which roughly correspond to IVC migration to the South in the legend of Velirs migrating from Dwaraka. Even in the Periplus of the Erythrean sea, it was noted that shepherd castes existed in southern Gujarat who were tall an dark skinned but were of a different culture and language than others from neighboring kingdoms.
This source has useful information though take it with a grain of salt
https://indculture0.tripod.com/tindex.htm
Kapus nowadays harbor an Aryan fixation like our Aryan Brahmin self proclaimed stud here. However the reality is that most of these claims derive from the British census where they were clamoring for Kshatriya status but couldnt get it from Niyogis.
Re Satavahanas ,Salankayas ,ikshavakus ,Pallavas and other "Brahmin" dynasties. We have to understand south Indian society was framed differently. In the views of Brahmins , all south indians were shudra or vratyas. And the fighting elites didnt seem to understand the north Indian caste system. They just wanted to assume the highest caste and if that was Brahmin then they would go for it. And assume warrior duties. Why go for Kshatriya (no 2) when they can go for Brahmin?
DeleteSatavahanas like Pallavas were likely of Naga origin though Pallavas had more royal lineage with the Cholas.
Niyogi claim to Brahminhood is highly suspect . Before Vijayanagar most Smartha Brahmins dont really have any claim to be Brahmins.
Anyone who could read and write a little bit of Sanskrit or was literate could just claim to be Brahmin. Heck carpenters, jewellers and other tradesmen would wore the thread and invoked Sanskrit mantras of Vishwakarma and Saraswati while plying their trades. They in time passed themselves off as Brahmins.
Anyway south Indians were likely literate and urban dwellers before Indo Aryan immigration into the south as the Keezhadi culture shows. Bharatanatyam owes much to the Natya Sastra but a lot of it was indigenous development. Similarly how Kerala Ayurveda has more with folk and tribal remedies than with the orignal text. As well as Kalari Payat owing to native traditions northern shastras allegedly introduced by Parasurama.
Kakatiyas were proud Shudras and they created an egalitarian culture and civilization which amazed Marco Polo.
A word about temples ; these were designed not by Brahmins but Agamic priests who were south Indian ritualists. Generally each kingdom would create a temple for their society and caste (whether Golla, Kapu,Vellala, Vokkaliga or Kamma) and devise the rituals for local grama devatas now elevated into Puranic pantheons as what happend to Venkatesware(originally Vekanna or Ankanna ) to identify with Vishnu. This temple was created like most others in the south by a golla dynasty. Until 100 years ago gollas had the right to open the gates of the Tirupati temple. This was taken over by Jeeyars as with other temples(all built by non Brahmins) now taken over by smartha Brahmins and claiming them as their own.
The only true Brahmins (as in Shrauta Vedic Brahmins) are in Eastern Andhra and Kerala (Nambuthiri) . apart from these I dont think any exist. They dont use temples but vedic altars designed in the shape of eagles etc.
There certainly exists a Telugu devoid of Sanskrit - Subramaniam Maaripodi has composed a dictionary purely of original Telugu with hardly any Sanskrit borrowings. You can find his views on Quora.
Delete"There certainly exists a Telugu devoid of Sanskrit - Subramaniam Maaripodi has composed a dictionary purely of original Telugu with hardly any Sanskrit borrowings. You can find his views on Quora."
DeleteThat is very interesting given how standard Telugu is composed of 60% Sanskrit words.
I have a few queries though:
1. Do non-Sanskrit Telugu words have their own origins or did they derive from other languages like Prakrit, Pali, etc?
2. In most other cultures, warriors (who also double as farmers) are at the top of the hierarchy, but in Vedic culture alone, the priest (Brahmin) is on top. What explains this oddity?
Thanks.
"Generally each kingdom would create a temple for their society and caste (whether Golla, Kapu,Vellala, Vokkaliga or Kamma) and devise the rituals for local grama devatas now elevated into Puranic pantheons as what happend to Venkatesware(originally Vekanna or Ankanna ) to identify with Vishnu."
DeleteInteresting information.
In other words, Vekanna/Ankanna in Andhra are like Maayon in Tamilnadu which later got appropriated as Vishnu.
But we can differentiate between Maayon and Vishnu: Maayon will have a large mustache. Vishnu and his (most common) avatars like Rama and Krishna do not have mustaches!
The same way Murugan, originally the god of the hills, became Subrahmanya, the son of Shiva.
The description of Murugan differs from that of Skanda/Karthikeya . The latter had celestial aspect- nursed by the Kritika stars born to Shiva and Parvati. Subramanya is a title I believe which applied in the Vedas to Indra as well.
DeleteI think Karthikeya took on the title Subramanya after defeating Taraka which Indra couldnt manage. The Vedic to Puranic transition is a gradual emasculation of Indra!
Murugan seemed to be a more earthy personality. Like Karthikeya he had martial aspects but he revelled in alcohol, meat eating and orgiastic sex. Karthikeya in contrast was rather staid and celibate.
It is likely that Murugan was a chieftain who was elevated to a diety over time.
Murugan merged with a Skanda/Kumara as the Shaivite cults merged in the medieval era however it was not a perfect match . But Korravai corresponded much better to Kali.
Mayon I think was more associated with Krishna but as the latter was an aspect of Vishnu, it is the same difference.
Venkateswara acquired the Vishnu/Perumal aspects after the Muslim capture of TN after the Malik Kafur raiding and Vaishanavite yengars fled to Tirupati and transformed him into Vishnu.
Some of the village statues have mustaches but the paintings and illustrations do not- I guess it is just an artistic convention. Also consider the nature of the medium- probably more difficult to carve mustaches and beards on marble and granite. The facial hair on village guardian dieties is just painted on I think.
1. Telugu is a Dravidian ,not IA language so pure Telugu words are derived from Proto Dravidian of which there are two main branches- Tamil- Tulu and sub branches and Telugu- Gond and its sub branches .
DeleteTamil Tulu gave rise to Kannada, Tulu, Kodagu and later Malayam etc. While Telugu Gond sub branches gave birth to Telugu and tribal languages such as Gond, Savara, Chenchu etc
For this reason , Tulu and Kodagu are suspected to be older than Tamil but due to lack of literature vis a vis Tamil this claim has no meat on its bones
2. most people in the past were religious .Hence no matter what type of society , the priest would always have an elite position. Some societies such as Greek, Jewish , Celtic ,Zoroastrian and Vedic would have priestly duties as a hereditary position. In other cultures any literate person could aspire to the same. The corruption seemed to come in when kings such as Pallavas and Guptas started the aagrahams(land and wealth grants to Brahmins) on a very large scale. This led to disenfranchising free peasants and reducing them to serfdom. And religious laws were concocted to justify this . Manusmriti didnt justify this but its mania for caste heirarchy could be easily utilized for this purpose.
Cholas, Cheras and Vijayanagar continued this. Though Hoysalas, Chalukyas and Rashtrakutas also promoted aagrahama and varnashrama, they were more egalitarian compared to earlier dynasties as any one could move up theladder if they were good at trade or warfare. Kakatiyas were probably the most egalitarian dynasty in Indian history. 700 years before reformers considered intercaste dining- Dalits(Mala,Madiga), Kammas, Velamas and Brahmins ate together and served together in war.
I read that the Keezhadi findings are suspect because radio carbon dating was not done properly. Not to mention ideological agenda behind claiming TN as an independent civilization, free of northern influence. I've even seen some claims that the BJP government tried to suppress the Keezhadi discovery.
DeleteMeanwhile Madurai was literally named after Mathura and there are mentions of Brahmin priests and Vedic rituals in the Sangam texts.
DeleteIndeed it took high court intervention to get the lead archaelogist back to Keezhadi after he was "reassigned" by BJP government
https://www.thenewsminute.com/article/keezhadi-excavations-hc-orders-transfer-asi-officer-amarnath-ramakrishna-tn-98413
If there are any radio carbon dating issues then its best to complete the excavations and get more samples to sort it out. Why stop the project?
Nothing wrong with any ideological agenda as long as you can prove it and dont interfere and shut down research when things dont seem to corroborate your biases which is what the BJP rather than the TN government has done.
Yes Sangam has considerable Vedic influence. However there are still customs such as urn burials , emphasis on bull rather than cow, different social customs- there was a festival called tunankai sort of like a Valentine's day where young men and young women would fraternize and dance rather like the American prom!
Mathura and Dwaraka are the only northern cities heavily referenced in Sangam literature for their religious significance. Apart from this Magadha and Nanda kings are occasionally mentioned for their treasures and imperial might.
"Most of the books are in Telugu
Deletesuch as Suravaram Pratap Reddy's Andhrula Sanghika Charitra"
Thanks I can read Telugu. Please do provide more if you can.
"This source has useful information though take it with a grain of salt
https://indculture0.tripod.com/tindex.htm" ---Does it belong to Vepachedu?
"Heck carpenters, jewellers and other tradesmen would wore the thread and invoked Sanskrit mantras of Vishwakarma and Saraswati while plying their trades" -- I have seen many carpenters still wear the thread not sure they do read any of the texts or not.
"A word about temples ; these were designed not by Brahmins but Agamic priests who were south Indian ritualists." Aren't Brahmins the agamic priests??
"Venkatesware(originally Vekanna or Ankanna ) to identify with Vishnu. This temple was created like most others in the south by a golla dynasty" --could you name the dynasty. I guess that explains the shepherd legend of Venkateswara.
"Until 100 years ago gollas had the right to open the gates of the Tirupati temple. "-- Could you provide the source for this.
"The only true Brahmins (as in Shrauta Vedic Brahmins) are in Eastern Andhra and Kerala (Nambuthiri) ." Eastern Andhra?? which region or name of the Brahmin community or any significant person from this community ????
" Before Vijayanagar most Smartha Brahmins dont really have any claim to be Brahmins." -- So who do you think were they? Is Chaganti Smartha Brahmin?
I guess most of the homas performed today are not vedic. Like there is a sudarshana homa done in the temple near my house. I found out it was not vedic but agamic.
From Quora:
Delete1.Andhra Pradesh Samagra Charitra By PVK Prasada Rao
2.Andhrula Charitra By C.Hanumantha Rao
3.Aadhunika Andhra Pradesh Charitra By P.Raghunatha Rao
4.Vignaana Sarvasvam - Andhra Pradesh Charitra By Potti Sriramulu University
5.Vijeta Competitions - Samagra Andhra Desha Charitra & Samskruti By Dr.Muppaalla Hanumantha Rao
6.Andhra Pradesh Charitra By Emesco Quiz Series
7.Andhrula Charitra By Dr.BSL Hanumantha Rao
I didnt read these books but am familiar with some of them as my grandfathers press printed them. And he had them at home.
"Does it belong to Vepachedu?"
I think the author was associated with Vepachadu. But this is his personal blog.
Brahmins by their definition are associated with Vedic homas. Agamic priests are different as based not on the Vedas but rituals of various agrarian and pastoral castes of mostly Southern India , hence they texts are in Tamil and some in Telugu. Over time they simply identified themselves as Brahmins. Shankaracharya is responsible for much of this trend as he managed to merge Vedic and other dieties and the rituals came about.
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/yadavas-hail-restoration-of-golla-mirasi/article31816586.ece
The earliest inscriptions of Tirupati are in Tamil ,however since Yadavaraya chieftains took over the Chandragiri area around 1000 adthey patronized their own priests and customs which is referenced in this article. Later they became feudatories under Viajayanagar which led to it becoming a very wealthy temple complex. Gradually gollas were downgraded from priests to just opening the doors (which was still a great honor) to losing that as well under TDP. The current government restored those privileges to them.
https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/andhra-pradesh/2012/apr/30/worlds-oldest-ritual-comes-alive-at-yetapaka-363505.html
These are Andhra Brahmins performing a 4000 year old yagyam in Khamam. Only these and Namboothiris are capable apparently of performing such rituals. Apart from Keralopathi which states that they migrating from Uttarkhand, there is another legend that Kadama kings asked Andhra Brahmins to migrate to Kerala who became Namboothiri. This is referenced here
Smartha Brahmins are as I mentioned - a rag tag of artisans, warriors, medicine men, admistrators ,traders etc who were literate in Sanskrit and other language managed to get themselves in the Brahmin fold thanks to Veera Shaiva , Ramanuja, Madhava and others who created Brahmins from other castes. Vijayanagar empire accelerated this trend -for a while , and then these same people who benefited from upward mobility pulled out the ladder from the rest. And the Nayakas etc continued it well until the British era where Iyengars, iyers, Niyogis etc who were in the administration and had a hand in the drafting the census declared pretty much everyone Shudra despite their claims to Kshatriya and Brahmins . Nadars and Vanniyars rioted when Kshatriya status was denied to them for instance.
Chaganti seems to be Niyogi name. Hence smartha yes.
"I found out it was not vedic but agamic."
Unless performed by the aforementioned two communities in India, pretty much every ritual is agamic. Nothing wrong with agama shastras. Just to be accurate...
Thanks YSV.
DeleteHey faggot bitch, are you not late for your night at the leather club?
DeleteWhen did the Sangam era Tamils (early, mid and late) become jungle savages to you? I think you are mistaking us for your fellow Pakistanis who are now killing each other in the name of blasphemy! Yes, Muslims are killing other Muslims in the name of blasphemy now! This is and will be Imran Khan's lasting legacy.
Have a nice day.
Many Indian groups are related to IVC, not just Dravidians as they later spread out as far west as Central UP and Northern Maharashtra.
DeleteMost prominent historians acknolwedge the high level of civilization among ancient Tamils. Yes there was considerable cruelties in war but Romans slaughtered 10s of thousands and sold remaining in slavery.
THose who mock Dravidians for marrying nieces (a revolting practice for sure) and praise Iranians for their high civilization should remember that father daugther and mother son "marriages" were not uncommon in the latter society. (Milin patel has entered the chat) I suppose this is the sophisticated culture we should aspire to .
Regardless TN even if it is jungli origin is doing much better than those who have more IVC blood such as Punjab and Sindh.
All these notions of who was jungli and savage is incredibly silly. And simply is a fig leaf to cover up the complexes and failures of people making these claims Iraq, Egypt ,Syria and later Afghanistand and Uzbekistan had the most sophisticated and urbane civilizations. We see what their situation is today. Similarly England, Scandinavia and Japan were considered barbaric and "jungli" by various observers. I suppose they are still an absolute hell hole now as well by this logic. Avoid them at all costs.
Hi Guys,
DeleteThis is Tim here, won't be using the old id. Has been some time since i read this blog , i hope all of you were healthy and sound during the covid 2nd phase as I ended up getting covid lol. Anyways, i was reading the comments and these sentences of YSV piqued my interest :
"The only true Brahmins (as in Shrauta Vedic Brahmins) are in Eastern Andhra and Kerala (Nambuthiri) . apart from these I dont think any exist. They dont use temples but vedic altars designed in the shape of eagles etc. "
Now, I am confused at the above sentence as it seems that YSV has really narrowed down the definition of a brahmin. Even many north indian brahmin clans will be cancelled by the above definition.
Now, since we are talking about origins of brahmins in south india, let me tell you something - we can all conjecture as to what their origins were and this and that .... but since population genetics field has advanced quite a bit in the last two decades, let me tell you that nearly all south indian brahmin clans samples that I have seen, all have NON-TRIVIAL BRONZE AGE STEPPE ancestry that's barely present in other castes of TN and Andhra .
". Telugu is a Dravidian ,not IA language so pure Telugu words are derived from Proto Dravidian of which there are two main branches- Tamil- Tulu and sub branches and Telugu- Gond and its sub branches .
DeleteTamil Tulu gave rise to Kannada, Tulu, Kodagu and later Malayam etc. While Telugu Gond sub branches gave birth to Telugu and tribal languages such as Gond, Savara, Chenchu etc"
--- Now, I am not even at an amateur level in linguistics but I am not sure if language trees can be so neatly branched and devoid of any external neighboring influence as you have asserted here.
"Anyway south Indians were likely literate and urban dwellers before Indo Aryan immigration into the south as the Keezhadi culture shows."
Delete--- How exactly ? Correct me if am wrong but aren't the findings in Keezhadi dated to at most 5th-6th century BCE ? This would coincide with the urban phases in the gangetic plains ( and to remind you that gangetic plains is a highly densely populated area where there is still a great room for archaeology. The excavations at Sinauli, West Up yielded solid wheel chariots/carts along with coffins and copper weapons. Afaik, these are the earliest evidences burials with carts/chariots in India) .
"We have to understand south Indian society was framed differently. In the views of Brahmins , all south indians were shudra or vratyas. And the fighting elites didnt seem to understand the north Indian caste system."
--- Correct me if am wrong but I have a feeling that it's being claimed that caste system was brought to South India by IA speakers and before that SI society was quite egalitarian . Now while, concept of varna might have been indeed brought to south India by the IA speakers but jAti endogamy is quite old in south india (possibly can be even older than in the north).
"Now, I am confused at the above sentence as it seems that YSV has really narrowed down the definition of a brahmin. Even many north indian brahmin clans will be cancelled by the above definition."
DeleteWell if one has to stick to the strict and original definition of Brahmin being Vedic ritualists then yes no North Indian Brahmins currently qualify as well as south Indian brahmins apart from those mentioned.
"let me tell you that nearly all south indian brahmin clans samples that I have seen, all have NON-TRIVIAL BRONZE AGE STEPPE ancestry that's barely present in other castes of TN and Andhra ."
I have not denied this genetic component as they may intermarried or integrated northern brahmins .
As for covid, hope you are recovering well. I recommend not taking these untested vaccines . Anyhow the antibodies and herd immunity may well prevent a second infection.
Delete"--- How exactly ? Correct me if am wrong but aren't the findings in Keezhadi dated to at most 5th-6th century BCE ? This would coincide with the urban phases in the gangetic plains ( and to remind you that gangetic plains is a highly densely populated area where there is still a great room for archaeology. The excavations at Sinauli, West Up yielded solid wheel chariots/carts along with coffins and copper weapons. Afaik, these are the earliest evidences burials with carts/chariots in India) .
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I dont see what you have stated here neccesarily contradict my position.
"--- Correct me if am wrong but I have a feeling that it's being claimed that caste system was brought to South India by IA speakers and before that SI society was quite egalitarian . Now while, concept of varna might have been indeed brought to south India by the IA speakers but jAti endogamy is quite old in south india (possibly can be even older than in the north)."
Endogamy is associated mostly with rural and tribal cultures . As with rest of India, urbanization ebbed and flowed. And that affected the nature and level of endogamy. Anyhow endogamy is meaningful if there is no mobility across communities. For example Velalla in SL Tamil areas are very endogamous. However 50% of SL Tamil Population is Velalalla- how is that possible ? Because Velallas were more than happy to accept people from other communities into their fold.
For instance i say that I will never marry a Pakistani but only an Indian. But if my son falls in love in Pakistani girl, she converts to Hinduism and acquires indian or any other citizenship and I claim "see I stuck to my guns and my son is married to an Indian Hindu" ,then my claims of endogamy are bit superficial and hollow. Same thinking in societies which claimed to endogamous and yet had mobility.
"I dont see what you have stated here neccesarily contradict my position"
Delete--- Aah, I apologize for my mistake there lol, I misunderstood it as keezhadi excavations showing literacy and urbanization before urbanization in North India( of course, not taking IVC into account here).
" I recommend not taking these untested vaccines . Anyhow the antibodies and herd immunity may well prevent a second infection."
--- I am being forced by my family to take the vaccine as everyone except me has taken it. I will take it soon.
"However 50% of SL Tamil Population is Velalalla- how is that possible ? Because Velallas were more than happy to accept people from other communities into their fold"
---- Yes, while certain percentage of people might have been indeed accepted by vellalars, however, vellalars were primarily agriculturalists and since peasants, pastoralists made the bulk of the population in pre-industrialized agricultural societies, it would have been totally possible that the initial peasant population brought to till the virgin lands in Sri lanka was entirely composed of vellalars.
Well then that would also apply to TN before around the Vijayanagar era where mobility became difficult but no there were a plurality of castes as they are today. Its not just Vellalas that migrated to SL . Other castes did as well. Also Telugus and Kannadigas who got Tamilized and Sinhalized as circumstances dictated.
DeleteHi faggot bitch (as you call others), how are things going on in Pakistan? I heard you guys are over the moon because Taliban are winning in Afghanistan and will take over by the end of this year?
ReplyDeleteThis is what Pakistan has contributed to the world: chaos and destruction.
Enjoy.
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DeleteMate, you do not even know what you are talking about!
DeleteIndia imports most of its drones and anti-drone systems from Israel now. I think you meant to say PAKISTAN ZINDABAD.
I cannot listen to an opposing view when it does not even exist in the first place.
The blog admin has repeatedly refuted your claims. You only dig yourself ever deeper into every hole which you dig here.
It is also interesting that you complain about him denouncing RSS/BJP and then proceed to slander Brahmins using terms like "pappan" (when RSS leaders are Brahmins themselves).
I feel you are too drunk on Murree beer. Shut down all electronics, eat some spicy chicken leg and go to sleep.
Looks like you engage in long hours of study, this time from BJP IT cell's WhatsApp manual. I suppose that is why you take so long to make posts. While you seem to have gained more knowledge in the months that went by, you still fail to comprehend basic English. No amount of knowledge will help when you cannot even comprehend it.
DeleteLTTE actually got inspired by and took training from the likes of the now-defunct PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization). India merely attempted to use LTTE for their own ends but then as always India being inept at war failed.
And the blog admin never really praised LTTE. He merely described them in the manner he always does for everyone else.
I will not get into the dynamics of Sri Lankan Tamil politics of the late 20th century because it is too complex for you to comprehend. You will either end up misunderstanding or twisting it beyond belief.
I would rather have "shudra genetics" than run around accusing people of blasphemy and killing them like your fellow countrymen have been doing since the start of PM Imran Khan's tenure.
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DeleteThe reality is that Indira Gandhi did try to train LTTE but that was a failure . Prabhakaran complained they were given inferior and defective weapons. It was MGR that was more responsible providing training than the Indian government. Apart from this they tied up with PLO, IRA and other Marxist nationalist organizations prevalent in the 70 and 80s. PLO back then were a pretty solid fighting force, now of course they are basically become the police of the IDF in the West Bank. Sad but there it is.
ReplyDelete"Brahmins" and Rajputs can be courageous on an individual level but utter failures in strategic thinking and aggression. Kodava Cariappa wanted to bomb Karachi and invade Islamabad during 1965 and have lunch there. Pandit Nehru and his fellow Brahman generals vetoed this idea.
Interesting that after the failed attempts of speaking basic telugu and Tamil, he reverted to using words like "chutiya". Reminds of a poster on historum with multiple accounts called Ajanbahu who also suffered from a bipolar disorder with various complexes and had a fetish for Iranians
And Indias later intervention in Sri Lanka was a complete and utter disaster under the Brahman Rajiv Gandhi and Sundarji. Sundarji was actually a very accomplished warrior and strategist but he was out of his element in Sri Lanka as his main focus was Punjab(operation Blue star) and Pakistan. Niyogi (aka Boya, Kapu and Vishwakarma convert) PVN Rao would have made more sound decisions had he been in charge .
DeleteSinhalas defeated LTTE with minimal contribution from India apart from some intelligence. BEfore some one gets their knickers in a knot claiming Sinhalas are descended from "martial" Iranian Aryans lol -Sinhalas are mostly a mixture of Keralites, Oriyas and Telugus with some Tamil thrown in for good measure.
Heck the general who oversaw the destruction of LTTE Sarath Fonsek and Prabhakaran belonged to the same caste originating in southern TN. But many Karaiyars got Sinhalized into Karawa.
Shut the fuck up, dumb autist Australoid
DeleteDont make reach out of your screen and slap some sense into you
"Shut the fuck up, dumb autist Australoid
DeleteDont make reach out of your screen and slap some sense into you"
LOL, I am going to leave this up here. As impotent online threats always give me a kick. Relax my fellow fellow Boya Kapu mix convert, why all the anger
There are some people who are so incredibly lonely and pathetic rather like an abused dog , they prefer to be hang with people who kick and humiliate them repeatedly as thats the only company they manage to have. All the time entertaining grandiose notions that they maintain a harem of hot white chicks, when in reality a leper with herpes has a better shot with Gisele Bunchen that he does with a Walmart scooter hippo.
DeleteI dunno this creatures enjoys spending hours coming up with even a semi coherent sentence , never an entire paragraph. But i do enjoy taking less than a half a second to delete all his pathetic efforts . Please keep posting. Your impotent anger and cucked rage is amusing to view and further emasculate.
DeleteForgot to mention tribals such as gonds, bhils and Kallars and others have a better military record against Muslims or even british than Kshatriyas or brahmins(whose military contribution outside a royal association is non existent) .
DeleteMuslim troops dreaded the Kallars certainly more than any Iyengar. They were notorious for harassing soldiers and stealing their horses.
50 kallars were enough to hold 10,000 Muslims in check
https://books.google.ae/books?id=eAEyAmYRNNQC&pg=PA44&lpg=PA44&dq=kallars+horses+ramaswami&source=bl&ots=Q5m_2qfwVC&sig=ACfU3U3IULAE-k7wDZMQ5rGvntgZRkCXhg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiX0OatvKPyAhX0weYKHStUBVYQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=kallars%20horses%20ramaswami&f=false
Forgot to mention, apart from these- Boyas and Bedas were the backbone of Tipu sultans troops. Apart from the Boya converts to Brahminism such as Krishna Rao and Shamaiya Iyengar.
DeleteHi YSV, what's your opinion about Ashwamedha Yajna. Every guy seems to give his own opinion. Was horse sacrificed or is it some kind of allegory.
DeleteIt was likely every bit as ghastly ,bloody and perverse as "anti nationals" like to portray it and thats ok. Modern caste Hindus are simply squeamish and over sensitive and hence their hysteria and mewling over tribals and their customs. Ancient aryas and dravidians were far more brutal than any tribals today.
DeleteAll this aside there was a religious significance to Ashwameda as the horse is an animal corresponding to the sun or masculine energies. The horse after its ritual copulation with the queen was sacrificed, dissected and examined for its own nidas and pingals i think.
One of my comments (where i talk about the improbability of Shamaiya Iyengar being boya convert and improbability of Niyogis being boya, kapu and vishwakarma convert) didn't show up. It's probably in the approval queue
DeleteYou already wrote a blog post on Ashwameda Yajna, right? Or have I got it wrong?
DeletePichi luchanna kodukkaa poi nee amma ne dengu
ReplyDelete"Sinhalas are mostly a mixture of Keralites, Oriyas and Telugus with some Tamil thrown in for good measure."
ReplyDelete--- you forgot native aboriginal contribution to the sinhalas especially from vedda like groups. Anyways, coastal caste-hindu oriyas who migrated some 2,400 years ago to Sri lanka had very little admixture from the tribals so it's quite possible that the elite of that group would have looked a bit different from the tribals. Even today, many upper caste hindus from coastal orissa are fair skin(by induan standards) and 'sharp featured' .
"Boyas and Bedas were the backbone of Tipu sultans troops. Apart from the Boya converts to Brahminism such as Krishna Rao and Shamaiya Iyengar" --- While boyas/bedars indeed served under Tipu Sultan, i find it highly highly improbable that boyas would have been as easily accepted into the brahmin fold as you are assuming. I find it highly improbable that Shaimaiya Iyengar's ancestor was a boya. Just because brahmins engaged in non-priestly pursuits like in administration or army, it doesn't that such brahmins are mostly 'converts' from other groups.
"Niyogi (aka Boya, Kapu and Vishwakarma convert)" ---- Highly, highly improbable.
Don't get me wrong and i hope that i don't offend you but somehow i think that living in a liberal, open society of the west has made you to view your history through such lenses where social mobility and integration into elite groups was easy, which was definetely not the case except for some special circumstances.
"I find it highly improbable that Shaimaiya Iyengar's ancestor was a boya. Just because brahmins engaged in non-priestly pursuits like in administration or army, it doesn't that such brahmins are mostly 'converts' from other groups."
DeleteCaste system in south before late Vijayanagar anyway was very fluid. Veerashiava, Veeravaishnava and Ramanuja sects converted many to Brahmanism.
"Niyogi (aka Boya, Kapu and Vishwakarma convert)" ---- Highly, highly improbable.
Tongue in cheek
"Don't get me wrong and i hope that i don't offend you but somehow i think that living in a liberal, open society of the west has made you to view your history through such lenses where social mobility and integration into elite groups was easy, which was definetely not the case except for some special circumstances."
I am not married to any of these theories. Just exploring all ideas. Anyway I think you can see my motivation for most of these types of comments.
My living in the west has nothing to do with how I view Indian society. Actually I believed that caste system was rather rigid but after reading the works of Susan Bayly, Cynthia Talbot, Burton Stein as well the description of the societies in native folkore lead me to re imagine the social structure of southern societies anyway. Even this has caveats. I mentioned this lasted from the time of rise of pastoral and agrararian groups such as Hoysalas, Chalukyas etc to late Vijayanagar(where society pretty much froze roughly to the structure we have today).
I would say the reverse- though you yourself are not quite typical of North Indian suvarna (from what I read of your posts), that culture very much informs to a large degree the lens through which you view Indian history and seem to have difficulty accepting views that societies in India would have different structures than is traditionally accepted.
Actually your state Bihar was exceptional among Hindi speaking states for its heterodox customs as it was known as land of Asuras.
"--- you forgot native aboriginal contribution to the sinhalas especially from vedda like groups. "
DeleteYes you find that in Sinhalas and Tamils.
"Anyways, coastal caste-hindu oriyas who migrated some 2,400 years ago to Sri lanka had very little admixture from the tribals so it's quite possible that the elite of that group would have looked a bit different from the tribals. Even today, many upper caste hindus from coastal orissa are fair skin(by induan standards) and 'sharp featured' .
Orissa doesnt get much attention from history writers. I read a theory that since writers of south and East history are usually from Bengal, Andhra and TN , they have little interest in pursuing Orissa (Bengalis especially dislike Orissa, AP is resentful that Kalinga is considered Oriyan, and Tamils are perhaps upset about Kalabhras and Kharavela)
South East Asia was likely colonized from Orissa culturally ,though tamils later brought it under their military control. However it was Hindu beliefs that flowed from Orissa, pretty much all of Mahayana Buddhism emanated in Asia from what is today Masulipatnam in AP.
I do not know about Kharavela but are not Kalabhras originally from Karnataka? That was what I heard.
DeleteNo one knows for sure. Orissa was considered the strongest possibility . There is also a theory which i am leaning towards- that it is an allegory for the disruption of Brahmin culture and status quo (such as Brahmadeya/agraham). There was no invasion as such
Deletehttps://www.quora.com/Who-are-the-Kalapirars-and-what-did-they-do-to-Tamils
Read Siva Loganathans answer. Long, but worth it.
a relevant excerpt
Delete"During the reign of Neṭuñcaṭaiyaṉ, a Brahmin complains to the king that the land, Vēḷvikkuṭi, which was donated to the Brahmins by the king’s ancestors, has been abrogated by the Kaḷabhra. Neṭuñcaṭaiyaṉ resolves the dispute by donating the said land to the Brahmins after the latter allegedly prove their land claim.
From this single inscription alone many speculations have been made. It’s been postulated that the entire Tamil country experienced an “interregnum”, a “dark age” even, between 3rd and 6th centuries A.D. due to the alleged Kaḷabhra conquest and displacement of the native rulers. It’s further suggested the Kaḷabhras were of heterodox persuasion, perhaps Jain, due to their alleged infringement of the Brahmadeya. The inscriptions of the Pallava and Chalukya rulers from the 7th and 8th centuries A.D. do attest to the presence of the Kaḷabhra alongside the traditional three dynasties of the Tamil country, namely, the Cholas, Cheras and Pandyas, who are featured as the adversaries of these rulers during their own time and in the time of their ancestors.
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A more plausible scenario could be that Neṭuñcaṭaiyaṉ is trying to appropriate a land from some other unwilling Shudra peasantry to grant Brahmadeya and to claim legitimacy over the contested land he invokes his ancestor from the Sangam era (1st to 3rd century A.D.) as the initiator of the land grant which the Brahmins had rightfully possessed until the evil Kaḷabhras illegally abrogated it. It’s far-fetched that the Brahmins would have waited until the rule of Neṭuñcaṭaiyaṉ to reclaim their land when they could have done that with one of his six predecessors. It seems the whole history was concocted to legitimize a contested land grant.
No Chola nor Pallava inscriptions mention any Kaḷabhra interregnum hence it probably didn’t happen at all. Whatever conflict that may have taken place between the Pandyas and Kaḷabhras may have been more of a local affair. Yet the Kaḷabhras did exist by at least the 7th century A.D. Had the Kaḷabhras been a major dynasty as they are currently seen then they ought to have left traces of their own presence but they haven’t left any. This would imply they were merely short-lived petty chiefs."
I read them. That man has posted a highly well-educated comment. I read through it and found a lot of interesting facts which I did not know before.
DeleteThank you for sharing.
"typical of North Indian suvarna (from what I read of your posts)" --- Dear YSV, i am not a savarna, i am from kurmi jaati which is presentky categorized as OBC .
Delete"seem to have difficulty accepting views that societies in India would have different structures than is traditionally accepted" ---
I used to believe that caste system was quite fluid before the british period( i believe nicholas dirks was the proponent of this view) however , after the recent barrage of gebetic studies start pouring in , i had to amend my views. David Reich, the harvard geneticist, was apparently shocked when he looked at the genetic data. Apparently, the group with the longest standing endogamy in mainland india is actually a southern group ,Vysya(i believe they are Komati Chettiars).
Reich talks about how this group has received very little gene inflow from outside over the past 2000 years. I believe that's why David Reich has criticised Dirks in his book "Who we are, How we got here".
The case of Vysya is also taught in medical textbooks as they have higher than normal frequency of a mutation which makes them more susceptible to anaesthetics.
There are obvious exceptions like the marathas (but even there the 96 kul of marathas had a hierarchy where upper ranked groups didn't give their daughters to lower ranked grouos in marriages) but
integration into elite groups especially of males seem like the exceptions not the norms.
"Actually your state Bihar was exceptional among Hindi speaking states for its heterodox customs as it was known as land of Asuras." --- I am fully aware of the heterodox customs of bihar, upper castes like bhumihars and even maithili brahnin s indulged in meat eating and animal scarifices. The culture and food habits of bihar is closer to bengal than it's to north-west india.
Re Orissa,you are right that orissa gets short end of the stick by many historians. Regarding their travel to south-east asia, i believe there is even a festival known as bali jatra celebrated in orissa to commemorate the travel of ancient oriyas to south-east asia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bali_Jatra
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DeleteI didnt say you were suvarna but you viewed it through these lens.
DeleteAs for the genetic data and endogamy- as I mentioned before endogamy becomes meaningless if your caste was a big umbrella groupings in the past. The idea of endogamy does not exclude the possibility that other communities get your caste branding. Anyway I never caste was fluid everywhere - and I mentioned it became rigidified during mid to late Vijayanagar which is pre British.
Not just food customs but even the methods of worship- Bihar is probably the state with the least amount of large temples not because they were poor (it was one of the richest provinces prior to 1857 and was impoverished as a punishment for the rebellion) but they prefer tantric worship, animal sacrifices , tribal megalithic rituals etc . No Brahmins are required for these. These were considered Asura or Vratya.
"These were considered Asura or Vratya." --- @YSV, just asking but which texts mention this ? They have to be pre-gupta as things changed post Gupta era.
DeleteRe lack of large temples in bihar, i think they are pretty much absent even in most parts of north india. The usual reason given is that they were destroyed by islamic invaders.
a Kurmi from Bihar, or rather Bihari American, Kunal Singh said it best
Delete////Also, there is historically no religion as "Hinduism" (although
there is such a thing as "Brahmanism"). There is no mention
of a "Hindu religion" in any Brahmanical shastra. Prior to the 8th
century A.D., Buddhism was the religion in this region. Before, the
rise of Buddhism in 3rd century B.C., Punjabis followed the Vedic
religion as set out in the RigVeda. Manu himself (around 700 B.C.)
in his writings "forbids Brahmins to visit Punjab" because
Brahmanism was rejected by the Vedic Aryas and the safety of Brahmins
themselves was in question. So how could there have been
"Hindu Punjabis" in Punjab without a Brahmanical priesthood.
You are right that there was no religion called "Hinduism." The
religion of the people of Bharata was a collection of many deities
belonging to different societies. The Vedic Aryas that you talk about
were supportive of the Vedic deities such as Indra, the Devas and
Vishnu. Then there were the heretics who supported the various Asuras.
Uptil the arrival of Buddhism in the 3rd century B.C., the Vedics
(ancient Punjabis) followed the Vedic religion: considered
the RigVeda (written by Vedic poets) to be their "granth";
worshiped Vedic Gods like Indra, Rudra; considered Ravi to be
the holy river. They were also quite ethnocentric - wishing
to stay within their "aryavarta" in Saptha Sindhva (Punjab/Sindh
region) away from the dasus to the south.
Not quite south, Mr. Gurupdesh Singh. The expansion of the Arya
culture (even it did not necessarily imply the expansion of people)
did indeed involve the subdivision of societies into castes. You are
right in that regard that the Brahmins attempted to create and enforce
a caste system and it originated in north-western UP. But the people
who were opposed to it weren't only "dasus," I assume you mean
"darker-skinned" or "tribal" or the Naga worshipping people.
As I had mentioned to you before, many of the Asuras were created due
to the resistance posed by Biharis to the expansion of the Arya
culture. It would be a mistake to see the "asuras" as simply the
result of the "native" or "tribal" population though they were
certainly a part of it. Many of the earlier migrants from the
north-west had also become quite opposed to Vedic deities. So first
you had Bali in north Bihar who almost destroyed Indra, but Indra
finally managed to vanquish him. Vishnu died once, but was reborn
again in the form of a midget. You have to realize that the people of
north Bihar, though Janaka was said to have migrated from the Punjab
region, weren't all "arya" or even light-skinned. It was natural for
them to pose this theological/sociological/ideological resistance to
the Vedic gods of the north-west.
The culture of Magadha was influenced by the mixture of both the
"arya" society and the Naga culture. Just below Rajgir, the ancient
capital of Magahda, is the ChotaNAGpur plateu. Here some artifacts
confirming cobra worship have been found, quite similar to some in the
Harappa society.
Many lighter-skinned people ended up in the southern (Magadha) regions
of Bihar. They were termed "vratyas." They were considered
genetically related to "arya" culture but were socially too different.
People who subscribe to the "aryan migration theory" deem them to be
among the first migrants who migrated inwards due to perhaps the large
influx of people in the north west or even ideological/cultural
differences.
They were responsible for clearing the forests and spoke
Deletean earlier language related to the "arya" people but not quite the
same and had trouble properly pronouncing certain words -- i.e Bihar
instead of Vihar. ;-) They were naturally regarded as uncouth and
improper by the "arya" society of UP and northern Bihar. Their mode
of worship was a form of ancestor worship. They used to raise
"stupas" in remembrance of their ancestors, sometimes under trees and
the trees were thus said to be haunted by this or that "vratya." This
notion of stupas would eventually evolve into the Buddhist stupas.
These vratyas were given the option by the Brahmins of north Bihar to
reenter the "arya" folds. A rite of the "vratya-soma" was invented
for this purpose. You drank this potion during some religious ritual
and then you could become "arya" again. But unfortunately for them,
there weren't many takers. So the Brahmins of north Bihar finally
infiltrated Magadha. They wanted to create a society based along
caste lines. But they found it necessary to accomodate the local
practices. So the Brahmins decided that the stupas of the various
castes had to be a certain height (i.e. height to the head for
Brahmins, to the shoulders for kshatriyas etc.)
What eventually ended up happening was that the Brahmins themselves
became mixed, married with Sudra castes, in Magadha. Consequently the
Brahmins of north Bihar immediately demoted them to the status of
"Brahmabandhus." The kshatriyas also would become mixed and this
would cause grave concern to people in the north. The Bhrhadratha
dynasty of the Yadav clan would start off the Magadha quest for
empire. The Saisnagas would follow (whether Ajatsatru or Bimbisara
belong to this dynasty is still controversial). However, the
interesting thing about Saisnagas is that Saisunaga himself was the
offspring of a Licchavi King in the north and a "nagar sobhini" (a
beauty queen). He was abandoned by his mother and was found by an
official of Magadha. He thus gained entry into royalty and according
to some accounts was elected by a group of wise men as King after the
previous dynasty had ended. Thus what was rejected by the north, was
accepted in the south. The Saisnagas would be followed by the Nandas
of shudra birth who would extend Magadha all the way to modern day
Gujarat, destroy virtually all existing kshatriya dynasties in their
path (Mahapadma Nanda). And finally Brahmanas would come to Magadha's
courts even from the north-west -- i.e. Panini -- and during the
Nandas Magadha would become a great learning center due to their
ambition and patronization.
Soon Buddha and Mahavira Jain would follow the path of Saisnaga.
Though they would be born in the north, it would be the kings of the
south which would give their philosophy prominence. Buddha would
become enlightened in Gaya. Mahavir Jain would be influenced by the
Ajivikas and Makhali Gosala of Magadha. They would find the "vratya"
society of south Bihar fertile ground for their new ideas. And the
"Gaya Asura" would be born. Needless to say Bali being among the
first asuras of Bihar, the Gaya Asura (no I'm not making this up, he
is actually mentioned in the texts of the Brahmins) was the last. It
was said that the Gaya Asura became so powerful that a mere visit or
an offering to this deity gave people heaven.
And then came the Brahminical counter, from Kashmir to the south, the
systematic removal of Buddhism by several Brahmins some of whom
usurped the throne to just accomplish that task!
Certainly there was Islamic iconoclasm that occured in north India. that applies to Bihar too (Nalanda university being the most famous example) . However what they destroyed seems mostly to be Buddhist structures rather than large temples that you see in the south.
DeleteAshraf Ghani did not even put up a fight. He just fled to the airport and left Afghanistan in a matter of hours after the Taliban encircled Kabul.
ReplyDeleteThe President of Afghanistan's transitional govt is Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar.
Looks like it is back to 1996-2001 for India. Only, this time, the Taliban will have:
1. Advanced weapons seized from the Afghan forces.
2. More territory than it ever held before.
3. Official recognition.
And it will not last for just 5 years. It will last for several decades.
India must learn to live with it all. There is no other way.
On another note, do you not think the political situation in South Asia is eerily similar to Southeast Asia several centuries prior? I mean, China established and supported the Malaccan Sultanate and totally destroyed Hinduism in present-day Malaysia and Indonesia. Those countries are Islamic and have Chinese cultural influences for a reason.
Will history repeat itself, with China using Pakistan and Taliban's Afghanistan, to wipe out Hinduism from the face of this planet?
This is not new. China and Britain have been using Islam as a tool to undermine various peoples and countries, more so Britain than China, if you include history.
DeleteWhile Britain is now being consumed by Islam, China is still at large and getting away with all kinds of murders.
India, if you ask me, had all the aces in its hands. If only, IF ONLY, New Delhi knew to play its aces properly after 9/11, India would not be in the situation it is in today. Its geopolitical stand would have been stronger.
Now India must learn to live with everything around it. Having lost or rather squandered everything, the only option available for India now is to avoid a conflict with China (China is wayyyyyyy toooooooo strong for India to even dream of fighting) and learn to engage with Pakistan and its proxy govt in Afghanistan.
As much as I loathe Pakistan, they are here to stay. The only available option for India is to build a functional and pragmatic relationship with Pakistan (without going full Bollywood, of course) and engage Afghanistan through Pakistan. India has no other choice.
""Brahmins" and Rajputs can be courageous on an individual level but utter failures in strategic thinking and aggression. Kodava Cariappa wanted to bomb Karachi and invade Islamabad during 1965 and have lunch there. Pandit Nehru and his fellow Brahman generals vetoed this idea."
ReplyDeletePlease check the date/year here. Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru died in 1964. Are you suggesting that he vetoed an idea from his deathbed?
Niyogi (aka Boya, Kapu and Vishwakarma convert) PVN Rao would have made more sound decisions had he been in charge .
DeleteThe same PVN Rao was in power when Mohammed Najibullah was ousted from power in Afghanistan back in 1992.
Najibullah was planning to flee to India after that but PVNR blocked his entry in a pathetic attempt to not antagonize the Northern Alliance (known otherwise as the Islamic State of Afghanistan which was backed by India, Russia, Turkey and Iran) as his prime focus was the Taliban (who went on to establish the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in 1996 and were recognized and backed by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and the UAE).
That decision to block Najibullah led to the latter's death at the hands of the Taliban in 1996. One of his daughters, Moska Najib, is an Indian citizen though.
But just think about this: Zahir Shah (who was in power for 39 years from 1934 until his ouster by his cousin Mohammed Daoud Khan in 1973) was still alive at that time. India should have engaged him and also given sanctuary to Najibullah.
Both Najibullah and Zahir Shah are respected across Afghanistan even today. More so Zahir Shah than Najibullah. And both of them were feared by Rawalpindi (Pakistan's REAL capital) more than ever.
After the Taliban were ousted in 2001, Zahir Shah returned to Afghanistan in 2002 to a warm welcome by all Afghans. He had plans to run for President in 2003 but Bush 43 blocked it upon the request of Rawalpindi (who were already aiding and abetting the Taliban and al-Qaeda even as they received America's largesse). Zahir Shah died in 2007.
But imagine if India would have given sanctuary to Mohammed Najibullah instead of allowing him to die at the hands of the Taliban. India would have not only had far more leverage in Afghanistan today, India could have also helped Afghanistan become an independent strong nation on its own. Zahir Shah was supporting the violent uprisings in KPK and Balochistan against Pakistan starting in the 1950s till his ouster in 1973. India would be in a far more powerful position today than it actually is.
Now Afghanistan is Pakistan's playground and India has no leverage there, or anywhere else in its own neighborhood. That is why I suggest that India engage Pakistan instead of fighting with them.
Sorry that should be Pandit Shastri not Nehru.
DeletePVNR wasnt perfect but he still had the best national security and economy record over the last 40 years.
True but that in itself does not say much about India as a Republic.
DeleteI suspect the problem is New Delhi's hyper-focus on Pakistan first and China next. No leader actually made any effort to worry about securing the country's primary interests which every normal country does.
India does not even produce its own weapons to this day. Meanwhile, in comparison, Turkey started out just a few decades ago and is now a significant player in the global defense industry. India acquired drones only last year, after more than 70 countries had already incorporated them into their armies.
I am afraid this state of affairs will never change, at least not in the foreseeable future. Sad and bitter but true.
"I am afraid this state of affairs will never change, at least not in the foreseeable future. Sad and bitter but true.
DeleteWell this is the situation when a country is composed of teachers pets and pencil pushers rather than independent thinkers,strategists and warriors. The former however have many delusions of grandeur and their lack of physical capability and sense of assertions leads them to a lot cope "we brahmans wuzz warriors" or insert any other sedentary caste here. Focussing on the past rather than now and the future. Unable to even get even a sneer from a obese smelly woman, they imagine they are "drowning" in women. A character in Indiachan who was weird and toxic even by their low standards known as "gopanna fag" typifies this persona.
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DeleteHey Adeel Raja aka Jahan Soz, despite being spat upon repeatedly, why do you still insist on giving Rao a blow job? Just stop hanging on to his balls already!
DeleteAs a "teacher's pet" (this was in school, of course, not college) and "pencil pusher" (I fit in here until I can prove to myself otherwise) myself, do you have any advice or tips for me to change?
DeleteUnable to even get even a sneer from a obese smelly woman, they imagine they are "drowning" in women.
By any chance, is "gopanna fag" from Indiachan our resident shithead? Or is the latter a Pakistani as you previously identified?
Only a virgin screams at others calling them virgins. Congratulations, you just exposed yourself even more.
DeleteIs it any surprise that Pakistan has the world's largest share of sexually frustrated men and by extension porn consumers?
https://twitter.com/TheHarrisSultan/status/1428464347039285262
"Now Afghanistan is Pakistan's playground and India has no leverage there, or anywhere else in its own neighborhood. That is why I suggest that India engage Pakistan instead of fighting with them."
DeletePakistan likes to boast that Taliban is a victory for Pakistan is it percieved as the militia trained by ISI. Pakistan is stuck in a time warp of 1995-2001. But that is not the case todayThis Taliban is not pro Pakistan at all. They are nationalists not limited to Pushtuns.
But the Taliban will look to consolidate themselves in Afghanistan first. After which they would want to build a somewhat functioning economy before indulging in any adventure, if at all.
DeleteWe must always consider the worst-case scenario before taking action, even if it does not happen as imagined: Afghanistan is Pakistan's playground and is basically their extra real estate.
India has no other choice but to engage Pakistan. I know it is not a desirable position to be in, it is really ugly, but there is no other choice given that China has already eaten away the borders that were previously controlled by India.
"Afghanistan is Pakistan's playground and is basically their extra real estate."
DeleteNot any longer. those days are long gone.This current Taliban is a rather organic growth rather than an imposition by the ISI.
"India has no other choice but to engage Pakistan."
Nope it does not. Baluchistan is slowly getting restive again. Now is the opportunity to sabotage the gwadar project greatly damaging Chinese prospects. Dubai (for whom Gwadar is a mortal threat) can help here too. There is a reason why Pakistan slowly tried to pivot away from UAE over the last 10 years . They actually believed they could set up the next Dubai . hahahaha
I beg to differ.
Delete1. As for Taliban and Pakistan, please read what Christine Fair has to say on this issue:
https://shortbustoparadise.wordpress.com/2021/08/18/the-unwinnable-war/
https://shortbustoparadise.wordpress.com/2021/08/18/americas-leadership-has-presented-false-choices-in-afghanistan/
Also as I stated before, Afghanistan's supply lines run through Pakistan. It is for this reason, the Taliban will not go against Pakistan as you think.
2. Gwadar will never challenge Dubai in any significant way. It is driven mainly by Chinese investment. Chinese investments do not create thriving metropolitan cities like Dubai, Singapore, Tokyo or Sydney. They only create basket cases like Zambia, the Republic of the Congo, Sri Lanka and Cambodia.
3. Balochistan is a wild goose chase. Once again, you are talking while putting Pakistan into perspective. I am talking while putting China into perspective. India's biggest security threat is not terrorism as Modi assumes but China's PLA. Sabotaging China's Gwadar project is impossible. China's PLA and Pakistan's Army have achieved interoperability. With the Taliban in Afghanistan, there is simply no way Balochistan can be cashed in on, at least not by India with its pathetic outdated military and its isolation in Asia (even Iran and Russia have moved away from India).
4. China is militarily far far superior to India and I have stated this fact on this blog a lot of times before, only for you to dismiss them completely each time. This despite China eating away India's borders without firing a single bullet. Try reading Pravin Sawhney's and Ghazala Wahab's book "Dragon on Our Doorstep" when you get the chance. The Chinese Dragon is not on our doorstep anymore, it is now inside our house.
It is for these aforementioned reasons, I continue to stand by and defend my assertion: India should engage Pakistan.
1. Christine Faire's fixation is on Pakistan as she sees pretty much the font of evil in the world. Of course she is often right such as the Kashmir issue which make her a youtube hit among Indian fans but often she is wildly off base. Nowhere did she mention that Taliban presented a threat to Pakistans own stability in the middle of the decade and the Pakistan population turned sharply against it once they got a taste of their own medicine. There is no shortage of supply lines for even a land locked nation these days.
Delete3. There is no need to sabotage anything but enough to create high insurance requirements and more security perimeters will quickly make it less desirable .
4. I never said that China's military is inferior to India's . All I speculated was that china is so opaque that we really cannot gauge its strength. Chinese morale in the military is not very high and they are often opium and porn addicts which erodes discipline considerably. As you know I am not a fan of the Indian military either. It seems victory doesnt so much belong the best man but the least mediocre
"It is for these aforementioned reasons, I continue to stand by and defend my assertion: India should engage Pakistan."
You are free to pursue this fools errand. But I am a populist in this regard- no engagement with a tin pot terror exporting state.
1. Pakistanis turned against the Taliban back then but eventually they turned around to support the Taliban after their astounding victory in Afghanistan.
Delete3. That India can try but now that Afghanistan is not exactly a safe hiding space for Baloch rebels, how will it happen?
4. I am afraid your speculation is based on the premises that China is not as strong as it shows. I speculate that they are far more stronger than they show outside. And in the age of killer robots, Lethal Autonomous Weapons (LAWs), outer space warfare (China has released its rival to the US GPS and can actually knock down GPS satellites from space during war, that was why Trump started the US Space Force in 2019), electronic and electromagnetic warfare, cyber warfare, etc., the morale of the military addicted to opium/porn can quickly turn around and they can easily crush India. In fact, the power disparity between India and China is close to Saddam Hussein's Iraq and the USA.
Your stance on Pakistan could have had a stronger footing had India not forsaken its decades old friends like Iran and Russia for Trump. But that ship has long sailed and India is basically isolated in Asia. This is the bitter reality.
Almost forgot to add: I certainly am NOT a fan of Pakistan. I loathe that country for its vicious persecution of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians and its support for terrorism. But the bitter reality is, they are right next door. We cannot have peace at home when the guy next door is hostile.
DeleteAll I insist is that we have a working relationship with Pakistan (ideally economic) where we approach Pakistan not as a bitter enemy but at the same time not go full Bollywood. We need to see Pakistan as a neutral entity through which we can meet some of our own objectives whilst not affecting them, but at the same time, find effective ways to guard ourselves from potential trouble that could emanate from Pakistan. That is it.
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Delete1. When state propaganda promotes that this is Pak victory certainly there would be a euphoria , though short lived , patting themsleves on the back. THis is not reciprocated.
Delete3. They need not be in Afghanistan, When did i say this
4. I am sure they have much superior technology but their war games are really not geared towards the Indian theater at all. Have you learnt nothing about the Afghanistan debacle?
No one respects a country which makes unilateral peace with its enemy neighbor which not only has not stopped terrorist incusion but also denied their existence. It is one thing to lie, it is another thing to accept someone else's baldfaced lies when every knows that is the case and plead with them for peace.
Any such "peace" only signals weakness and even will demoralize the populace and military making them weak.
3. May I remind you that Baloch rebels actually used Afghanistan as its base before the Taliban took over.
Delete4. What do you mean by this? Why do you think China started its Western Theater Command in 2017? To confront Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan? No, they started it with India in mind. Why do you think they confronted the Indian army on Doklam in 2017 and unilaterally changed the LAC from the 1993 agreement to the 1959 Chinese claim? By the way, India does not recognize the LAC anymore, it is now called "Border Areas" (read the September 10 Moscow agreement between Subrahmanyam Jaishankar and Wang Yi).
Yes, India is not China's primary enemy, the US is, and Xi Jinping has explicitly said this. But why do you think China is preparing so aggressively for war? In 2023 or 2024, unless India does something to avert a war, there WILL be a war. China will test a truncated version of its new war concept: "War with Machines in the Lead". Fighting with Taiwan and Japan will not be easy as both of them are separated from China by the sea and have America backing them. Australia is too far away. So the only option is India, which has a pathetic outdated bloated military and is also led by an incompetent government and generals. All things considered, from the Chinese military standpoint, India is the easiest target.
Also China is keeping India engaged in Ladakh so that they can expand their footprint in the Indian Ocean via Sri Lanka and Bangladesh. China is literally preparing for an all-out war.
Oh, and here is something else for you:
https://futurism.com/the-byte/china-ultra-large-spacecraft
Again, you could have said this in the 1990s or the 2000s, not now. Back then, India had working relationships with both Iran and Russia. India ALIENATED them for Trump (he arm-twisted Modi) and both countries have now warmed up to Pakistan.
It is another matter that the Indian government's tacit approval of anti-Muslim bigotry by RSS members has totally tarnished its standing in the wider Muslim world. I will not even get into that!
As I stated many times before (only for you to ignore or dismiss them outright, sadly), you cannot make peace with a military power that is superior to you by leaps and bounds. You can only do that with those against whom you have a winning chance. The "surgical strikes" of 2016 and 2019 did little to help India's stance. If anything, it exposed India's military bluntness. Abhinandan's capture by Pakistan should have sent us a warning but it seems to have missed.
To elaborate on this further, we are not talking about countries like USA which have some sense of normalcy and respect for human beings, we are talking about China, a totally immoral/amoral country that does not see countries and humans as they are but as sources of money, pivots for geopolitical strategy or enemies to be obliterated.
No need to worry about demoralization or appearing weak, Indian victory against Pakistan in 1948, 1971 and 1999, and China in 1967 and 1986, did little to nothing to help the morale of the country. If anything, it only made them more complacent. There is a Tamil idiom: Buffaloes lying in the heavy rain. Mate, we are not talking about a normal country/region like the Middle East, Russia, Japan or Turkey, we are talking about defending a country whose population has the temperament of a buffalo!
Once again, I am not asking for "unilateral" peace with Pakistan, I am asking for a mutually beneficial agreement/understanding which I believe is possible. In other words, a working relationship which is neither hot nor cold but just...normal. There is a difference.
Rajnath Singh was right when he said India needed peace with Pakistan a few months ago. But Modi in his ego rejected it.
Anything else you wish to add?
wow I am speechless. Most of your facts are in order (some are not) but you seem to not be able to process the information due to your lack of understanding of human nature. Yep its just that.
Deletethat leads you to some utterly bizarre conclusions. Further discussion would be futile.
You lavada chod , you are talking like you yourself are some great warrior and only you know who is martial and who is not
ReplyDeleteBehenchod, you must be less than 150 lbs for sure in real life. you know you'll get your neck snapped if you go around barking in real life, so you be a bitch on this blog because you its the only place you have any "power"
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Deletejust fyi , I see some of your comments but most go into trash by default . It is amusing how easy you get triggered. Please keep posting. Good to see i can live in your head rent free.
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DeleteHave you made a post on Ashwameda Yajna, or do you plan to do so?
ReplyDeleteThat would be an interesting topic of discussion.
Also topics like Vratyastoma, etc., would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
Guys, have you checked out captain's blog recently?
ReplyDeleteI did, and I am unable to believe my eyes!
Let me introduce you to the Vadakayil Kalki Army! Led by none other than His Eminence Field Marshal Captain Vadakayil Himself!
I am not joking, check this out.
https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2021/08/gen-debdoot-sarkar-and-wife-col-suman.html
Even logos are being prepared for the same!
https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2021/08/logos-of-vadakayil-ashram-of-kalki.html
Are captain and his cult really living on Planet Earth in the Milky Way galaxy, or is he now in some parallel universe?
Will his Kalki Army defend India from the People's Liberation Army?
hahahaha! I think it is not so much an actual army but a spiritual one as he calls it a revolution of conscioiusness and started an ashram
Deleteand also started grifting
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U9bF6czrwOB-wCGr-_QIXqBKVpQfy_mQa-plodkUMI8/edit#gid=0
DONATIONS FOR "VADAKAYIL ASHRAM OF KALKI CONSCIOUSNESSES" HAS CROSSED 11 LAKHS
I dont know whether this can be considered evidence for those who are skeptical. This is a spreadsheet , not a Patreon, gofundme etc accounts where you can actually check the amount of donations on hand
Also the amounts are suspiciously repetitive such 1111 , 25108, 5108 etc. and variations of 108(1008,10,008 etc)
5000,10000 etc
It is all very shifty.
Also why call himself Field Marshall given his nautical background. Why not Fleet Admiral or Cheif of Naval Staff.
He grovels generally over the Indian army but speaks little of the navy. I wonder if he regrets his life choice and wishes to do a reset.
However you look at it, he has basically outed himself as a scammer.
DeleteEither he is scamming his followers that he has gotten so much money and is guilt-tripping them into donating to him.
Or he is scamming those who genuinely donated to his "cause", whatever that is.
Does this not amount to perjury?
I mean, this dude has three properties in some of the richest and greenest parts of Kerala and Karnataka. His son is well-educated, married and settled. He is awash with riches however you look at him.
DeleteYet he continues to scam people of their money.
What does this tell us about his character?
"Does this not amount to perjury?"
DeletePerjury only applies if he is lies under oath in court. Fraud is more likely but that has only a moral but no legal basis as he has not signed any agreement or contract.
Hahahaha so... The prophecy that Deep state was afraid of !!! . The kalki from Kerala is now ready to unleash his power of 12 stranded DNA the world . For years he kept it low-key by pretending to be sea captain , who for many years gave hints to his followers by posting his nude picks porn links sublimely brainwashed his followers by addressing himself as Guruji he eats beef is an alcoholic , swears in foul language is ready for his final showdown with rothschild.
DeleteOops...I did not know the meaning of the word and said it in a flow. Sorry!
DeleteBut yes, the problem lies with people who believe him blindly. Conman gonna con. People gotta be careful.
Sup boya dog
ReplyDeleteLOL Australoid dog, why did you delete my comment about Pandaranga burning Nellore to the ground and Boyas running like bitches him?
ReplyDeleteDid it make you look stupid?
I have no idea why someone is so upset that Boyas have a martial record as many tribes often do. Did a Boya poach your girlfriend/goat ? I dont know what is the issue here.
DeleteAnd yes some tribals with limited resources often got defeated by a superior force. whoop dido.Give yourself a medal over an ethnic group you are not associated with did something to the ancestors of someone you dont know about a 1000 years ago. The Chalukyas were not Brahmins though they may have appointed "brahmin " generals.
Anyhow ascribing victory to the ethnicity of generals is nonsensical. By this logic Gujarat conquered southern Indian not the Khilji Turks since Malik Kafur was the general.
I suppose Jamaica and Germany oversaw the greatest coalition since WWII for the Gulf War (1990) and its victory since Colin Powell and Norman Schwartzkopf led the charge.
Every now and then I let a comment like these pass as its a howler after howler as everyone can see.
Twitter drama btw rayatas vs Trads handles Martha vs Rajputs handles
ReplyDeleteBjp It coolies vs hyper nationalist handles is very entertaining . post 2019 victory has exposed modis weakness in leadership ,this has further divided Right wing community , pre 2014 these Grifters were earlier were congress supporters who jumped in to right wing bandwagon for the greed these Trojans will be demise of Bjp party
DEATH TO ISRAEL
ReplyDeleteBURN THEIR SHADOWS INTO THE GROUND
ReplyDelete"BURN THEIR SHADOWS INTO THE GROUND"
DeleteMore pearls of wisdom from the resident scholar. If I may offer an amendment. Shadows are often cast on the ground in case you didnt notice. So threatening to burn them into the ground even as a poetical conceit is simply nonsensical.
JEWS ARE VERMIN AND SCUM MEANT TO BE TAKEN ASIDE AND GENOCIDED
ReplyDeleteTHE POLACKS DID IT RIGHT BY FOLLOWING MARTIN LUTHER'S JEWISH DOCTRINE TO THE T
SET THE SYNAGOGUES ON FIRE
Typical ubermensch who can take on anyone in the world, but somehow the Jews manage to outsmart you
DeleteYou realise in this scenario, you are the bitch and ysv is your master since he decides whether your comments stay up or not lol
DeleteWhy is faggot bitch Adeel Raja aka Jahan Soz defecating on this blog instead of getting laid at some leather club?
DeleteIs it because he loves getting fucked in the ass by the blog admin?
Most comments just contain mindless rantings which I either delete or go straight to spam. But I will leave these here as a testament to his quickly degenerating mental faculties.
DeleteIt is sad and amusing at the same time.
Anyway Polacks being Catholic would not be following Martin Luther. It was due to the tolerance of King Sigismund to people of varied faiths that even vocally anti Catholic Reformists were allowed to take refuge in Catholic Poland. In the same vein he was respected a great deal by Jews as they also benefited from his liberal rule.
In fact Sigmund Freud is named after Sigismund (Sigmund is the Germanized form of Sigismund) in gratitude.
"Most comments just contain mindless rantings"
Deletecorrection - most of HIS comments . Obviously haha
According to this twitter handle vadakayil 2nd son is is a petty criminal and was denied a passport. few bloggers and social media influencers were aware of this father and son criminal duo even Ysv had earlier warned that he will soon start a sex cult like osho etc so this development was expected sooner or later d:)
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/goldenarcher/status/1429336852465545216
There is no evidence about those allegations about his second son so it is likely slander. However it is true that his younger son is a bit of a black sheep and is doing too well academically or even physically. ( he is borderline obese)
DeleteHey thats ok , some people are late bloomers. He is still young, let us hope he gets it sorted soon hopefully away from his fathers toxic influence. What I found amusing is that he constantly brags about his oldest Cornell(Rothschild) graduate son but never mentions the younger one. When we discussed this a couple of years ago , captain posted a pic ofhis son and praised him on his blog the next day hahahah
Delete"sheep and is doing too well academically or even physically. ( he is borderline obese)"
isnt doing too well*
Hahaha ... may be we can give some benefit of doubt regarding his 2 son but remember similar incident where his wife was slandered on qoura how he triggered his minions to Downvote answer he wanted qoura founder to tried in Indian court also a superstar who sent him to jail later he never mentioned him in his blog this is track record of our beloved captain . by the way there already exists another conman by name kalki bhagwan with his own ashram so captain might face copyright issue if he registers his new cult with similar name
DeleteIt was wrong of Jayanta Bhattacharya to drag Vadakayil's younger son into the slugfest. We need to focus on captain alone. Dragging his family into this slugfest is hitting the rock bottom and is just not done.
Deletepeople should not be carried away by mainstream news about Afghanistan this seems to be well coordinated psyops , for modi goverment this provides a timely distraction to make you forget petrol, diesel, gas, economy & keep the Taliban story alive..
ReplyDeleteSomethings are just plain screw ups than psy ops. The people at the helm of the U.S administration dont realize that events have a way of destroying the best laid plains .Hubris is always followed by Nemesis. Biden already frail and senile is overwhelmed. But nobody likes Kamala Harris, her approval ratings are shockingly low. So the administration is stuck.
DeleteI dont think Indians are too bothered about Afghanistan. This Taliban will be considerably more India friendly the previous one.
but bjp IT coolies like alok bhat etc is defending modi decision of giving refugee status to afghans this will create new set of problem that is already plaguing govt
DeleteIt looks like Afghan vice President Amrullah Saleh is pretty Pro-India, do you think India should back him?
Deletere Amrullah Saleh
DeleteIndia ,Dalai Lama aside, has a bad track record of sheltering and supporting its fugitive allies. I think Modi will sniff out if Taliban are pro India enough and if so will leave Amrullah to his fate.
Perhaps he can reside in Ghani's many gaudy palaces in Dubai.
As Abhijit Mitra put it -expecting Ashraf Ghani to be a authentic representative of the Afghan people is like assuming Arundhati Roy would be the prime minister of India. Ghani et al are sheltered cosmopolitan decandent types who were feted at Western cocktail party circuit completely oblivious of ground realities. The U.S generals couldnt care less as they were earning their stars and comissions the longer this nonsensical war dragged out.
DeleteProblem is, India has a bad track record of choosing allies itself. That is the source of the problem. The only exception to this rule was USSR/Russia but now India has completely delinked from Russia by signing hell a lot of defense deals with USA.
DeleteThe old Afghan govt is gone and the Taliban are in control of more territory than ever. Amrullah Saleh is irrelevant.
If you are talking about Panjshir, it is only a matter of time before they are all snuffed out (or maybe they already are). The Taliban are in an unassailable position. Pakistan's ISI is guiding them all the way. Christine Fair has been saying this for a long time now.
Ashraf Ghani was already a dead man walking. He did not even put up a fight and fled Afghanistan on August 15. What a coward.
Speaking of captain Vadakayil, does captain have homosexual tendencies?
ReplyDeleteI mean, check this out.
https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2021/08/vadakayil-ashram-of-kalki-conscousness.html
Particularly this comment:
https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2021/08/karkidaka-vavu-bali-2021-capt-ajit.html?showComment=1629849565203#c7413772630684626655
Look at his words:
"AS REGARDS COMMIE CUNT JAYANTA BHATTACHARYA CALLING SUMAN A WHORE AND DEBDOOT HER PIMP, THE LONG ARM OF THE LAW IS ALREADY IN MOTION..
WHEN HE IS IN JAIL I WILL VISIT HIM ( THERE SHALL BE NO GREASE ).. SOUND WILL COME PECHEEK PECHEEK .."
And also this:
https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2021/08/karkidaka-vavu-bali-2021-capt-ajit.html
This comment:
https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2021/08/logos-of-vadakayil-ashram-of-kalki.html?showComment=1629781922129#c1550872219694508741
"WE DONT CARE FOR THAT CUNT JAYANTA BHATTACHARYA..
I CAN PUNCH THIS COMMIE BONG UNCONSCIOUS , BY JUST FLEXING MY CHEST MUSCLES.. THERE IS NO NEED TO TAKE OUT MY PRICK TO WHIP HIS PANSY ASS."
Is he threatening to force Jayanta Bhattacharya into anal sex?
What is going on inside his head?
Another contribution of tribals to the fighting the British- the Cotiote war led by Pazhassi Raja and executed by Kerala tribals when moved into the forest. It is here that the British suffered their heaviest losses (per percentage of their troop strength) not 1857. Arthur Wellsley himself participated in these wars and suffered his first defeats.
ReplyDeleteTelugu troops (known as Telingas) were the backbone of Bahadur Shah Zafar , many even fought without pay. Though some of them even siezed a good chunk of his prized lands and started a "Telinga Raj" with no Brahman able to do anything about it. Same Telugus almost single handedly destroyed the Babri Masjid while the native UP Brahmans were twiddling their thumbs. UP people for the last 1400 years atleast for whatever reason have been among the most passive people on earth. As for Bhumihars haha, they are complete incompetents , hated by pretty much every caste including even the Maithili Brahmins for their atrocities and get their ass handed to them by Dalit militias.
Without Telugus and tribals, Bahadur Shah might as well have surrendered.
The tribals of Jharkhand and Kerala inflicted heavy losses on the British using just bows and arrows . Their record in this regard is far better than any suvarna.
Guptas and Mauryas did not venture in to tribal lands for the most part. Ashoka even termed these areas "unconquered"
DeleteOnly Mughals were successful as they simply burned the forests ,not just to get rid of the security threat but also to open them for agriculture.
Delete"Without Telugus and tribals, Bahadur Shah might as well have surrendered."
Surrendered without firing a shot I mean. But whatever Bahadur Shahs flaws he is not an Iranian who lived under foreign rule for 1500 years with practically zero resistance. Heck the Pahlavis were placed on the throne by the British in order to undermine the Russians. And Reza Shah was more Caucasian than Iranian.
And the Ayotallah is Azeri. Guess old habits die hard.
oh my god! Is this guy grovelling over Iranians because he considers them as his fellow Aryans as he is a brahmana? hahahahahaha
DeleteWow ok im not exactly a spring chicken but certainly not a senior citizen. I thought i would have to wait a couple of decades atleast to enter bizarroworld. I thought I would meet such characters as my imaginary loony friends when i suffering from senility and alzheimers*. Goddamn my blog can act as a roach motel sometimes . I lost count of the number of weirdos who have an unhealthy fixation either towards me or this space.
* hopefully not thanks to turmeric. touch wood
"As for Bhumihars haha, they are complete incompetents , hated by pretty much every caste including even the Maithili Brahmins for their atrocities and get their ass handed to them by Dalit militias."
Delete---- Now, while this is true that till the 90s and early 2000s, bhumihars were disliked by even other upper castes of bihar like Maithili brahmins and rajputs, they did have absolute control over most parts of magadh area. While it is also true that so-called dalit militias like MCC(Maoist Communist Center) inflicted heavy damage upon bhumihars, the reactionary miltia formed by bhumihars known as Ranveer sena took revenge for each and every act of theirs. It was due to these caste wars that bihar went up in flames in 90s. Lalu didn't like bhumihars himself so he pretty much turned a blind eye to the exploits of MCC. One must remember that bhumihars were barely 3%-4% of the population while the dalits plus lower OBCS who formed the bulk of MCC were around 35%-40% of the population.
With regards to equations between bhumihars and other upper castes, things have changed after mandal and rise of bahujan politics. Now, bhumihars along with other UCs of bihar are behind BJP so, there is some political unity, however, since every party including BJP is on the path of 'subaltern appeasement', I see a political coalition of Upper castes across India in the near future.
Will comment on kunal singh's posts later.
I think Dalits by themselves are 15% of Bihars population. The OBCs tend to have their own militias.
DeleteThe Bhumihars for sure are a smaller population but are more heavily militarized , have more resources and have the homefield advantage including representation in the local police.
So while pretty much every able bodied young male available in the rural are could fight, the same cannot be said of the Dalits so the numbers even out in that regard. Given the disparity of resources, the Dalits held their own pretty well.
As Kunal Singh pointed there is a strong difference between southern and Northern bihar culturally. And a lot of the resentment of many of the other upper castes and OBCs towards Bhumihars is that the latter should have no business in southern bihar.
" I see a political coalition of Upper castes across India in the near future."
Thats possible and they may well get to the PM's office-if they dont go the BJP route with Hindi imposition and all around cultural clusterfucks that such as Tarun Vijay, Amit Shahs remarks on south Indians and Bali. But knowing north indian upper castes, I dont think this will happen and the party wont go too far.
@YSV, in bihar like many of the south indian states , OBCs are sub-categorized into two categories - BC i.e. Backward Class(Ahirs, Kurmis, Koeries etc.) and EBC i.e. Extremely Backward Class(Nai, vishwakarma, mallah, kahar, etc.). Now, unlike the BC castes, the EBC castes had little to no land ownership and most of them were laborers. Thus, while the BC castes like Ahirs, Kurmis had their own caste militias, the EBC section had more communist leanings and hence, MCC had a decent chunk of EBCs apart from dalits. That's why I combined the population of dalits and EBCs.
DeleteRegarding disparity of resources, yes, one could say that however, one must also remember that lalu was the CM of bihar during 90s and he implicitly supported the peasant/communist struggles. In fact, many yadavs became a part of MCC too.
As for representation of bhumihars in police, it was there but I am pretty sure that it has thinned down significantly in the lower ranks like in Sub-Inspector(also called Daroga), Inspector etc. in the past 30 years. This is because the recruitment of lower ranks of police is done by the state government and at least in UP and Bihar, there is heavy corruption and irregularities when it comes to recruitment in lower police ranks. Both Lalu and Nitish have been accused of favoring their own men when it comes to Sub-Inspector recruitment.
On the other hand, the higher ranks of police are IPS officers who are recruited via UPSC examinations and since UPSC examinations are much fair and transparent than state level exams, I assume that bhumihars still would have some representation there (though 50% of the seats are reserved there too for SC, ST and OBC).
Afghans as well as Persians were notorious for their dirty tricks such as feigning surrender to attack and capturing diplomats and kings under false pretences. This is what happened to Valerian who met Shapur on what he thought were honorable terms and was treacherously captured.
ReplyDeleteThough contrary to fantastic claims, he was treated well in captivity and was given a honorable funeral.
Anyhow it is amazing that some people think such dirty tricks make them a man. Probably the type of people who drug girls drinks in bars and rape them and then claim that they are "drowning in white women"
The caste wars within Hindu society has caused Hindus to loose civilization war . many right wing victim hood narrative blame Islam for conversion but they will never admit is that these converts were discouraged to get back to Hinduism ,by caste based society i read an article which states that swami shraddanand had convinced kashmiri Muslims to get back to Hinduism but local kashmiri pandits threatened Raja Harisingh of dire consequence, their historical blunder caused their great grandchildrens to endure pogroms caused mass exodus kamshmiri pandits this is one of many historical anecdotes we are not fighting external enemy we getting decimated by our own people A Hindu is traitor within his/her society
ReplyDeletei always wondered how can you convert someone against his/ her own will if he /she refuses to believe other religion , unless your own people are not willing accept you back like say Rajput kings who lost to mughals their citizens were forced on sword, to convert to Islam yet no remedy was given to back to Santana dharma in case for Christianity as they used TRads propaganda that varana is based on birth , untouchability right to education etc which caused inferiority complex among certain class they were given incentives to convert to xinity
ReplyDeleteAbhijit liar mitra stated in podcast that Hinduism is in verge of extinction by the end century he blamed it on external thereat like Islam etc but never in his podcast he mentioned about the Traitors within the Hindu society in 2014 -2019 we had rare occurrence where all the section of society irrespective of caste elected modi as their messiah to save Hinduism like another politicians he used Hindu votes for political gains he failed to protect his own party workers from getting genocide after Bengal election he uses Muslim appeasement polices in election he has not reserved many draconian laws which has caused Hindus to loose their livelihood
ReplyDeletehe has banned Hindu festivals yet dose not do the same for other religions in his tenure it has led to creation mini Pakistan he appears too weak when it comes to dealing with china . lastly he has increased reservations for certain community for electoral gains in upcoming uttar pradesh elections
Electing modi was like biological response of Hindus to deal with disease but he slowly turned into cancerous cell that attacked its immune system
ReplyDeleteAnyone following captain's latest blog post?
ReplyDeleteI mean, see this:
https://ajitvadakayil.blogspot.com/2021/08/vadakayil-ashram-of-kalki-conscousness_29.html
He is drooling over "Colonel" Suman Satish. He has posted her images all over the blog all the way from her high school days to present.
Like you pointed out before, captain is so insecure that he posts his achievements all the way from school to present. He is doing the same with Suman. She seems to be under 30 and would probably pass for his daughter in front of unaware folks.
Now this Suman character seems quite dubious to me. Let me explain why:
1. See the images of Suman purportedly in high school towards the middle of the blog post. Look at the stunning clarity of the images. She finished her schooling at around 2010. Even Bollywood and Telugu/Tamil cinema could not achieve such clarity of images and videos back during those years, not to mention camera focusing techniques! How did she click literal 1080p pics when the first 1080p monitor came into being first in Japan back in 2006? For sure smartphones were not as widespread back then as they are in India now, and certainly they never had 1080p image clarity before 2012 worldwide (a few years later in India's case).
2. The woman has posted her bank details as an individual. It is immediately under the title of the blog post. Anyone vaguely aware of how taxes work would open a bank account in the name of their trust or institution in order to legally avoid paying taxes. So much for captain praising her to the skies to the extent of highlighting her achievements all the way from high school. She does not even know this very basic rule of how taxes work.
3. Why an ashram in Darjeeling? Why not Kerala, the land of 12-strand DNA Maharishis? Is something else at play here?
4. Is Suman trying to cash in on captain, or is captain trying to cash in on Suman? I suspect the latter. Suman while really intelligent (as her genuinely admirable skills and achievements show) seems to be ignorant and does not display knowledge of even the basics of running an NGO in India. Captain is very intelligent when it comes to money matters. I guess that is why he is praising her to the skies.
Looks like a new cult is emerging. How many of captain's followers are even aware that they are being taken for a royal ride?
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DeleteSomething wrong is going on around this initiative,but I can't exactly figure it out ,neither do I wish to do so,as I have scores of other life issues of mine to sort out 😁 not sure why so qualified a lady would leave everything to settle in Darjeeling,and why exactly should we even sponsor it ,when capt himself is saying that initially only a few number of participants would be allowed. Also I am leaving aside the income tax and legal issues.
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DeleteThis initiative itself is fishy from the get go. There are way too many red flags. I got a hunch that Suman is being cheated by the captain. As we can see, no one who is savvy with money would request donations going in the millions using their personal bank accounts. Any account earning more than Rs. 200,000-300,000 would catch the attention of IT and potential raids would follow.
Captain is clearly cheating his followers (if they pay money that is) or he is cheating someone else. This does not add up however you look at it.
captain is probably taking a page from the Mossad and starting a honeypot scheme with Ms. Satish.
DeletePeople in Kerala are too pragmatic to fall for his nonsense. Ironically most of his fans are from outside Kerala , if the names on his posts are anything to go by. Keralites are clearly proud of their state but their ego seems to have automatic brakes when it comes to captains far out next level , Kerala as source of pyramids, Jesus, Roman Emperors, machu pichu etc, shit.
DeleteBut in all honesty, one part of me does feel bad for Suman. She seems to be a highly intelligent and experienced woman. If at all I start an industry in the electronics sector (and that is a big IF AT ALL), I would definitely hire her and compensate her well.
DeleteShe is falling for captain's trap. On the flip-side, like you say, he must be starting some kind of honeypot scheme with her.