Why Bollywood is Pakistan's propaganda factory? No its not due to Dawood
In the early days of the Mumbai film industry , Pakistan was never really mentioned and simply referred to as "dushman" (enemy) or "pados" (neighbor). Why this was the case I really dont know. I suspect it had as much to do with Nehruvian sentimentality as the stupidity of the Censor Board.
This all changed almost overnight in the late 90s when Pakistan began getting mentioned left and right in movies both pro and con. Initially con and then pro.
Im old enough to remember the movies of the early 90s which were produced by D company . How did you know they were produced by the mafia? Some of it was intuitive- if you felt sleazy after watching it but couldnt articulate why then its a mafia produced film. A lot of it involved noble Muslims, cowardly Hindu men and sexually loose Hindu women. Now mind you a lot of these movies werent really anti India, heck they showed an Indian Muslim to be more brave in his patriotism by willing to die than a cowardly Tamil Brahmin who cowers and pleads with the enemy agent for his life. This was the gem of secularism as per our elite press. Praising Pakistan is something that even Dawood didnt dare, heck there was no indication that he had any love for Pakistan.
Whether he was involved in the 1993 bombing is still an open question which I am forced to give him benefit of doubt but certainly he had knowledge of it but chose not to do much about it.
The liberalization of the economy and its atttendant opening of Indian skies to satellite stations meant that Indians had access to views that escaped the stifling political correctness of Doordarshan (so beloved by ISI agent Ajit Vadakayil) *. And this a time when was the Kashmir region was raging out of control and due to the inertia of Cold War, while America was warming towards India it still supported Pakistan overall and there was no Russia worth its name to help it. Speaking of Russia, it was formerly the Soviet Union and there was a feeling that if a multi ethnic confederation would break up, then so would India and German reuinification might give rise to Kashmiri reunification.
This was how Pakistani propagandists sold the idea to the United States which was then led by a horn dog and petty minded shallow man called Bill Clinton who was incapable of any strategic vision which involved reoriented a foreign policy that was now defunct even as Pakistani artichect of the 1993 WTC bombing proved.
Secular press tried to keep Kashmiri jihad atrocities under the rug but Zee TV/Zee News who were not exactly pro Hindutva but wished to make a dent by serving under served constitutents told it like it is with all the rapes, massacres and ethnic cleansing of Pandits by the Muslim terrorists got the Hindu publics blood boiling. And add to this the Prime Minister Narasimha Rao who was perhaps the only PM to date who spent a good chunk of his youth fighting a Muslim despot and unlike the frauds Nehru, Rajiv and Indira was Indic and patriotic to the core.
It is not a coincidence that BJP first made its electoral gains almost achieving the PM slot in 1996. The explosion of the internet further loosened the grip of legacy media on the narrative. "Now what to do?" thought the establishment. How to control these pesky Hindus asking uncomfortable questions about Pakistan which are best swept under the rug?
Films, video games,pornography etc are outlets rather inlets. i.e I dont think these mediums are very effective at propaganda as people go there for an emotional release rather than be persuaded about a particular viewpoint. Men who watch more pornography are actually less likely to commit rape. And all the violent video games in the world wont make a kid go out and shoot his classmates.
Same issue with films. The censor board is not that stupid. When it approves the vigilante hero slaughtering corrupt politicians and policemen, it knows that no matter how gratifying that may feel to the viewing public they become less likely to act on it.
And so the pressure cooker release is to make a few anti Pakistani films such as the absurd Gaddar, Maa Tujhe Salam and host of other shlock. Notice these movies are not made by respectable directors by purely masala filmmakers. Once that was done, the films were dragged back to the mean by PUNJABI REFUGEE filmmakers (I capitalize because these are the guys who insist on making pro Pakistani films) . Shameless people such as Yash Chopra, Vidhu Vinod Chopra, Kapoors and others wish to sympathize those who evicted them from their ancestral lands. And since then there have been hardly any anti Pakistani films worth mentioning. Heck there are movies which lambast Americans for their drone attacks in Pakistan which makes our captain shed many tears everynight on his pillow. In the abhorrent film My Name Is Khan the movie goes so far to erase any distinction between Indians and Pakistanis by conflating Pakistani sufferings onto Indians because they are both brown and foreign to Americans or something. No sorry, most Americans are not that ignorant . They know the difference between Hindus and Muslims and Sikhs.
So in other words Karan Johar(another Punjabi) wishes for Indians to suffer for the misdeeds of Pakistanis out of a sense of solidarity of being...what?
In conclusion, no it is Dawood or any Islamic mafia which is responsible for pro Pakistani bias but purely a Punjabi Hindu disease of slobbering before and licking the shoes of those who kick them.
It is a terrifying thought that Punjabi Hindus are overrepresented in India's army but then Pakistans army is mostly Punjabi too. And hence seeing both are incapable of aggression the stalemate continues.
Contrast this to Tamil Sinhala ethnic conflict where each side spilled oceans of blood to acquire even a square foot of land.
If you think I am being unfair to Punabis, look at their history ,customs and music. Where is the martial aspect in it? Where Tamil and Rajput culture for instance is all about celebrating heroes, Punjabi cultural ethos is about star crossed lovers. It is all live and let live . Sikhs are wonderful but they are anomaly, divorced from Indian mainstream after 1984, drug addled and now demartialized.
Aakar Patel once mourned that Bollywood is running out of Punjabis as Punjabis are the most extroverted people on the subcontinent. That is contestable but even if true, it doesnt matter as a national film industry should represent various demographics in that country whether behind or infront of a camera. I mean god forbid an actual Northeastern actress portray Mary Kom. Who better to be play her than Priyanka Chopra? Of course thats the obvious choice!
I prefer the more introverted Type A Tamil personalities in charge who have no qualms cutting all the Pakistani generals throats live on air and then enjoying a dish of Chettinad chicken engaging in chitchat over the formers corpses than extroverted fun loving Punjabis singing "Gawande Gawande" with each other.
* Is the captain an ISI agent? I cant say with certainty. However there is more circumstantial evidence for this than there is for me being a Rothschild agent. How did a merchant marine(whose salary while good isnt that high) afford such expensive properties. How is he able to send his son to places like Cornell where the tuition starts at $50000 a year. Never mind his other boasts. I dont know. Perhaps his income streams are legitimate. Its best if the tax authorities have a serious look at his finances.
i have many things to add to this topic let me start with latest development after removal of article 370 and 35 a there are speculations of resettlement of Kashmiri pandit back to the valley But stupid KPs need not behave like #370 is about THEM... It is not... The fight to junk #370 began long before they were thrown out from Kashmir... KPs never agitated to remove 370 when they lived there.i use to believe in victim-hood of kp ,but Pandits want to keep their identity different as if they're not Hindus Besides, stupid KPs were the origin of this mess 70 yrs ago
ReplyDeleteKashmiri Pandits are the most ineffective lobbying group on earth probably. I dont know what it is with Kashmir be it Hindus or Muslims, they are unable to fight for their rights. Kashmiri Muslims seek the help of Pathan irregulars and Pak army while Kashmiri Hindus need other Hindus to agitate on their behalf.
DeleteHsuien Tsang also noted the Kashmiris as timid and unassertive over 1300 years ago.
Just as I was warming up to Article 370 for all Indian states, the PM comes and ditches it.
DeleteI personally dont care if Kashmir separates from India on the following conditions
1) Indian army will be in charge of its Pakistan and China borders. Kashmiris can manage Indian border
2) Kashmirs foreign policy will be managed by India.
3) Amarnath and other religious shrines will be in control of the Indian government.
4) Kashmir will pay for 1) from its tourism revenue
5) Indians will recieve visa on entry to Kashmir but Pakistanis will be banned.
6) Kashmiri Pandits and their descendents will be resettled in Kashmir and they will be compensated for lost property by taxing Kashmiri Muslims
7) No Muslim settlement permitted in Buddhist areas. Any lone Kashmiri Muslim without entry permit will be viewed as a hostile and can be shot dead by local forces.
8) Any highway from China or Central Asia for trade purpose will be built and managed by India. Kashmiris may make money on tolls. A portion of this will go to India.
I think these are reasonable from POV of Indians and if Kashmiris dont want it, well time to expel them.
Forgot another
DeleteAny harassment of Kashmiri Hindus on a considerable scale will neccessitate invasion by India. Not really a demand I suppose ,just an assumption that they should make.
more than Islam India should worry about evangelism supported by western countries
Deletethe position of Islam is weak globally war on terror has damaged the Islamic reputation so India and Kashmir issue offers a platform to salvage their pride ,when has any Islamic country raised their dissent when trump banned their entry ,Israel Palestine issue etc . but when it comes to India they don't shy away making threats or show themselves as victim of Hindu ideology ,
there were right wing freedom fighters who sided with British rule ,this trend continues today as right wingers like ravinar (media crooks) who spews his Islamic hate into his twitter account but is silent when it comes to threat from evangelism who use dalit fronts to report religious intolerance in India and want some sort of a western intervention similar to that of Iraq and afghan i will not go into further details any one interested can read book called BREAKING INDIA by rajiv malhotra and urban naxalism by vivek agnihotri
DeleteIndia should embrace communists type of ideology like china which is essentially a dictatorship in disguise will any western country put a sanctions on china because they sent uyghiurs Muslims to detentions camps , recent huwaei company controversy .china has long trail human right violation, will USA dare to do a similar type of intervention like that of iraq ? why does USA wants to denuclearize north Korea Iran , will not enforce the same on Israel or china?
Deletelet me conclude by saying if India doesn't learn from china it will never be a global power. evangelism is real threat specially in south India as they hope create a Indian christian UMMA , we should shed the pretense of secularism .
You are very confused. On one hand you say India should be communist and on the other you want to ditch secularism which is strongly associated with communism.
DeleteUnlike Muslims, Christian evanglicals dont bother me as most are not bother with Christian exclusivism and continue worshipping Hindu gods.In a couple of generations and with intermarriage they will revert to their Hindu ways. In the meantime they are establishing the building blocks of a civil society where the authorities are not bothered such as hospitals, schools and roads in the interiors.
If you want to avoid people getting attracted to Christianity, get off your ass and do these things for them or shut your cakehole.
Chinese communism if different from Russian communism , Chinese communist party has elected xi jing pin as president for life time read the above comment once again regarding uyighur muslim detention to understand the point about ditching secularism,
Delete(if you want to avoid people getting attracted to Christianity, get off your ass and do these things for them or shut your cakehole.)
when person starts ad hominem attack either they lack understanding or they don't want to handle uncomfortable facts in u r case it is both
(Unlike Muslims, Christian evanglicals dont bother me as most are not bother with Christian exclusivism and continue worshipping Hindu gods.In a couple of generations and with intermarriage they will revert to their Hindu ways)
DeleteLOL....pure ignorance and utterly foolish statement kindly read the book Breaking India by rajiv malhotra then make your judgement
Rajiv Malhotra is an ignoramus and talks random nonsense without knowing anything. Tamil culture is something other Indians have serious trouble understanding. Rather than reading regurgitating codswallop like Breaking India, read Cynthia Talbot and Susan Baylys books about the syncretism of foreign customs into Tamil societies and how their distinctive mode of worship particularl with respected to worship of heroes transcends religious boundaries.
DeleteRajiv Malhotra belongs to the league of fools who thought LTTE was a Christian outfit even as Prabhakarans family owned temples and seeing a Hindu priest burnt alive by Sinhalese troops was a defining moment in his life. There a lots of Christians in LTTE because there are lots of Christian Tamils and they are dedicated to the Tamil cause which is an ethnic cause rather than religious one. Sinhala Buddhist chauvinists wished to dampen Hindu enthusiasm for their fellow Hindu Tamils so they came up with the boogeyman of Western missionaries.
Same boogeyman of missionaries is being used by Hindutva and other useless people who dont do anything constructive in their lives including Rajiv Malhotra who prefers to live in Christian U.S.A . hahahahah
"Chinese communism if different from Russian communism , Chinese communist party has elected xi jing pin as president for life time read the above comment once again regarding uyighur muslim detention to understand the point about ditching secularism,"
DeleteI dont think Uyghur detention is a good thing. I am not a fan of indefinite incarceration simply for the crime of existence. I suppose I dont understand your point of ditching secularism. There is no difference between Russian and Chinese communism as far as religion is concerned- they both view it with suspicion if not outright hostility. As for the economy, China is really a house of cards waiting to collapse. It has achieved a lot but thats due to it is authoritarian and the population is mostly uniform. The differences between Mandarin and Cantonese peoples are negligible compared to say Punjabis and Telugus.
(if you want to avoid people getting attracted to Christianity, get off your ass and do these things for them or shut your cakehole.)
when person starts ad hominem attack either they lack understanding or they don't want to handle uncomfortable facts in u r case it is both "
My position is missionaries do some good and those who dont like them should go and do the same and steal the missionaries limelight so their methods of conversion become ineffective.
Your response: You are mean and dont wish to face uncomfortable facts.
I leave it for my readers to judge who is in the right.
i try to avoid reading the unknown authors whose work has not been critiqued specially western indologist who see Indian history through christian bias who don't understand difference of varna from jati you took similar stance against western indologist konerad elst many years ago . you want me to read Cynthia Talbot and Susan Baylys to support your theory
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(My position is missionaries do some good and those who dont like them should go and do the same and steal the missionaries limelight so their methods of conversion become ineffective.)
DeleteHindus are not into business of soul harvesting these these rice bag Christians don't do charity without any strings attached ,very fact that they identify themselves as "missionaries" which means they have "mission" with which they operate which of ulterior motive . how we forget these so called good Christians used inquisition to convert Jews, Hindus in mass . today due fear of human right violation they do it in guise of humanitarianism . what about rampant pedophilia among the good Samaritans of catholic church popes, bishops etc
let me quote Desmond tutu "When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land "
DeleteGood to see that you have jumped ship from Rajiv Malhotra all the way to Desmond Tutu hahahhaha. Yes I have heard the quote from Desmond Tutu, you neglect to mention that this Tutu is a Christian bishop himself.
DeleteThe missinories in Africa were acting in consort with the colonial powers. In India, it was more complicated, the British authorities were not often fond of missionaries atleast after 1857 . Many extreme evangelicals viewed the British empire as wicked and exploitative.
"Hindus are not into business of soul harvesting these these rice bag Christians don't do charity without any strings attached ,"
DeleteIndeed Hindus dont do charity with strings attached. Heck most dont any charity at all. Christians have ulterior motives with their rice bags. But how many rice bags have you distributed to the poor exactly?
"very fact that they identify themselves as "missionaries" which means they have "mission" with which they operate which of ulterior motive . how we forget these so called good Christians used inquisition to convert Jews, Hindus in mass . today due fear of human right violation they do it in guise of humanitarianism . what about rampant pedophilia among the good Samaritans of catholic church popes, bishops etc "
The inquisition was hundreds of years ago. ANd that was Catholic, not Protestant . It is usually Protestants active in southern India. Sexual abuse in the church is rampant since they invited homosexuals posing as celibates to join in since the 1960s. Sexual abuse also takes place in madrassahs, Buddhist monasteries and various ashrams. where there is power concentrated, there will be abuse unless there is strict quality control of the clergy.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/christian-missionaries-against-colonialism-1508455448
DeleteDuring the first half of the 20th century, American missionaries began developing relatively generous attitudes toward the people they had been taught to regard as heathen and backward, if not inferior. Deep and sustained immersion in foreign communities challenged inherited stereotypes. Missionaries and their children eventually became some of the most conspicuous opponents of colonialism and racism.
As early as the 1920s missionaries were telling their sponsors back home that they wanted to cut back on preaching and focus instead on social service. This idea sharply divided the community of faith. Fundamentalists treated any weakening of the program of conversion as heresy. Yet the better-educated liberals who later came to be known as “mainline Protestants” voiced increasing respect for Hinduism, Buddhism, Islam and other faiths. These Congregationalists, Methodists and ecumenical groups applied their cosmopolitanism to national and world affairs. The women’s missionary boards were persistent critics of Jim Crow at home and colonialism abroad.
"i try to avoid reading the unknown authors whose work has not been critiqued specially western indologist who see Indian history through christian bias who don't understand difference of varna from jati you took similar stance against western indologist konerad elst many years ago . you want me to read Cynthia Talbot and Susan Baylys to support your theory"
DeleteIn other words you are saying "i dont want to read a book I dont know about because I suspect I will disagree with its views" hahahaha this is why Hindutva types a complete and utter joke intellectually. Never mind reading these books, I doubt you read anything at all. You sound like an RSS volunteer where they are specifically forbidden to read books that dont conform to the narrative. You live your life in a bubble and exist in a circle jerk where all other agree with you. No wonder you cant construct a coherent argument to save your life.
Susan Bayly spent years researching Tamil society and customs and knows Tamil rather. Cynthia Talbot studied Telugu inscriptions for 20 years. Can Rajiv Malhotra demonstrate such facility with Tamil? If not he should really shut the fuck up. It is amazing people wish to write entire books on cultures whose languages they cant even speak.
Anyhow the opinions of such scholars such as Talbot and Bayly are worth a lot more than two bit hacks on the internet such as yourself.
LOL.. since when did Rss support communism on the contrary they would be proud to have member like you who is more anti Islamic than a moderate Hindu .u cannot be label me as follower of any ideology i follow logical conclusions.
Deletehow conveniently you sweep the christian atrocities as thing of past now they r supposed have reformed? i quoted Desmond tutu for the exact reason that he is from church he knows what it has done to his country
regarding western scholars you showed you contempt against Konrad elst for the same reason what quoted earlier
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DeleteLOL.. since when did Rss support communism on the contrary they would be proud to have member like you who is more anti Islamic than a moderate Hindu .u cannot be label me as follower of any ideology i follow logical conclusions. "
The above is what happens when stupid people try to argue their positions, it only breeds more stupidity. You say that you are not a follower of any ideology and then you mock me for associating you with RSS and communism. Well if you are not a follower of any ideology then there should be no issue with these two seemingly contradictory ideologies. You can take what you want from both. Anyway RSS economic ideology is closer to communism than capitalism as it is fond of state control of resources.
"how conveniently you sweep the christian atrocities as thing of past now they r supposed have reformed? i quoted Desmond tutu for the exact reason that he is from church he knows what it has done to his country"
I am not sweeping anything under the rug. The missionary outrages are mostly restricted to South American and Africa where they encountered primitive societies which they could easily manipulate. I already stated Catholic missionaries such as Portuguese were tyrannical but Protestants which came later were more enlightened. I dont tar all with the same brush
You seriously have problems with reading. What did I mention in those comments that is relevant to this discussion here. Over there I mostly dealt with Hindu, Buddhist rituals ,distaste for foreigners converting to Hinduism, and importance of siddhas. Remaining are just me and windwheel trolling each other.
DeleteI am now convinced that you are a damn fool.
(Anyway RSS economic ideology is closer to communism than capitalism as it is fond of state control of resources) what a ignorant and foolish statement contrary modi government has increased FDI and disinvestment in government sectors ,rss is pro capitalism
Deleteyour distaste for foreigners converting to Hinduism,was exactly what i was referring here you seem to be just as racist as white man
DeleteModi is not your typical RSS man and neither was Vajpayee. But MOdi is closer to Indira Gandhi style statism than he is to Ronald Reagan. Modi being a Gujarati CM was and is a mercantilist , not a genuine believe in free markets.
DeleteYou are a confused man, on one hand you dont like Christians converting others and you contrast this to Hinduism where we dont have proselytizing tradition. But then you say I am racist for resisting proselytizing as per Hindu tradition. You are a joke a minute. Do continue.
Deletealright let me clarify i don't have problem with someone like Konrad elst dr frawley etc join Hinduism out of their love for religion.there is a difference proselytizing someone to convert other religion and someone does out of his free will.
DeleteBtw No reaction from major Bollywood actors regarding removal of article 370 and Kashmir issue ....guess they don't want to upset their Muslim fan base and their handlers of D company
ReplyDeleteTrue. No reaction from the Khan's of Bollywood. Money first, religion second and then nation - that is what it means to be a Bollywood KHAN. So obvious they chose money and religion over nation, why will they comment.
DeleteOnly Anupam Kher cares about Kashmir. He was the only actor to criticize Haider. Even Kashmiris like Vidhu Vinod Chopra has thrown in his lot with the jihadis. In Mission Kashmir, he showed a Kashmiri Pandit soldier as a communal character whose views had to be corrected by the noble Sikh by stating that a Sikh had as much right to upset with India about 1984 as he had to about Muslims so he should let it go. A stupid analogy but VVC is a champion of stupid analogies and lazy thinking.
Deletei will not count his support he is sucking up to bjp because his wife kirron kher is in the party and BJP made him chairman of the FTII .Like many other Kashmiri pandits he never he has not raised his voice against article 370 35a .
Deletehttps://www.quora.com/Is-Anupam-Kher-with-the-BJP-or-Congress
Ajit an ISI agent, that's not likely. Yeah but how does he afford those costly bungalows and his son's education is to be questioned. I am sure he has some high contacts and something going on apart from the blog where he writes his conspiracies. He also has a liking for sex - though he says its for his sex education - yeah he is a teenager right we all know that from his mentality and thinking. Strangely he has some problem with black men and their big tools, i guess he is sulking due to his small size.
ReplyDeletehahaha vadakayil is a Rothschild agent, he earned most of his fortunes by boot-licking his white shore boss and may be some bribes perhaps.may b rao meant it sarcastically he used to post his nude pics to attract young boys he has stopped it recently.
DeleteDawooad , he is a konkani Muslim there is a theory that he was a R A W agent who has now defected to pak due to ayodya temple issue . many politicians frm various parties party including don't want Dawood to come to India many big names will be exposed .without support of Mumbai police ,politicians including local shiv sena etc he would not have been such big name today .how did he escape to Dubai after Mumbai blasts? Dawood offered to come to India but Sharad Pawar govt didn’t allow: Jethmalani
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/meWD322Hr6w
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-Dawood-Ibrahim-is-a-former-RAW-agent-Did-he-betray-India-after-the-Babri-Masjid-demolition
let look at the khans of bollywood
ReplyDeleteSalman Khan’s support terrorist to Yakub Memon and Pakistani actors after their ban
Shahrukh Khan wanted Pakistani cricketers to play in IPL.
After 26/11 attack
aamir kan crying intolerance when modi got elected
Feroz Khan insults and abuses in Pakistan
http://www.bollywoodmantra.com/news/feroz-khan-insults-and-abuses-in-pakistan/1152/
saif ali khan who names his son tamiur , here is a link discussing family history
https://sunnyfromvizag.000webhostapp.com/index.php/2017/03/16/brilliant-thread-on-the-history-of-the-nawabs-of-pataudi-state-by-trueindology/
what abt punjabi hindus , sikhs , kashmiri pandit
Sanjay Dutt’s role in Mumbai Bomb blast case and connection with mafia
Om Puri just to show his loyalty towards Pakistan abused Indian soldiers after surgical strikes
mahesh bhatt a half kashmiri pandit regular casts pak artist in his films
navjot sidhu making friendly gestures by going to Pakistan
actors such as akshay kumar , ajay devgan who dont mind releasing their movies in Pakistan
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Salman-Khan-support-Pakistani-artists
Feroz Khan is a complex personality. He was a good friend of Dawood. He is one of the guys I spoke who introduced Islamic culture in Bollywood but unlike others he did not degrade Hindus. He is just a guy who wanted to have a good time and make masala movie with hot chicks in bikinis and gun play. Along the way every now he threw in some aspects of his Pushtun culture. He is a devotee of Sathya Sai Baba. Also he is from Afghanistan, not Pakistan (Peshawar) where many Pathans like SRK and Aamir Khans family came from, so he has no love for Pakistan.
DeleteHis brother Sanjay Khan made a TV series about Hanuman and started a Ganga cleanup initiative on the banks of Varanasi . His rationale was that a sacred river shouldnt be dirty.
Sanjay Dutt, Om Puri, Navjot Sidhu ,Akshay Kumar, Ajay Devgan are all Punjabis.
Deletesonam kapoor statement on Kashmir issue I dont see how this hypocrite is in anyway connected to the Kashmir region The entire Kapoor clan is "Half Pakistani Punjabis"... migrants who came to India during Partition but their heart is still in Pakistan...
Deletehttps://twitter.com/bbcasiannetwork/status/1162040605381472257
we must ask sonam who looks handsome ...Dawood or her Dad ?
https://images.app.goo.gl/6M8EdQPJr8VXgsBx6
lk advani who was born in karachi who praised jinnah which cost him pm seat in bjp
Deletemore i look into punjabi , pak origin Hindus that they are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
That twitter video wasn't even 3 minutes and I couldn't make it to the end. The greatest tragedy of our current era is that "stars" have been made of entertainers, and that they opine in public about the things they think they believe in, yet know nothing about and are too drugged up and unsophisticated to provide valuable thoughts on.
DeleteBut I almost respect that ditz for saying that she shouldn't speak about Kashmir. That's the only good answer from a "star." Silence.
Why would anyone bother listening to opinions of movie stars on anything of substance is beyond me? Whether any Indian film industry, Hollywood or any other, they are all a bunch of self absorbed narcissists with not very high IQ . ANother thing I dont understand why star kids even bother with college if they know the field they are getting into doesnt require it.
DeleteMost star kids anyway are completely devoid of personality be it Sonam Kapoor, Tiger Shroff or whathaveyou. Atleast stars of the previous generation had some raw magnetism and sex appeal which was the basis of star power and they could carry an entire film on their shoulders.
i want to a add side note to this topic captain made recently made comment about
ReplyDelete"sambandham" a system which allowed free sex for younger brothers of namboodri with other community like Nairs etc it got me thinking reason why Kerala had maternal lineage, children born out this system didn't know who is their father it was like a
living in relationship that border lines prostitution in nairs tradition the concept
of mother/daughter in law were unheard of . the point i am trying make is in ancient times rest of India brahmin could not have sex with lower class any one who did was ex communicated ,but Kerala Brahmans sowed their seeds merrily because of this system they inherited intelligence of namboodri lineage .
Kerala has the highest literacy rate in India even the lowest rung of the society posses a degree they should thank their namboodri forefathers. but they also lack entrepreneurial skills to develop business as brahmains caste don't posses any business skills they are only good in education .
DeleteThe Nambhudhiris Like the Chitpavans they share the same Parshuram myth as the origin myth Unlike in Maharashtra where the established Brahmin groups strongly opposed them in Kerala the scarcity of real Brahmin groups meant they did not have much trouble although the AIYER Brahmins of neighbouring Tamil Nadu often contested and ridiculed the Nambhodiri claim to Brahminhood when the two groups resided in the same locality ,unlike rest of India brahmins they were racists
Deletethey followed peculiar custom tying their hair side ways
Nambuthiris arent particularly racist or rather ethnochauvinist compared to other Brahmins. Brahmins in general like any other community prefer their own but what makes them supremacists is that they insist on being on top of the food chain. Otherwise no one would be bothered about their insularity.
Delete"Kerala has the highest literacy rate in India even the lowest rung of the society posses a degree they should thank their namboodri forefathers. but they also lack entrepreneurial skills to develop business as brahmains caste don't posses any business skills they are only good in education ."
DeleteLOL Nambuthiris had nothing to do with the development of Kerala society. It was mostly the efforts of Travancore rajas, Sree Narayana Guru and to a lesser extant-the communist party.
"i am trying make is in ancient times rest of India brahmin could not have sex with lower class any one who did was ex communicated ,but Kerala Brahmans sowed their seeds merrily because of this system they inherited intelligence of namboodri lineage ."
ReplyDeleteLOL what nonsesen. Firstly Namboothiris were allowed to have sambandham with only one sect of Nairs, not all. Furthermore Namboothiris today are underachievers compared to even Ezhavas, Muslims and christians. Never mind Nairs. Since they are the purest, they should be the top performers. You seem addicted to ridiculous theories.
you are wrong Namboothiris sambandham was not limited to nairs few occasionally had this relationship with ezahva , thiyya etc point of it all was they had the dna of brahmins which many share it is very hard to trace down lineage today as many have intermarried converted etc ,its nambootri dna which helped in terms of improving literacy rate
DeleteLOL, again with this shit? Anyway I asked you a question to which I didnt get an answer. Nairs, Ezhavas and even Thiyyas are far more successful than Nambuthiris in virtually every fields. so why couldnt Nambuthiris with their superior DNA achieve the same?
DeleteSo you proposition is that these communities had these superior DNA for thousands of years and just decided to one day wake up and realize hey thanks to this system we are superior ,lets overtake the Nambuthiris? hahahaha there is one born every minute
(Nairs, Ezhavas and even Thiyyas are far more successful than Nambuthiris in virtually every fields. so why couldn't Nambuthiris with their superior DNA achieve the same?)
Deletei am not going to change my stance for u r exaggeration and ridicule of the facts you will have to provide me proof and statistics for any to prove your theory is true
I would prefer that you first provide me with verifiable proof and hard statistics, not circumstantial evidence that Nambuthiri DNA led to the success of the other castes.
Deleteiam aware of the fallacy regarding my theory i am not going to say this was the exact factor for the increase in literacy rate there many other factors that have helped increase literacy rate but this was one of the circumstantial evidence
Deletethat may have played its part
"rest of India brahmin could not have sex with lower class any one who did was ex communicated ,but Kerala Brahmans sowed their seeds merrily because of this system they inherited intelligence of namboodri lineage ." ----> Have you heard of Anuloma Vivaah ? Anyways, since we are talking about population genetics, i should tell you that except for the north-west , mtDNA haplogroups in brahmins (which comes from mother ) is local and similar to other jaatis, which means that they took local women, it's only when we start looking at Y-DNA haplogroups then we start observing some jaati wise structure.
DeleteAs for the Nambuduri DNA in other jaatis, imo, it's grossly over-exxagerated. Not all Nair clans had sambandham with them as YSV told.AFAIK, Nambudiri population was at most 1% of kerala's population(i believe today it might be even lower ) . How much could they have done ?
I think Nambuthiri percentage was higher say 1000 years ago. Perhaps 10%. Most did not have these sambandham entitlements to Nair women. It does not make sense that a hardcore warrior class would choose feeble priests to father their children. Generally Nair women were free to copulate with any man of their choice. Such women would prefer warrior men.
DeleteMany people point to fair skin and Caucasoid looks of Nair as proof of Nambuthiri DNA. Well its possible that Nairs looked like that to begin with. Or during the ethnogenesis of Nairs, they may have mixed with many West Asian groups which have been visiting Kerala for atleast 3000 years.
i also like add that progeny born out of the sambandam were not recognized as Nambuthiri , which means they inherited their mothers lineage think of how many of these "Nairs" mixed with other caste .it was not just a mutual arrangement between nairs and Nambuthiri, also factor how many of these Nambuthiri, nairs had converted /forced to convert other religions during these period .
DeleteAccording to K. M. Parinikar "The Nayars [Nairs] were not a caste, they were a race”. Some think nair is the honorific plural of nayan which is derived from the Sanskrit nayaka (leader).There is a theory that they came from the Nepal Valley, adjacent to Tibet. Some consider them to be early descendants of the Newars of Nepal. Serpent worship is one of common custom between the Newars and Nairs. Dr. Zacharias Thundy’s theory is that groups of Newars who were partially Aryanized and would be later Dravidianized joined the Munda exodus and finally settled down in Kerala after a long period of sojourn in the eastern plains of Tamil Nadu. for further research into topic i will give the link below
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http://thiyyahistory.blogspot.com/2012/11/normal-0-false-false-false-en-in-x-none.html
Serpent worship is one of common custom between the Newars and Nairs. "
DeleteThats not enough to suggest a connection.Serpent worship was done by many peoples.However people of Kerala and peoples of Himalaya have often exchanged customs and cultures. Kerala got a lot of Shaiva tantra from Kashmir while it exported Nambuthiri priests and Nair mercenaries to Kashmir, Uttaranchal and Nepal.
Even now in places like Siachen , Kashmir especially in positions in Airforce and Brigadiers, Keralites have disproportionate representation.
Delete"Many people point to fair skin and Caucasoid looks of Nair as proof of Nambuthiri DNA. Well its possible that Nairs looked like that to begin with" --- Yes, Nairs could have looked that way to begin with. Bunts who are closely related to nairs have folks who look like north-west indians(Aishwarya Rai) and AFAIK, bumys didn't engage in mass sambandham with any brahmin group
DeleteGenerally speaking in south India, you find green/gray eyes within scheduled castes or tribal groups more often than say Brahmins such as CharuHassan and N. Ram (both light eyed Iyengars). This is because they are likely of Melanesian/Polynesian descent. These Pacific peoples are the only non white people with high proportions of blonde hair and blue eyes.
DeleteAnyway Aishwarya Rai absent her brown hair, which is far more unusual in south than colored eyes, looks more like a typical Nair , Syrian Christian or Muslim Keralite woman.
Apart from her looks, she has been a non talent in the acting department for the last 20 years. How she still has a career is a mystery to me.
Aishwarya Rai is now irrelevant today's times but she had better acting skills than katrina kaif who is also becoming irrelevant these days her godfather/bf sallu is trying his best to promote her she is not young anymore.
DeleteKatrina Kaif is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the Indian film industry. She has absolutely no Indian blood whatsoever. During the publicity of that awful film Boom in 2003 , she was given a fictional Kashmiri father even as she is purely English(a brunette type who is more probably more Welsh and Jewish than English) . Jackie Shroff who produced and starred in that fiasco pretty much admitted to it.
Delete"During the publicity of that awful film Boom in 2003 , she was given a fictional Kashmiri father even as she is purely English" --- Woah, i always used to think that she was half-kashmiri .
Deletei remember watching this movie cast included amitabh bachan zeenat aman padmalaxmi katrina gulshan grover i don't understand why did amitabh agree to do this role whole plot of this movie is rather bizarre it has A list star cast doing roles in c grade movie. this movie was banned later
Deletekatrina has rather shady history including her family i read in gossip columns that she used to be a escort in hong kong ,her family was involved in "children of god cult " deepika padukone had once commented about her passport identity in koffe with karan show people in industry knows her background no wonder ranbir kapoor family was against this relationship
DeleteI had no idea about her life story. Quickly skimming through her wikipedia page makes everything about her seem fake. Would not be surprised to much later find out she was on some kind of Epstein-like payroll to entrap the elite in crimes in Bollywood for intel and/or money.
DeleteAccording to the page,her Dad left the family and settled in USA, and it doesn't say how, but the fatherless family was so rich that they lived in dozens of countries for no reason other than that her mom was into social causes.
While living in all these countries, she managed to pick up a noticeably strong British accent that made her Hindi hard to understand. Why she spoke Hindi at all is never mentioned. One of the places she supposedly lived was Poland. Not sure if Hindi is popular there, but I'm guessing it's not. At all.
Also, to top it off, she says she only spent 3 total years in UK. But also that her life was hard growing up in UK being the victim of racism for being brown, even though she barely looks brown at all.
3 years doesn't equal "growing up" somewhere, and likely isn't enough to pick up a strong accent, especially considering she spent time in USA as well according to her.
What a horrendous mess they've made of her story. I don't even want to finish reading her wiki page. It feels dirty.
In the 1940s and 50s, during and after WWII, the US was besieged with the fear of many Communists stealing secrets for the KGB.Senator Joseph McCarthy carried out a hunt for Commies in Hollywood. Many Hollywood and other entertainers suspected with links to Commies were incarcerated and hounded.But the fact remains no sensible country should tolerates enemies within
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ReplyDeletei have open question to ysv_rao and others - has modi lost the plot after getting elected second term? in terms of current economic situation there is increase in unemployment rate India is facing economic slowdown sectors such as telecom ,textiles aviation are under loss i will not go into full details but i will give links to videos
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/iKmfXynXSRs , https://youtu.be/EdzimYxkmVE
https://youtu.be/zNyIShHp2V4 https://youtu.be/OQ0T8TFmTic https://youtu.be/iCVSQ7tIcvw
modi may have done good thing getting rid of article 370 and Kashmir issue but if he doesn't address current economic crisis we may be heading towards situation likes of Venezuela what makes it dangerous comparatively is we have huge population compare to Venezuela which might create communal riots and civil unrest everyday there will massive human casualties if things were to go beyond repair within 6 to 8 years .
DeleteThe economic slowdown is not entirely the government's fault. This is a side effect of the US-China trade war.
DeleteIndia is a long way from becoming Venezuela. The situation in Venezuela is the result of years of economic mismanagement and dependence on a single export: Oil. India's economic planners, while not perfect, have much more sense than Venezuelans.
Modi had lost the economy well before the election. However there will be a period of stagnation and perhaps social unrest but not on the level of Venezuala. As the entire Venezuala economy was nationalized and political dissent practically banned. Also it didnt help that Venezuala was dependent on commodity such as petroleum whose price is subject to wild fluctuations. Indias economy is far more diverse.
DeleteI believe revoking Article 370 was a mistake as this means more mainland people can move into Kashmir and this will only aggravate matters.
My position on Kashmir was always this
1) Either repatriate all Pandits and also settle neighboring state HIndus with ties to Kashmir such as Sikhs,Dogras and others so it becomes a 50/50 demographic and manageable.
2) Or let is seceede with the restrictions I mentioned before.
There is also 3) Chasing out all Muslims to the "Azad" Kashmir they love so much.
But that is not practical I suppose. It will not bother me one bit however. Ethnic cleansing is not the worst thing in the world when keeping in mind potential catastrophes down the road.
Delete"The economic slowdown is not entirely the government's fault. This is a side effect of the US-China trade war."
A more forward looking government would have offered to manufacture those tarriffed goods in India and offered U.S more equitable terms on trade. But no, those jobs are now going to Veitnam, Thailand, Taiwan and even U.S.
Also Iran sanctions dont help as India had good deal on oil and gas from them.
India's economy is diverse but many sectors are suffering. Spinning mills, automobiles, textiles and even fast moving consumer goods are reporting a slowdown.
DeleteWhat can be done to reverse this trend, at least temporarily?
Delete"What can be done to reverse this trend, at least temporarily?"
Nothing. Literally nothing. Economy functions best when government doesnt interfere as Modi has done repeatedly.
And those interventions are sending many sectors into a spiral. India need not become Venezuela but a lot of unemployment will come about due to interference by the govt. Now they are asking for RBI's dividends. Will that affect the economy as Raghuram Rajan has warned? And how?
Deleteduring manmohan singh tenure Indian economy was doing well , he was not good politician but was good economist biggest blunder modi committed was implementing gst and demonetization it is/was a scam which bjp got away in name of nationalism . what happened to all the tax money which was collected during note bandi ? real estate market crashed as no had money in the market for investment look at dhfl scam .
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" Iran sanctions dont help as India had good deal on oil and gas from them."
ReplyDeleteIs India upholding their end on that deal? I'd read months ago that China an Turkey had exploited loopholes and India was planning on doing the same. It's hard to imagine USA can still manage to hold anyone to a deal at all anymore considering its policy of no compliance with anything at all.
U.S doesnt really hold up its allies to any of their restrictions. Even during the height of U.S India tensions during the Bangladesh war, Nixon did send an aircraft carrier in the Bay of BEngal but he knew it was a bluff and Indira didnt blink so nothing came of it.
DeleteI dont think U.S will be too bothered if India trades with Iran under the table similar to Saddam with Europeans in the 1990s. But while India will probably gets its oil, the speculation due to sanctions will shoot up the oil prices. This together with the logistical issues and red tape involved will increase it even more.
Sir but is not Trump threatening India with secondary sanctions if they ever trade with Iran? Pakistan's blocking their airspace is also not helping India's trade with Afghanistan and Iran.
DeleteTrump is different from former presidents of America in that he is more aggressive.
I dont think this is a battle Trump will choose to fight.
DeleteTrump has already started slapping Indian products/services with tariffs. He recently listed Baluchistan Liberation Army as a terrorist group upon Pakistan's insistence and is returning Afghanistan to Taliban control.
DeleteIs Trump trying to return to the Cold War era?
Trumps tariffs have nothing to do with Iran but his contention that Indian benefits unfairly from its trade with U.S.
DeleteAs for placating Pakistan over Balochistan and ditching Afghanistan, he just wants to get out of the region where no there is no upside to U.S presence. I suppose he extracted some demands from Pakistan regarding Afghanistan and India which I am not aware of but speculate that he prefers Pakistan ditch its old habits of exporting instability and terrorism.
Getting the US out of South Asia is fine but handing over the responsibility to Pakistan seems to be a bad idea. But then India will not move a muscle in the region so to be fair to him he probably had no choice.
DeleteGoes without saying that Pakistan will now freely export terrorism and instability across South Asia and even further beyond.
Trump put tariffs on Indian products for the same reason he did Chinese products: excess trade deficit with both nations.
I doubt he is handing over South Asia to Pakistan. He assured them so that they would mind their own business. OTOH Ajit Doval shifted the overton window on Balochistan publicly. If ever India and Pakistan get into a war, I doubt Trump will rush to defend either side, least of all Pakistan. The U.S public has enough of wars, especially those on behalf on Muslims against non Muslims(which is how they view pro Christian Assad vs Islamists in Syria)
DeleteOkay. I was confused after his moves in Afghanistan.
DeleteI am doubtful if India and Pakistan would get into a war. But if that happens, China might not be a passive viewer. They already got their troops in Pakistani territory.
Assad is using Syria's Christians and Alawites (his own community) to massacre Sunnis en masse and send wave after wave of refugees to Europe and USA, aside of taking help from Russia, Hezbollah, IRGC and other Shia militias. How do people not see this? Pointing to Libya has no use because Syria has seen thousands of times more violent deaths and exported hundreds of times more refugees than Libya.
I feel USA's mistake was helping Kurds. Kurds never attacked Assad but went after Syria's rebels and ISIS instead. Turkey stepped in on the side of the rebels and is fighting Kurds.
Syria has been turned into a complete mess.
I read it in this thread by a Palestinian here:
https://twitter.com/iyad_elbaghdadi/status/871492443165818880
Do not know how far he is accurate though. You might know better.
U.S feels an obligation to Kurds since they are a pro American group but were left high and dry by Bush 41 in the 1990s to Saddams tender mercies. Kurds had no beef with Assad as such. They were part of his Baathist coalition. Baathist parties in Iraq and Syria were drawn from minorities, Sunni in Saddams case and Alawi in the case of Assad. Since these groups lacked legitimacy and even respect (Alawis were reviled not just as non Muslim but that their women would work as domestic servants in others houses) , they had rule their subjects with brute force. And when the states unravelled with Iraq in 2003 and syria in 2011 the pent up rage of the oppressed was unleashed.
DeleteSyria has many sites and subjects of the Orthodox church therefore Russia feels compelled to defend the only guy who protected Christians in the Middle East.
A war with India is not in Chinas interest. In my view it has too many holdings in Pakistan and may actually be defacto owner of Pakistan.
Look at this comical story
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/international-business/pakistan-brokers-oppose-chinese-nominee-as-stock-exchange-md/articleshow/60762638.cms
Chinese shareholders of Pakistan stock exchange(who own 40%) appointed a Canadian MD while Pakistani brokers cry foul
As usual Pakistanis are closing the barn doors long after the horses have bolted. They have surrendered their sovereignity to a foreign power for cash. But unlike U.S who they managed to scam and fleece for decades, the Chinese are shrewder and coldly pragmatic. If Americans wanted to milk the Pakistani cow, Chinese want the beef.
In light of all this, it is unlikely China will allow Pakistan too many provocations upon India as a war will damage its interests.
after the scrapping of article 370 and 35a the reason for existence of Pakistan itself is gone. The goal of Pak existence was not only to chew Kashmir region but to chew up regions of India bit by bit and turn them into Islamic ghettos. this was a masterstroke by modi now we only have to deal with POK region if Pakistan tries any misadventures like kargil it will be split into many regions.
DeletePakis in the West.. esp USA... pass themselves off as Indians as they are too ASHAMED to be referred to as Pakistanis. Why Bangladeshis & Pakis always call their eateries INDIAN? Which is not INDIAN at all?? why doesn't rohingya Muslim immigrants wants to seek asylum in India not pak such is the reputation of Pakistan yet they never learn .
DeleteActually they call their restaurants "Kashmiri" partly to take a dig at Indians and at the same time to pass off as Indians. I know of such establishments in Germany.
Deletehahaha....only way to spot these difference is you just have to check the spelling mistakes in the menu ,Additionally many Pakistani restaurants have zero South Indian dishes .Pakistani men shamelessly introduce themselves to prospective dates as Indian. Same case on many dating apps.
Deleteyet Bollywood Psychotic Punjabi brigade hesitates to identify themselves as Indian akshay kumar who took Canadian citizenship , alia bhatt is British citizen we have Bollywood Sleepers like karan johar mahesh bhatt who likes to cast his pak actor friends in their films in his latest film akshaykumar turns into an Islamist proselytiser. His latest ‘Mangal Yaan’ has the lead woman scientist’s son converting to Islam, growing beard, doing Namaz and calling Lord Ganesha useless god.
DeleteI wanted to mention a movie called Angaar (1992) directed by K Shashilal Nair. This is during the aforementioned degraded era of Muslim mafia control. How this got made is an utter mystery. A Pathan mafia headed by Jehangir Khan(portrayed in appropriate theatrics by Kader Khan) rules Mumbai through a combination of paternal dispensing of charity and fear. This is challenged by a hot headed Hindu Jaikishan/Jaggu (played by Jackie Shroff) slum dweller who administers a thrashing on the whole family and the political system who they bought off.
DeleteThe particularly psychotic Pathan is played by Nana Patekar. The one noble Pathan is played another Hindu Kiran Kumar.
I think this entire project was either a conscious or a subconscious attack by Hindu elements of Bollywood on the culture of the time. But their target was Pathans whose excesses in the film world cant exist without blessing of Punjabis and hence it lost in the mix.
It was a commercial movie with all the occasional tastelessness and melodrama associated with it. But critics these pretend that it doesnt exist at all. Something about it makes these secular critics very uneasy.
I dont know so much about Germany but in U.S Pakistani restaurants identify themselves as such but do offer Indian items such as biryani (which is not a dish created in Pakistan but in Lucknow and Hyderabad) and others. The Punjabi dishes such as paneer and tandoori dishes can be justifies as these were developed in undivided Punjab.
DeleteAnyhow north Indian restaurants usually Punjabi owned dont have south Indian dishes either. If they do , they are unable to grasp the nuances of the cuisine. Same for south Indian restaurant which offer north Indian dishes. I am yet to come across a restaurant that tackles both these broad distinctive regional cuisines with expertise.
if i were to list movies which gloried Islam it will cover most of the 70s t0 90s movies like amitabh bachans coolie , muqdar ka sikandar , amar akar anthony, quda gawa list is too if one were to include other actors also in regional films . most movies in those era did propagate ideas communism and inter religious marriage
DeleteEarlier films which featured inter religious marriage had Hindu man marrying Muslim women ,even actresses were Muslim but the Muslim mafia couldnt tolerate that so they reversed the dynamics.
DeleteI dont know about other regional films but Telugu films rarely if ever had a Muslim major character apart from kindly fakir or Pathan mercenaries/money lenders. A marriage between Hindu and Muslim was quite out of the question. The audience would never accept it. Despite nearly 700 year presence in the region, Muslims are still viewed as foreign and somewhat untrustworthy. Much of it is due to the fact that they dont speak Telugu.
Christians are far more visible in Telugu films than Muslims. And they are portrayed positively almost without exception unless they are British of course.
if portraying of Muslim as noble heroes in Bollywood had any effect of reversing anti Indian sentiments then it would been justified to some extent . one of my uncle who worked in air force once shared a story that during 1971 Bangladesh war
Deletesome of Muslim personnel in that unit didn't participate in war applied for leave .
Sir,
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Feroz Khan and Afghanistan, it looks like Taliban will be back there. What will be the fallout of Taliban's return to power in Afghanistan? Will it have consequences in Kashmir like some people assume?
Thanks.
Sir,
ReplyDeleteAfter reading your post, I think it is because of Stockholm syndrome that Bollywood is very often licking the posterior of Porkistan. Is it possible that captain was influenced heavily by this medium?
My Name Is Khan is not even worth its name. If only Shiv Sena did not outrage against that film, it would not have become a cult hit as it did.
Ironically when the Jihad in Kashmir happened, the govt in power was BJP, Communists and Jan Morcha. There was no govt in J&K at the time as Farooq Abdullah's govt was dismissed (or did he resign?). BJP's Jagmohan, then Governor of J&K, evacuated the Pandits from the valley. I do not think Pandits would want to return to the valley anyway, the trauma of Jihad would be too much to cope with.
But I have a slight feeling that you are overestimating Tamils. Tamils are not really the superhero types like they used to be in the past. They are a very placid lot these days. Definitely not like their cinema heroes.
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But definitely not going full Bollywood and licking the posterior of Porkistan either, no matter how much they love their political exceptionalism compared to the rest of India.
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Malayalees are experts at making money. They start with a tea stall and build big hotels and businesses. So it does not surprise me that captain has so much wealth.
Thanks.
Delete"After reading your post, I think it is because of Stockholm syndrome that Bollywood is very often licking the posterior of Porkistan. Is it possible that captain was influenced heavily by this medium?"
Captains tastes and customs are completely north Indian. He always uses Hindi not the 10000 years old Malayalam created by 10 strand DNA rishis. He refers to Hindi movies and hindi popular music all the time. Yes its possible he has imbibed his love of Pakistan through Bollywood
"But I have a slight feeling that you are overestimating Tamils. Tamils are not really the superhero types like they used to be in the past. They are a very placid lot these days. Definitely not like their cinema heroes."
I never implied all Tamils are like Singham LOL. At one time even the Jaffna Tamils (who later formed the bulk of LTTE) would flee from conflict rather than respond in kind to Sinhala aggression. 300 years of relative peace since Sankili II(last independent Tamil) king had made them rather placid as you say. It took a lot of provocation by Sinhalas and propogation of Tamil martial pride to get this lot to rise up again.
Anyhow one need not be a superhero to smash Pakistan. It is a zombie state animated only by machinations of its military. I mentioned Tamils because they have no love whatsoever for Pakistan, neither do they have hate. They are just cold towards it and are doing their job in an efficient way. Hate is a useful component when dealing with an enemy. Rajputs, Jats from Haryana, Rajasthan have no shortage of this or of courage. But the problem with too much hate that it compels you to make bad judgements.
Anyway CRPF and Air Force is disproportionately Tamil.
Come to think of it, you are right, captain behaves more like a North Indian than a Malayalee (except for his Kerala supremacism). He very rarely uses 10,000 year old Malayalam created by 12 strand DNA rishis, if at all. He supports Karva Chauth (which is not Malayalee culture anyway), he supports Indira and Rajiv Gandhi and of course now Narendra Modi (though Kerala rejected BJP outright), and many more.
DeleteI just said it was a slight feeling from my side about what you thought about Tamils. Nothing else. Thanks for clarifying.
Jaffna Tamils initially resisted fighting but the Sinhalese were too aggressive. There were plenty of Tamil militant organizations in Sri Lanka. LTTE did not comprise Tamil Vellalars but every other caste including descendants of Malayalee fishermen who were brought to that island by the British. Prabhakaran himself was a descendant of a Malayalee fisherman. Prabhakaran hated Sri Lankan Tamil Vellalars and spent most of the 1980s and early 1990s destroying organizations led by them and in many cases evicting them from Sri Lanka itself.
Indian Tamils are placid but they do not care for Porkistan and would not think before taking them on (except for one utterly moronic feminist).
But from what I am seeing, North Indians have too much rage and hate these days. It is uncontrolled and overwhelming.
Vellalars have a habit of easily cozying up to the ruling power. Whether the Portuguese and British in SL or Muslims(Vellala Polygars were more likely to submit than Maravars and Reddys) , French(marudhanayagam, Ananda Ranga Pillai) and British(administration staffed by Vellalas and British). Perhaps thats why Prabhabkaran find them unsuitable for inclusion in his outfit. Karuna who oversaw the Eastern Tamils who were Vellala broke off with LTTE to side with SL government proving Prabhakarans fears and suspicions.
DeleteForgot to mention , an exception to this are Kongu Vellalars i.e Gounders who were a tough lot. THey were more than happy to take on pretty much every one whether Tipu Sultan, Portuguese, Mughals, British or Marthanda Varma.
DeleteOn Vellalars, I agree. They always made peace with all kinds of powers. But then they were leading many rebel groups against the Sinhalese before LTTE wiped them out. And you're accurate on Colonel Karuna. North Sri Lankan Vellalars had already largely left the island.
DeleteAnd yes, Gounders fought against everybody who threatened them (I think Prem Chand himself is a Gounder?).
"an exception to this are Kongu Vellalars i.e Gounders who were a tough lot." --->YSV, What's the origin story of the Gounder jaati ?
DeleteGounder like Thevar and Pillai is a title more than one caste uses. The Gounders were a talking about here are Kongu Vellala. Their history is muddled, different sources say different things. Some say they were martiliazed by Cholas, some say they were demartialized due to their Kannada(Ganga dynasty) origin and had to go underground.
DeleteBut
Kongu Ganga kula Vellala Kshatriya
Kongu-region
Ganga kula- Ganga dynasty
Vellala- jati
Kshatriya- varna
Exclusively martial castes like Maravar dont have such specifications as their jati and varna is the same- Kshatriya/fighting sat shudra depending how a particular clan is Sanskritized
French(marudhanayagam, Ananda Ranga Pillai) and British(administration staffed by Vellalas and British)."
DeleteSorry typo , that should be staffed by Vellala and Brahmins.
Anyhow perhaps its more accurate to say that Gounders were more freedom oriented than other Vellala. As Vellala from northern districts were martial as well. Marudhanayam aka Mohd Yusuf Khan was an example who fought for the British before he turned against them. They were quite in awe of him.
"Jaffna Tamils initially resisted fighting but the Sinhalese were too aggressive. There were plenty of Tamil militant organizations in Sri Lanka. LTTE did not comprise Tamil Vellalars but every other caste including descendants of Malayalee fishermen who were brought to that island by the British. Prabhakaran himself was a descendant of a Malayalee fisherman. Prabhakaran hated Sri Lankan Tamil Vellalars and spent most of the 1980s and early 1990s destroying organizations led by them and in many cases evicting them from Sri Lanka itself."
DeletePrabhakaran was a Karaiyar , very much a Tamil caste ,not Malayalee and he married a Vellala woman. Sinhalized Karaiyars are called Karawa. The guy who saw to Prabhakarans downfall was also a Karaiyar/Karava - General Sarath Fonseka.
Karuna was actually a Mukkavar which is indeed a Malayalee fishing caste. But he ruled over Vellalas in the Eastern district.
Regarding the other militias , it was Prabhakarans contention that they were fifth columnists and Trojan horses who would betray Tamils to the SL. Im sure Prabhakaran was being a bit paranoid and brutal as was his nature. But there is often a kernel of truth in his paranoia.
Historians argue that the word Ilavar is derived from Villavar which means archers who were a warrior caste among the Dravidians who ruled most of India. They were also known as Ezhinar in Kerala which sounds quite similar to 'Ezhava'(also called Ezhavar).
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I have read that the Kannada Gowda (Deve Gowda) caste is related to Tamil Gounder. So much so that a group of Kannada speakers in Northern Tamil Nadu called Okkaligas call themselves Gounders.
DeleteOkkaliga Gowda and Vellala Gounder are very distinct identities specific to their region like say Reddys or Kammas. You are not likely to find a cognate caste in other states.However both Gowda and Gounder are also titles like Rao and Reddy were in the past. Vokkaligas who moved to Western TN and adopted the manners of their hosts and perhaps fought wars or distinguished themselves in other ways were given the honor of being Gounders.
DeleteI dont know about Gounder but the title Naidu which was associated with village heads, generals etc usually of Kapu and Kamma castes is adopted by pretty much every caste out there as they please. Same with Rao as well.
But it is curious that northern TN contemporary Kannadigas refer themselves as Gounder. Thats a puzzler.
The Kannada actor Rajkumar belong to Idiga caste which is southern Kanara community which is a cognate of Goud cast of AP (not to be confused to Gowda of Karnataka) and Nadars and Ezhavas/Thiyyas of Kerala. These are examples of related cognate castes. Maravar, Nair, Reddy dont have equivalent in other states. Best ignore Reddy propaganda that they are the progenitors/relatives of Rashtrakutas and Rajputs. Telugu Youtube and TV channels promote this type of historical rubbish.
Delete"Historians argue that the word Ilavar is derived from Villavar which means archers who were a warrior caste among the Dravidians who ruled most of India."
Are you referring to Rashtrakutas /Chalukyas or IVC era?
DeleteRegarding ezhava/izhavar this is from a knowledgable and reliable individual on quora, Siva Loganathan regarding their Sri Lankan connection.
According to an oral tradition, the īḻavar of Kerala, traditionally a caste of toddy-
-tappers, came from Sri Lanka in the distant past, bringing with them coconut palms. This legend, however, seems to be a modern fabrication during the British colonial period in the early 19th century. Dravidian linguist and Christian missionary Robert Caldwell was the first person to mention this origin mythology from Sri Lanka (īḻam) and no previous record associates the īḻavar caste with Sri Lanka. Another section of the īḻavar are known as tīyyar which the colonial authors interpreted as islanders as tīvu means island in Tamil, again linking them to Sri Lanka.
This myth was perhaps devised to encourage the supply of īḻavar-Shanar labourers to the British plantations in Ceylon, sort of like a “return to Zion” type of thing. These toddy-tapping groups had come under the focus of missionary activity and colonial labour recruitment; the Shanar of Tinnevelly, for example, constituted a significant portion of labour emigration to the plantations in Ceylon. Plantation owners preferred a docile labour force pacified by Christian ethos hence these so-called lower caste people made ideal recruits for both Christianity and cheap labour.
But why are toddy-tappers and the island of Sri Lanka known by the same term? Perhaps they were homophones, two different words with the same sound but different meanings. If not, it may be possible that the original meaning of īḻam was toddy (a palm wine) and later the island was associated with the term īḻam because of its abundance of coconut palm trees. It’s noteworthy that South India and Sri Lanka are among the largest producers of coconuts in the world.
The coconut palm was only cultivated in two regions, the Maritime Southeast Asia and the southern periphery of India, including Sri Lanka, the Maldives, and the Laccadives. Could it be possible that the coconut palm was introduced to South India, namely Kerala, from Sri Lanka and thereby corroborate the īḻavar’s origin mythology? In Tamil coconut tree is called teṉṉai and teṉ in Tamil means south, which has been taken to mean that the coconut tree came from the south (Sri Lanka) but this may be a faulty etymology. In Sinhala, unlike other Indo-Aryan languages, coconut is called pol, which has been interpreted as a word of Austroasiatic origin but interestingly it may be a cognate of the Tamil word pul which in its earlier usages was also applied to the palm tree family such as coconut and Palmyra although today it exclusively denotes grass and the Sinhala pol too can denote grass.
In sum, there’s no strong evidence to suggest such an īḻavar migration from Sri Lanka but it can’t be ruled out either as even if it’s a myth it may preserve some historical truth.
("This legend, however, seems to be a modern fabrication during the British colonial period in the early 19th century" )
Deletevery interesting reminds me of Aryan invasion theory which was promoted during that time if colonial British authors were not biased against native people then could provided us accurate history 18th century social structure of India.
I think the British scholars were genuinely interesting in knowledge for its own sake. of course they were much affected by their own biases and may not have had the checks and balances to minimize it.But on the whole they had no agenda. However they may have been pressurized by the authorities who held the purse strings to massage the narrative to conform to what they percieve as politically and socially useful.
DeleteWhat you said about Dawood Ibrahim is news to me. All these days I was thinking that he was the mastermind behind the 1993 Bombay blasts.
ReplyDeleteWhether or not he was a culprit, there's one "Ibrahim" I like: Dion Ibrahim. Former Zimbabwean cricketer. He was a good player but he hardly played for a few years before crisis struck Zimbabwe Cricket in 2004-05. It has been downhill for Zimbabwe since. I was only 11-12 at the time.
Too bad Zimbabwean race politics destroyed what was once a formidable side (especially during the 1990s).
i sometimes wonder if ajit vadakayil secretly converted to Islam he does have long beard he promotes the myth of Kodungallur mosque which has been debunked many people as it was used as conversion tool in Kerala . he condemns mughals by blaming Jews
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