Saturday, April 8, 2017

Why India doesnt function optimally?


I have seen various rationales for India sub par performance in pretty much every field (relative to its large size and impressive history) ranging from colonialism, socialism, rapacious capitalism, Hindu religion, Islamic dhimmitude ,plunder and psy ops warfare over population etc etc.

But all of these miss the forest for the trees. The main reason India is so horribly mismanaged is because Indian institutions whether Indian army, navy and air force,railways,  IAS, IPS as well most of the Indian bureaucracy ,media , elite universities is based on British models and these models were predicated on a foreign power exploiting India as a source of manpower, raw material ,money and other capital.

The British have left to be replaced by a "swadeshi" set of theives, crooks and incompetents who view the Indian populace irrespective of class, sect or caste as cattle to squeeze dry or if necessary sacrificed for their meat.

If none of these institutions function as to our satisfaction then we have indeed to ask the awkward question whether they were intended to function to benefit us. Alas the answer is :No!

As they say the test of the pudding is by tasting. So let us compare the performance of  prime ministers who were educated either abroad or in these institutions with that one person who wasnt: PV Narasimha Rao.who is considered the best PM of India.

I am not taking into account BJP PM's such as Bajpayee or Modi as they were technically educated by the RSS which was at worst a collaborator for British rule and at best a mute spectator. All the while espousing a nationalism which masquerades as religion which has its source in Garibaldi than any Indian counterpart.
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In short India is a misfit for Indians. So why would Indians thrive in it?

Most post colonial countries suffer from this very problem but due to India's large size, population , complex history and diversity , the problems have been exacerbated.

The solution? Nothing more tearing each and every institution and reforming them from the ground up. And yes in this I include the Indian army which as I mentioned before is not a friend of the Indian populace simply because its current and former employer (the Indian government and the British empire) do not care about Indian interests. It always amazed me that Indians would hurl the choices of (well deserved) abuses at their government ministers but let the Indian army go scot free.  To my mind the Indian army is simply a glorified version of the Indian police whose heavy handedness towards their clients as well their inadequacy in dealing with law and order or terrorism is well known.


Such a bottom up and top thrown overhaul will be unpleasant , messy , there may even be .blood. As there should be . This brings us to another problem with our independence movment. By and large India was bestowed independence not due to the efforts of Gandhi , Nehru(hahaha) but simply because India once a source of revenue was now a bottomless pit of money ,man power and capital which Britain ill afford after WWII despite delusions of grandeur of Winston Churchill. Interestingly the British saw the writing on the wall even before the Indians such as Nehru and promptly gave Churchill the boot in the 1946 election.

The British practically gave India away to their underlings and being underlings they had no capacity for leadership and independent thought or backbone. The sad results are there for all to see.

Study after study shows that people who win lotteries are usually worse off than before because mostly because the type of people who buy lottery tickets are lacking in discipline, far sightedness and have poor impulse control. India was a lottery won by dimwits and spineless cretins who were in the right place at the right time. But the difference here is that the citizens of India pay the price while the vermin at the top continue to reap the benefits.

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  1. @YSV

    I thoroughly enjoyed reading ur article,so much that I spontaneously recommended it for my followers on twitter :) _/\_ https://twitter.com/jam2579/status/850920275935862784 U have nailed the problem,the free indian govt post 1947 is nothing but a continuation of the already existing structure,just with some extra truckloads of bullshit communism.Apart from democracy and some fundamental rights,the indian constitution is basically a british constitution in disguise,rather a british constitution meant for her own colonies.And Nehru neither had the will nor the acumen to deliver properly post independence.Add to that the fact that Nehru himself was a Britain lover by heart,as was even noted by Gandhi.So we got a real bad PM as our first ,for a post indep nation reeling with lack of everything.Btw regarding this issue of change in the fundamental structure of governance and institutions,SCB had drafted a model constitution,which he named "Azad Hind constitution",back when he had taken charge of INA in Myanmar(actually at that time he was pretty worried that in case his INA managed to reach Delhi,there should be no chaos due to the sudden change of governance,as that would make the fellow indians suffer).In this constitution ,he tried to give shape to a govt&governance that would be more suitable to the indic lifestyle,even he had made the observation that the first thing post indep india should do must be the remodelling of governance framework,for the benefit of all Indians.Your post here echoes the same thought SCB had.But anyway as i was saying,for a heavily diversified nation like India,the current constitution is not at all worthy.

    YSV one more request,kindly block off all the fake accounts of spammer Amith Mishra,they neither look good nor match with the quality of your content.

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    1. Thanks JAM, I apreciate the shout out. Despite Bose's socialist leanings, his approach would have better for India as he seems to have envisioned a thorough dismantling of the British system and create new institutions specifically with Indians in mind.

      As for Amith Mishra, I believe his stupidity is obvious to all and should be seen. I did not take this approach with Milin Patel for example as he is not only stupid and immoral but utterly incapable of rational thought or intellectual honesty. His posts were utter poison and the intellectual equivalent of toxic waste which is why I removed them.
      Amith Mishra's low IQ is actually rather amusing and harmless!

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    3. I just mentioned you once to justify why I removed you but not Amith Mishra. It is you who is lurking here at my blog while I dont bother at all about your blog. Now who is pathetic hahaha

      " Nothing I said was immoral. On the contrary you consider gays and people engaging in incest as immoral... Just shows your disgusting mindset..."

      I dont think you know what the word disgusting means bro

      I will comment on your low IQ and lack of morals as I wish. And if you cant counter without providing a reasonable defense, I will just block you again. You can go around creating as many accounts as you wish. They will all be blocked unless you comply.

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    5. Whatever LOL. Like I give a crap about what you think.

      Look dude just because you have the hots for you mom and enjoy peeping while she is showering doesnt mean rest of the world shares your deviancy. Leave others to to their "disgusting" non incest lifestyles and you continue with yours.

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    6. When did I force my views on you? LOL. Also, when did I say I enjoy peeping when my mother is showering? LMAO! Drop your fantasies...

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    7. I never said you forced your views but asked you to stop sharing them. Clearly you have trouble with basic English

      I am not the one who promotes incest bro. Between me and you, the reader knows well enough who is more likely to do that.
      It is hilarious that you are offended at this when by your reasoning that is normal behavior. LOL schizophrenia thy name is Milin Patel.

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    8. It seems you are still using the same profile as before which I blocked. And you are bypassing using a proxy probably therefore I have to consider you a spammer and reported you.

      Of course until then you can keep posting and I will keep deleting. Aint nothing more frustrating than people deleting your well thought out(hahaha) posts , dont you think :-)

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    9. @YSV

      Of course until then you can keep posting and I will keep deleting. Aint nothing more frustrating than people deleting your well thought out(hahaha) posts , dont you think :-)


      LOL this was the ace of the whole convo :D

      @Milin

      Whats the harm in becoming a fan of a logical knowledgeable blogger?Honestly i have learnt a lot of new things reading the blogposts of YSV.And Isnt it somewhat better than being the fanboy of an incest marketeer :) ?

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  2. "You had said "Leave others to to their "disgusting" non incest lifestyles and you continue with yours." This implies that you felt like I was shoving my views down your throat, which I was not doing. It you didnt want me to share my views on incest, then why even bring the topic up?"

    "Implies" "felt like" In other words you are reading your own views into what I wrote. This seems to be your MO ,keep talking and arguing with no particular point or imagining you are some hotshot lawyer who can win a case on technicality. Im afraid to inform that despite your constant arguing you do an incredibly terrible job at getting your message across.

    Anyway I have had enough dishonest, dishonorable shits like you.Generally I dont like to bash people if I dont allow them to respond but people like you need not Harishchandra or Chauhan style adversaries but Chanakya ,Krishna or Shivaji as your personality is that of a rodent.

    And yes you are selling incest if you keep insisting that people justify their dislike of it to you. We need not justify not being deviants LOL. The insane are truly running the asylum in Milin Patels world

    Anyway all of your crap is deleted now. Enjoy

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  3. ysv ur ablutly right this character Milin Patel has the most dirtiest mind in world.
    he is more slimy than that Malayali fraud capt vadkyl which u mentioned in ur blog .his blogs are filled with blasphemy he interperts ramayan and mahabarata with his own deviant perversion . absltly disgusting i suppport u ysv rao


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    2. Milin Patel, I will keep deleting your comments no matter how many times you post them. Perhaps only this way you will learn to have basic decency, dignity and self respect, why else will you keep insisting on appearing in places where you are despised and ridiculed? Jeez man, there are whores with more shame and honor than you. At least they are not into incest...

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    5. Milin Patel , I generally though not always block trolls . But then again I let a lot of them slide through because they provide entertainment value despite their stupidity and abuse. You Milin Patel are just dull and stupid. You wont believe how many times I facepalmed reading your bullshit. You are a champion of fail.But this Im afraid you will learn only the hard way.
      I would abuse you in many ways but one thing I guess I wont be calling you is a whore or motherfucker for obvious reasons LOL

      And yes it isnt terribly sporting of me to delete your comments but I dont give a shit. You are a dishonest ,disgusting cretin of a man. Any tactic is acceptable in dealing with you.

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    6. LOL Ysv rao. You are the one who tried to shove away the findings that incestuous partners are more attracted to one another (and have more offspring) than non-incestuous ones due to family pressure... And you call me stupid? Haha... Your low iq level is obvious from your shallow comments. Feel free to delete this comment as well...

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    7. @milin
      You are a real pain in the head,and a stubborn dick,who doesnt even want to realise that incest is not everybody's liking,unlike urs :) btw do u enjoy with ur mom on bed every other day??just curious.

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    8. @JAM,

      Are you really that stupid dude? Or perhaps blind? Or perhaps do you lack comprehension? When did I recommend incest? I simply said that I don't mind if people engage in incest. Get it? As far as your comment on my mom is concerned, it just reveals your disgusting mentality... Just to insult me, you are dragging my mom into the picture... Well, I don't blame you for that as you are a Hindutva crackpot that idolizes Ysv Rao, another Hindutvadi who once said on his blog that had Vadakayil not been a captain, he would be selling peanuts on the street and his wife would be in a brothel... Just shows the misogynistic nature of both of you fellows... Anyways, kindly fuck off now as I don't really want to engage in a debate with an idiot like you!

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    9. @Milin

      LOL YSV a hindutva Vadi?? check some of his posts,before u brand him a hindutva vadi.And u dont know for sure what a hindutva vadi is,when u brand me one :) nowadays twitter is filled with such hindutva warriors,they lack both sanity and coherent thinking.Whatever YSV has said about vadakayil,i am least bothered.Because vadakayil himself says a lot more defaming things on random people,even historical personalities,for my liking.So vadakayil deserves every bit of it.he even personally attacked YSV through his blog,like a coward.Vadakayil otherwise doesnt have guts to face a proper debate in Koenraad Elst blog or similar open platforms.Whatever I have observed on u or ur mom,was not out of misogyny(that is something else),it was based on what u have been dishing through ur comments on this blog for quite some time.Similar opinions were held by another commenter also ,on ur inclinations for incest.

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    10. I think Milin Patel has taken the news of captain quitting blogging very hard. Hence he is lashing out at those who he percieved are responsible for this such as JAM and yours truly. He even started stalking me on my disqus account and he to no ones surprise ended up doing something incredibly stupid and counter productive simply to air his own weird views.
      On some conservative American site, some guy started talking about Sati and I said it came into prominence as we know it due to women wanting to avoid rape during Muslim conquests. Now our hero Milin comes and claims that Sati was always present and was a part of Hinduism. While technically true,this wasnt part of the discussion and the context being that sati was proof that Hinduism was intrinscially evil and this was made by some Eurocentric racist. Now by making this statement only due a spite against me, this idiot Milin Patel has yeilded the advantage to the white racist and on top of that aired our dirty laundry for the world to see
      But then again what can we expect from a weirdo thinks that everyone should be free to lust after their family members?
      Shame,self respect and dignity are alien words to him. Never common sense, facts and logic which are also in scarce supply considering he considers me a Hindutvadi LOL.

      The reason I keep refusing to engage Milin Patel is because he is that special breed of idiot who imagines that being contrarian and controversial makes him smart. If you say the sky is blue, he will give a hundred rationales as to why it is actually red. There is no point in wasting time with such people.

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    11. I see the captain being torn between two powerful but contradictory instincts. On one hand he feels he is incredibly knowledgable ,wise and brave and actually believes he is doing a sacred and noble duty by providing his distinctive brand of discourse. After all this is a guy who believes Modi got elected due to him and Putin learnt the HOlodomor from his blog and Trump was elected because he threw his support behind him earlier on in the election cycle.
      On the other hand, vain and thin skinned that he is, his constant banning of people who disagree with him even on a minor level left him with only a shell of followers who are probably terrified of spamming all the websites with his contents as he commands as they fear they will be banned/ blacklisted. Add to this the ridicule and humiliation he comes across due to his increasing notoriety.
      The followers are mostly gone but the stings and jokes from his detractors remain.
      As of now the latter aspect is affecting the captain more so he is considering stopping. But his hunger for attention and adoration may prompt him to return.

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    12. ysv I visited milin patel profile out of curiosity he runs a separate blog writes article about Ramayana etc I was shocked at level of justification incest and other sexual deviancy he justifies ravanas kidnap of sita ,
      turned Hanuman into a Gay Lover Of Sri RAM etc .I don't think he and captain vadkayil r in same page .if captain ever visits his blog by mistake
      he will set his minions to make sure to close and delete milin patel blogs out if existence

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    15. Sonam Gupta,

      LOL. I have not made a post on Seetha's kidnap yet, but will likely do so in the future. If you don't want to accept something I am claiming, why don't you try to refute it with facts? All my posts have quotes from Mahabharatha/Ramayana, etc... to support them... And no, I am not a supporter of Vadakayil... Vadakyil lacks a basic knowledge of scriptures.

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    16. @YSV&Sonam
      Capt is on another level of weeds on deviant sexual interests.Capt thinks all deviant sexual preferences are fuelled by rothschilds :D And by his logic,Milin would automatically fall in the group of R promotees .

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    17. @jam LOL ...... according that logic it also make milind patel real author
      Kamasutra since he has inserted many pornographic element into Mahabharata Ramayana in his blogs

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    18. my other point is you cannot expect Cornell educated son to promote his dads blogs with his colleagues saying PUNCH INTO GOOGLE
      capt vadkayil Rothschild , xyz etc ask his friends to promote his dads blogs in to social media etc , his son will end up being a social pariah in
      his office community

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    19. Sonam,

      Please learn to use your brain once in a while... There are no pornographic elements in my blog. Everything I post is backed by textual evidence and all the pictures I have posted would even be decent by your standards! But nevertheless, its amusing seeing how ashamed you and your friend JAM (not to forget to mention your idol ysv rao) are when it comes to sex... Haha!

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    20. @milin

      Its not wholly unnatural to have contradictions ,especially when we are on a path of learning and understanding of complexities.However the problem with u is that u seem to be proudly defending ur own contradictions :) as for me,i am not ashamed of sexual descriptions as such,its just that i am no more bothered about what u are dishing through ur comments or on ur blogposts.Just like i am not particularly bothered about ur relationship with ur mom,that doesnt interest me to a great deal,apart from being mildly curious about the same,considering the fact that i am seeing u speak up for incest .

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    21. JAM,

      Thats nice to hear! I never promoted incest. I just said that I don't have a problem if people engage in it, as its normal behavior, just like being gay... BTW, what contradictions did you note in my claims? It might be a learning experience for me as well... :)

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    22. @milin patel in comparison with captain ur a mental midget , in ur blogs u interpret some random shlokas and claim it as proof to ur argument without understanding meaning urself . u never learn 4m mistake even if its clearly pointed out. the least i speak about ur incest lifestyle and ur blog ,its better.

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  4. ysv Iam glad that captain has decided to quit while he is ahead. I don't understand why is he complaining that his readers don't publish his links to PMO Facebook twitter etc. I think readers did him a favour by not taking him seriously. otherwise
    he would have faced multiple defamation cases for his racist rants, hurting religious sentiments, hate speech ,misogyny, spreading false rumors etc imagine how many P I Ls would been filed against him I n court. he is no stranger when it comes to LAW. He should he glad that his blog site is not yet profiled as anti sematic by ADL or other Jewish organisation , they would have made his life living hell if he was in USA .he is currently holed up in Manipal , if Adl and other Jewish organisation had their way he would definitely make him homeless and stateless person.

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    3. ysv now that captain has quit blogging ,he will find more time to stay drunk while his wife serves him alcohol.

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    4. dont rejoice so early :) It may well be just a gimmick of capt,to garner sympathy wave among his followers,and bring out their hidden potentials in spreading his name with even more vigour :)

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    5. @jam ur right about captain trying to garner sympathy wave ,he is still commenting in his blogs , I suspect he will declare it was all just a backswing of vadkayil.

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    6. @sonam In U.S.A they have the freedom of speech so captain can make whatever claims he wants about Jews etc but there is no legal recourse against it. Neither should it be . The first amendment is a great thing which actually most western countries-forget most countries- dont have.
      However if he was trying that in Canada , France or Germany for sure he would be taken to court and if found guilty fined and/or thrown in jail.

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    7. http://historum.com/asian-history/125489-sikhs-cow-slaughter-4.html

      Here is Milin Patel praising PN Oak in a very passive aggressive manner. Note he is not outright supporting Oak (which would invite him instant ridicule) but saying that Oak may be wrong but he makes some good points. And asks other to comment on Taj Mahal as Tejo Mahalay.

      I can think of only two possibilities here-
      a) Milin Patel is your average idiot PN Oak supporter but fears saying so openly
      b) He is thoroughly lacking in historical facts, analysis of evidence and even plain common sense if he even doesnt believe PN Oak but considers him credible enough to seek more info about his claims

      Either way he exposed himself as a damn fool

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    8. milin patel seems like tapeworm of pn oak

      ysv In usa its only on the paper they have the freedom of speech The first amendment right etc,
      if any one in USA is anti sematic activists u can expect them to b raided by I r s f b i Adl B'nai B'rith etc will absolutely make their life miserable , u will not find any jobs in usa . again captains own son works in USA if they find out about his dad and anti-Semitic blog u can expect Cornell educated son to deported and soon turn into jobless person .this itself is proof that nobody takes him seriously all his blog counts is sham
      I doubt anyone in his home state recognizes who is captain vadakyil?

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    9. The first amendment simply states that the government cant prosecute you for your speech as long as it doesnt call for violence.

      Of course any one who has unpopular views will be a social pariah and may lose his livelihood. But that is upto the company that hires him and the decision is at their discretion.
      I doubt any one in U.S will care enough about the captain to punish his sons.
      George W Bush White House spokesman Scott McClellan's father for eg. had some crackpot views about how Lyndon B Johnson arranged the assasination of JFK. Scott's response was simply that he doesnt agree with his father and this disagreement should be a private matter.
      Generally in U.S they dont condemn you for the views of your relatives. Sure there will be some twitter mob outrage and calls to apologize but these dissipate in a couple of days and these online vigilantes move on to some next target.

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    11. Historum is a public forum which I recommended to you in case you have forgotten. While it is obvious you were randomly googling my name to respond to me via disqus.
      Anyway it is this type of cheap dishonesty that you shamelessly argue.

      Which is why I am deleting your crap comments.

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  5. @ ysv jam what do u think about this blog How Adi Shankara destroyed Buddhism and founded ‘Hinduism’ in the 8th century http://bapumraut.blogspot.in/2013/02/how-adi-shankara-destroyed-buddhism-and.html

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      To some extent 3 saints of india did fight against buddhism on an ideological ground,they are Adi Shankara,Madhavacharya&Chaitanya Dev.However i dont know how much of the proposition that Adi Shankara destroyed buddhism totally is valid,though he did fight against buddhists,on the ideological front.Because even long after Adi Shankara,Chaitanya Dev had to fight with buddhists who would otherwise have created a buddhist bengal ,if let alone.Also on a side note,much of the affinity to buddhism and islam among lower castes was fuelled by caste system within hinduism,something i found hindutva vadis are pretty uncomfortable acknowledging :) Because their sole narrative of islam being pushed into with swords would otherwise break away then.I have discussed this with many online keyboard hindu warriors on twitter,they are just like vadakayil,they would outright deny that anything bad was ever there in hinduism.the problem is that this denial doesnt make any historical sense(bhakti movement or accounts of the medieval literature),but then again online hindutva brigade or vadakayils never cared for historical sense.there goes my own perspective on this :) However for any historical question,u have a master in the form of YSV :) I am also eagerly waiting to know YSV's own perspective on this issue.

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    2. @ jam I agree with on most parts what caught my attention about the article in the blog

      “According to many scholars hostility of the Brahmanas was one of the major causes of the decline of Buddhism in India.”

      Yuan Chwang’s account reads, “In recent times Shashanka, the enemy and oppressor of Buddhism, cut down the Bodhi tree, destroyed its roots down to the water and burned what remained.” [Watters II p.115] He also says that Shashanka tried “to have the image (of Lord Buddha at Bodhgaya) removed and replaced by one of Shiva”.

      Even after the Islamic invasions of India, Hindu bigotry and hatred for Buddhists was not subdued. According to Sharmasvamin, a Tibetan pilgrim who visited Bihar three decades after the invasion of Bakhtiaruddin Khilji in the 12th century, the biggest library at Nalanda was destroyed by Hindu mendicants who took advantage of the chaos produced by the invasion.

      He says that “they (Hindus) performed a Yajna, a fire sacrifice, and threw living embers and ashes from the sacrifice into the Buddhist temples. This produced a great conflagration which consumed Ratnabodhi, the
      nine-storeyed library of the Nalanda University“. [Prakash, 213]. Numerous destroyed Buddhist shrines were converted into Hindu temples after their destruction

      Similarly, at Kushinara, where the Buddha had entered into Mahaparinirvana, the cremation stupa had been converted into a Hindu temple, and on top of it stood the temple of Rambhar Bhavani when
      Cunningham discovered the site in 1860-61.

      And the famous Jagannatha temple at Puri in Orissa was also originally a Buddhist shrine.

      Similarly, the Vishnupada temple at Gaya was also once a Buddhist shrine.” As Rajendralal Mitra notes in his famous work of 1878 [quoted in Ahir, 59] the feet of Buddha at Gaya were rechristened the feet of Vishnu and held as the most sacred object of worship in the new Vishnupada temple.

      According to the records of Hieun Tsang and Kalhana’s Rajaatarangini, Asoka the great repented, converted to Buddhism (273-232 BC) and did a lot for Buddhism. Asoka renounced violence, and renounced his religion after the Kalinga war, and he became a Buddhist. During Asoka, Buddhism had become the state religion. The Brahmans did not like him, and many historians think the Brahaman opposition to Asoka led to the destruction of the Muyarian dynasty. contd............



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    3. THE HINDU KASHATRIYA HINDU AND BUDDHIST WARS
      Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says (Page 103 and 104) “Chandragupta proclaimed his holy war “against all foreign rulers in India. The Kashatriyas and the Aryan aristocracy, deprived of their power and positions by the aliens (Kushans), were at the back of this war. After a dozen or so years of fighting, Chandragupta managed to gain control over Northern India including what is now called UP. He then crowned himself king of kings. Thus began the Gupta dynasty. It was a period of somewhat aggressive Hinduism and nationalism. The foreign rulers-the Turkis and Parathions and other Non-Aryans were rooted our and forcibly removed. We thus find racial antagonism at work. The Indo-Aryan aristocrat was proud of his race and looked down upon these barbarians and malachas. Indo-Aryan States and rulers were conquered by the Guptas were dealt with leniently, But there was not leniency for non-Aryans.

      Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says “Chandragupta’s son Samadugupta was an even more aggressive fighter than his father….the Kushans were pushed back across the Indus…Samadugupta’s son, Chandragupta II was also a warrior king, and he conquered Kathiwad and Gujrat, which had been under the rule of a Saka or Turki dynasty for a long time. He took the name Vikramaditya…..The Gupta period was a period of Hindu imperialism in India. There was a great revival of old Aryan culture and Sanskrit learning. The Hellenistic, or Greek and Mongolian elements in Indian life and culture which had been brought by the Greeks, Kushans and others were not encouraged, and were in fact deliberately superseded by laying stress on the Indo-Aryan traditions. Sanskrit was the official court language. But EVEN IN THOSE DAYS SANSKRIT WAS NOT THE COMMON LANGUAGE OF THE PEOPLE.
      The spoken language was a form of Prakrit….Kalidasa belonged to this period ……………. Samadragupta changed the capital of his empire from Pataliputra (Peshawar) to Ayodhia. Perhaps he felt that Ayodhiya
      offered a more suitable outlook–with its story of Ramachandra immortalized in Valmikis epic

      HINDU BUDDHIST CONFLICT
      Jawarhalal Nehru in his book Glimpses of World History says “The Gupta revival of Aryanism and Hinduism was naturally not very favorably inclined towards Buddhism. This was partly because this movement was aristocratic, with the Kashatriya chiefs backing it, and Buddhism had more democracy in it; partly because the Mahayana form of Buddhism was closely associated with the Kushans and other alien rulers of northern India….but Buddhism declined in India…Chandragupta the first was a contemporary of Constantine the great, the Roman Emperor who founded Constantinople. “

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    4. The Buddha’s fight against Brahminism won him many enemies from among the Brahmins. They were not as greatly opposed to his philosophical teachings as they were to his message of universal brotherhood and equality for it directly challenged their hegemony and the scriptures that they had invented to legitimize this. To combat Buddhism and revive the tottering Brahminical hegemony, Brahminical revivalists resorted to a three-pronged strategy.

      Firstly, they launched a campaign of hatred and persecution against the Buddhists. Then, they appropriated many of the finer aspects of Buddhism into their own system so as to win over the “lower” caste Buddhist masses

      The final stage in this project to wipeout Buddhism was to propound and propagate the myth that the Buddha was merely another ‘incarnation’ (avatar) of the Hindu god Vishnu. Buddha was turned into just another of the countless deities of the Brahminical pantheon.

      The Untouchables, that the ancestors of today’s Dalits were Buddhists who were reduced to the lowly status of ‘untouchables’ for not having accepted the supremacy of the Brahmins. They were kept apart from other people and were forced to live in ghettos of their own. Being treated worse that beasts of burden and forbidden to receive any education, these people gradually lost touch with Buddhism, but yet never fully reconciled themselves to the Brahminical order. Many of them later converted to Islam, Sikhism and Christianity in a quest for liberation from the Brahminical religion. contd......

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    5. The Brahimns, who were once voracious beef-eaters, turned vegetarian, imitating the Buddhists in this regard. Popular devotion to the Buddha was sought to be replaced by devotion to Hindu gods such as Rama and Krishna. The existing version of the Mahabharata was written in the period in which the decline of Buddhism had already begun, and it was specially meant for the Shudras, most of whom were Buddhists, to attract them away from Buddhism. Brahminism, however, still prevented the Shudras from having access to the Vedas, and the Mahabharata was possibly written to placate the Buddhist Shudras and to compensate them for this discrimination.

      The Mahabharata incorporated some of the humanistic elements of Buddhism to win over the Shudras, but, overall, played its role of bolstering the Brahminical hegemony rather well. Thus, Krishna, in the Gita, is made to say that a person ought not to violate the “divinely ordained” law of caste. Eklavya is made to slice off his thumb by Drona, who is finds it a gross violation of dharma that a mere tribal boy should excel the Kshatriya Arjun in archery

      The various writer of the puranas, too, carried on this systematic campaign of hatred, slander and calumny against the Buddhists. The Brahannardiya Purana made it a principal sin for Brahmins to enter the house of a Buddhist even in times of great peril. The Vishnu Purana dubs the Buddha as Maha Moha or ‘the great seducer’. It further cautions against the “sin of conversing with Buddhists” and lays down that “those who merely talk to Buddhist ascetics shall be sent to hell.” contd.........

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    6. In the Gaya Mahatmaya, the concluding section of the Vayu Purana, the town of Gaya is identified as Gaya Asura, a demon who had attained such holiness that all those who saw him or touched him went straight to heaven. Clearly, this ‘demon’ was none other the Buddha who preached a simple way for all, including the oppressed castes, to attain salvation. The Vayu Purana story goes on to add that Yama, the king of hell, grew jealous at this, possibly because less people were now entering his domains. He appealed to the gods to limit the powers of Asura Gaya. This the gods, led by Vishnu, were able to do by placing a massive stone on the “demon’s” head. This monstrous legend signified the ultimate capture of Budhdhism’s most holy centre by its most inveterate foes.


      Kushinagar, also known as Harramba, was one of the most important Buddhist centres as the Buddha breathed his last there. The Brahmins, envious of the prosperity of this pilgrim town and in order to discourage people from going there, invented the absurd theory that one who dies in Harramba goes to hell, or is reborn as an ass, while he who dies in Kashi, the citadel of Brahminism, goes straight to heaven.

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    7. In addition to vilifying the fair name of the Buddha, the Brahminical revivalists goaded Hindu kings to persecute and even slaughter innocent Buddhists. Sasanka, the Shaivite Brahmin king of Bengal, murdered the last Buddhist emperor Rajyavardhana, elder brother of Harshavardhana, in 605 AD and then marched on to Bodh Gaya where he destroyed the Bodhi tree under which the Buddha had attained enlightenment. He forcibly removed the Buddha’s image from the Bodh Vihara near the tree and installed one of Shiva in its place

      Another such Hindu king was, Mihirakula, a Shaivite, who is said to have completely destroyed over 1500 Buddhist shrines. The Shaivite Toramana is said to have destroyed the Ghositarama Buddhist monastery at Kausambi.

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    8. In Kerala, Sankaracharya and his Hindu fanatic close associate Kumarila Bhatta, an avowed enemy of Buddhism, organized a religious crusade against the Buddhists. We get a vivid description of the pleasure of Sankaracharaya on seeing the people of non-Brahmanic faith being burnt to death from the book Sankara Digvijaya (World Victory).

      According to the Charyapada (First Bangla Book)and Sankara’s Digvijaya book havoc played in Kerala, Bangladesh, West Bengal, Bihar and all South Asia. Kumarila Bhatta instigated king Suddvannan of Ujjaini to exterminate the Buddhists

      In 1906 Pandit Haraprasad Sastri discovered the first Bangla book the “Charyapada” from the Royal Library of Nepal and he declared that Bangla language was started from the Buddhist thoughts

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    9. Dr. Mohammad Shahidullaha and Dr. Suniti Kumar Chatterjee discovered that Brahmanism was started to destroy Buddhism. Hindu politics pays respect to the Buddha as the “Vishnu’s 9th Avatar.” Hindu rulers did not convert to Buddhism but they convert the Buddha as the Hindu god and the sinister conspiracy was started to destroy Buddhists in India. Hindu and Brahmin politics could not tolerate at all as the separate Buddhist existence in India.



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    10. In Kerala, Sankaracharya and his Hindu fanatic close associate Kumarila Bhatta, an avowed enemy of Buddhism, organized a religious crusade against the Buddhists. We get a vivid description of the pleasure of Sankaracharaya on seeing the people of non-Brahmanic faith being burnt to death from the book Sankara Digvijaya (World Victory).

      According to the Charyapada (First Bangla Book)and Sankara’s Digvijaya book havoc played in Kerala, Bangladesh, West Bengal, Bihar and all South Asia. Kumarila Bhatta instigated king Suddvannan of Ujjaini to exterminate the Buddhists

      In 1906 Pandit Haraprasad Sastri discovered the first Bangla book the “Charyapada” from the Royal Library of Nepal and he declared that Bangla language was started from the Buddhist thoughts
      There are hundred of places in Keral, Bangladesh, Bihar, West Bengla and Uttar Pradesh having the names like Buddha vihar, (Dharma Thakur), palli (or Buddha Vihar in Kerala) either affixed or suffixed with them. In Kerala karungapalli, Karthikapalli, Pallickal, Pallipuram are some of the examples of these places. The term palli means a Budhist Vihara in Kerala. It should be noted that Kerala had 1, 200 years Buddhist tradition. Till recently schools in Kerala had been called as Ezhuthupalli or Pallikoodam. Our Christian and Muslim brothers use the term Palli to donate their place of worship in Kerala
      They exterminated 1, 200 Buddhist tradition and transformed Kerala into a Brahmanical State. Original inhabitants of Kerala like the Ezhavas, Pulayas etc. were crushed under the yoke of cateism. Many Buddhist Temples or Viharas transformed into Hindu temples and the majority of the people were prevented from entering the temples under the pretext of tragedy of caste system. A number of the Buddha statues have been found at places like Ambalapuzha, karungaoalli, Pallickal, Bharanikkavu, Mavelikkara and Neelamperur. They are all in disfigured state.

      A large number of Buddhist temples were usurped by the Fanatic Brahmins and were converted into Hindu temples where the poor Hindus and Untouchables, Srisailam of Karnataka and many others as they were originally the Buddhist temples

      The Buddhist places were projected as the Hindu temples by writing puranas which were concocted myths or pseudo-history. Badrinath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Srinegeri, Buddhagaya, Saranath, Delhi, Nalanda, Gudiallam, Nagarjuna konda, Srisailam and Sabarimala (Lord Ayyappa) in Kerala are some of the striking examples of the Brahmanic usurpation of the Buddhist centres. At Nagarjunakonda, the Adi Sankara (8th century) of Kerala played a demon’s role in destroying the Buddhist statues and monuments. Longhurst who conducted excavations of Nagarjuna Konda has recorded this in his book Memoirs of Archaelogical Survey of India No. 54, The Buddhist Antiquites of Nagarjuna Konda (Delhi, 1938, page 6

      In this way, Hindu scholars including Swami Vivekananda discovered that the temples of Lord Jagannath of Puri, Vithula of Pandharpur, Ayyappa of Kerala

      Shashanka, the Shaivite Brahmin king of Bengal was manipulated by the Brahmins to become a ferocious oppressor of the Buddhists

      Shashanka had also murdered the last Buddhist emperor Rajyavardhana, elder brother of Harshavardhana,
      After the rule of Shashanka, the Pala kingdom was established in Bengal. Though the Palas of Bengal had been hospitable to Vaishnavism and Saivism, but nonetheless they were major supporters of Buddhism. However, when Bengal came under the rule of the Senas (1097-1223), Saivism was promulgated and Buddhism was neglected.

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    11. @jam and ysv i had post most part of the article into ur comment section hence its was long but it would have made any sense to discuss futher points

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    12. Sonam Gupta, it seems you have bought wholesale into the neo Buddhist Dalit propaganda. That is a lot of info to dissect which I will get to soon. But I will just start with this: Buddha himself was never anti Brahmanical in that he was not leading a social revolution but he criticized Brahmin ritualism as insufficient and saw himself as a revivalist rather than creating a new religion. Brahmins never persecuted him . Indeed most of his followers were usually Brahmin or Kshatriya.

      Kumarila Bhatta was mocked and ridiculed at Nalanda university which by then had become a bastion of Buddhist supremacists who had become anti Vedic. Clearly by then Buddhism had become a seperate religion altogether. Bhatta distaste for Buddhism was due to these incidents, he was no more fanatical than those Buddhists.

      Then as now Buddhists werent always about peace and love , if you want proof checkout all the military dictatorships of South East Asia -Thailand, Burma and Sri Lanka. All have support of Buddhist monks. Same goes for Japan during WWII.

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    13. @ JAM the number of low castes who converted to Buddhism or Islam is actually not much. However Buddhism had an appeal for elites and foreigners. Lower castes were quite accustomed to their rough and tumble non veg lifestyle for which Buddhism was a poor fit.
      We can make the analogy with Islam . As you have stated that despite so many Muslim dynasties over 100s of years , Hinduism has survived. Similarly despite the powerful Buddhist and Jain empires of Maurya, Palas, Rashtrakutas not to mention extensive patronage to Buddhism by Vedic and Shaivite dynasties such as Cholas, Pallavas, Satavahanas etc, most lay people were least bothered about Buddhism and preferred their old religion.
      The people who converted to Islam were usually pastoralists and nomads in the northwest (today Pakistan) and in East Bengal they were tribals who were new converts to Hinduism and the Mughals in general developed East Bengal a great deal by clearing forests and swamps and implementing irrigation. As a result Bengal was the most productive and richest province until Punjab overtook them in the same manner.
      In other words ,its not low castes who were susceptible to Islam but those outside the caste system such as Dalits , tribals, nomads etc.

      Sonam Gupta subscribes to neo Buddhist propaganda of cruel Brahmanic religions persecuting innocent Buddhists while leaving out the inconvenient details of how much Vedic and Shaivite dynasties supporting Buddhism so much so that a moulding took place in the form of Tantric Buddhism. Neither does she mention that Buddhists were shrinking violets when they were in power.

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    14. Forgot to mention, during the late medieval/early modern era where the British started crawling their way in, the caste system became quite cruel and hence we see in Kerala where nearly 70% of the population converted to Islam and Christianity.

      In AP, the %age of Christians is much higher than the nonsense figure of 5% or so. Same goes for TN.
      In Bihar as well as Orissa, most of the Christians are either lower castes or tribals.
      These two regions were ruled by Muslims(less so TN) but in Telangana atleast most of the Muslims are of foreign origin, very few converted. Same goes for Karnataka where a Kannada Muslim is almost an oxymoron.

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    15. @YSV

      There u gave me one more thing to learn,the sociological difference between the behaviour of outcastes and lower castes :) if u so like,u can write a series of posts on the common misconceptions of Hindutva fanatics on ancient&medieval indian history.like their mindless bashing of buddhism or islam,or their endless glorifying of hinduism overlooking all social problems.and even their addiction to vegetarian puritanism :) Infact many consider Hindus of bengal,north east and kerala to be weak and imbecile because these are nonvegan belts.

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    16. ysv I don't subscribe to any neo Buddhist propaganda , it was just bring out discussion and aslo I found few points interesting

      ysv plz read carefully nowhere in artice it states budda was prosecuted
      it was Buddhists

      again reading frm ur comment u have not proved or disproved anything,

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    17. And I thought I informed you not to copy and paste or rather spam the comments from other posts wholesale. If you do this again I will block you.

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    18. @ ysv not need to get upset as earlier I pointed out if I didn't , u will not understand full context of discussion. look everyone has their own personal bias I don't mind ending the topic , if u want to delete my comments I don't mind it. but still I have yet understand ur stance on this topic .I have used caps in few comments to highlight my points , u can say I picked that habit from following captains blog.

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  7. what I do agree is that
    The Buddhist places were projected as the Hindu temples by writing puranas which were concocted myths or pseudo-history. Badrinath, Mathura, Ayodhya, Srinegeri, Buddhagaya, Saranath, Delhi, Nalanda, Gudiallam, Nagarjuna konda, Srisailam and Sabarimala (Lord Ayyappa) in Kerala are some of the striking examples of the Brahmanic usurpation of the Buddhist centres

    they concoted myth like Gaya Mahatmaya, Gaya Asura, a demon who had attained such holiness that all those who saw him or touched him went straight to heaven. Clearly, this ‘demon’ was none other the Buddha

    again it was not about BUDDHA IT WAS BAOUT BUDDHISM VS HINDUISM AND BRAHAMANICAL ATEMPT TO STOP AND SAVE HINDUISM

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    1. The existing version of the Mahabharata was written in the period in which the decline of Buddhism had already begun, and it was specially meant for the Shudras, most of whom were Buddhists, to attract them away from Buddhism. Brahminism, however, still prevented the Shudras from having access to the Vedas, and the Mahabharata was possibly written to placate the Buddhist Shudras and to compensate them for this discrimination.

      The Mahabharata incorporated some of the humanistic elements of Buddhism to win over the Shudras, but, overall, played its role of bolstering the Brahminical hegemony rather well. Thus, Krishna, in the Gita, is made to say that a person ought not to violate the “divinely ordained” law of caste

      AGAIN I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT BHAGAVAT GITA HAS MANY INTERPOLATION AND PARADOXES ,CONTRADCITIONS , U HAVE LOOK AT BHAGAVATGITA FROM MAHABHARATA PRESPECTIVE NOT THE PHILOSPHICAL ONE .

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    2. hindu puranas have evolved over the millennium Another symbolism in trinity story is "Brahma" represents culture of north-western india (Oxus river civilization to Indus river stretch), "Vishnu" represents culture of south and east part (east of Indus to Ganges and down south). Shiva sect originated in north of Himalaya and finally subdued or united people of other two cultures (story of Shiva sending Brahma and Vishnu to find start and end of Jyotilingam). Note that out of these three, there is only mention of Vishnu in vedas, that too as smaller gods. Another interesting symbol is flower on which Brahma sits. Check about "Brahm Kamal" (Saussurea obvallata) which is present only in northern hillside areas.

      Their is another story of Shiva cutting one head of Brahma, leaving only four out of five. That head was facing north. Shiva also made bowl out of that skull (tribal custom which even mongols followed earlier). Inference would be Shaivite followers decimated one kingdom of Brahma culture which was in north.

      Another story of Shiva drinking "vish" is again a metaphor for a drought and destruction. "Vish" is inferred as poison in current sanskrit, however, as per vedic sanskrit, it means "water" and in pashto (Afganistan) meaning is "tribe". Shiva drank "vish" meant water was gone and Shiva culture adopted the displaced tribe. Also, interesting part is Asura and Daitya words, depicted Ahura (Zorastrian god) and people of daitya river (most likely Oxus river). So, fight between Devtas and Asuras was nothing but a struggle between two cultures, Zorastrian/Persian and Indus. People suffered in between regions and found peace in north Himalaya or in Shiva.

      Entire picture of human form of Shiva is full of symbolism. Ganges culture, though, decimated are treated with respect and put on head. Naga tribes take the neck and voice. Rudraksh are also part of Buddhism tradition. Moon represents moon clan (Yuezhi, also called Tushara or Thakore). Third eye is the only odd which does not match with any indian tradition or symbol. Only possible explanation can be greek influence. Note that Greeks ruled north western part for quite long time (Bactria). Greek mythology depicts third eye as special power of vision to see past and future. POINT BEING MANY MYTHS THAT WE NOW HEAR IS RESULT OF ANICENT HSITROY NOR A RELGIOUS ALLEGORY MANY ADDITION HAVE SINCE BEEN MADE INCLUDING the myth that the Buddha was merely another ‘incarnation’ (avatar) of the Hindu god Vishnu. Buddha was turned into just another of the countless deities of the Brahminical pantheon.And the famous Jagannatha temple at Puri in Orissa was also originally a Buddhist shrine.Hindu politics pays respect to the Buddha as the “Vishnu’s 9th Avatar.” Hindu rulers did not convert to Buddhism but they convert the Buddha as the Hindu

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    3. ysv I will aslo address ur points u said "The people who converted to Islam were usually pastoralists and nomads in the northwest (today Pakistan) and in East Bengal they were tribals who were new converts to Hinduism and the Mughals in general developed East Bengal a great deal by clearing forests and swamps and implementing irrigation" THAT IS JUST A PART OF REASON
      DURING BRITHISH RULE CONVESRION TO ISALM HAD STOPPED AS INTIALLY THEY SIDED HINDU RULERS ,LATER THEY SWITCHED TO SUPORRTING RADICAL ISALM LIKE MUSLIM LEAGUE JINNAH ETC. BRITISH SUPPORTED CONVESRION ON EAST BENGAL SIDE AND SIDES OF BIHAR UP ETC TO OPEN UP TANNRY FACTROY .HINDUS REFUSED TO WORK IN TANNERIES HUGE PARTS OF THE POPULATION USING MULLAHS . THESE CONVERTED POOR DALIT MUSLIMS SLOGGED IN THE TANNERIES. MOST OF THEM WERE AT THE SEA END OF GREAT RIVERS INDUS/ GANGES/ BRAHMAPUTRA ( TO PREVENT RIVER POLLUTION ) --AND KANPUR ..

      WHY CAWNPORE AT THE MID PART OF GANGES ? IT HAD THE LARGEST BRITSH ARMY CANTONMENT DURING WW1

      WHY DID BANGLADESH HAVE SO MANY BENGALI MUSLIMS ?-- THEY WERE ALL TANNERY WORKERS -WORKING AT THE END OF RIVERS BEFORE THEY JOINED THE SEA--SO THAT THE WHOLE RIVER IS NOT POLLUTED
      AZAN CALLS U HEAR WAS ACTUALLY A FACTROY SIREN INSTALLED TO WAKE UP DALIT MULSIMS TO WORK IN FACTROY AT 5AM DURING BRTISH RULE
      TODAY THERE IS A VESTED INTEREST . MUSLIM FAMILIES ARE WOKEN UP AT 5AM. MEN MAY GO TO THE MOSQUE

      ysv I used caps to highlight my points so don't mind plz

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    4. I don't fully agree with author that Brahmins caused Buddhist holocaust and they persecuted Dalit's finally like to say I don't subscribe to neo Buddhist propaganda and Brahmin atrocities against Dalit
      but historically at one point Buddhism was wide spread in India many Dalit's may have been a Buddhist one point . only Brahman community that did have such power were usually close to kings like jyothis pandits Vedic teachers etc

      I would defiantly be open to discussion accept counter point also but from what I read ur comment above u have not made ur very stance clear

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  8. Sonam Gupta,

    Adi Shankara never "destroyed" Buddhism. Buddhism in many instances tried to destroy Hinduism (and till date, still do). Adi Shankara simply defended Hinduism from Buddhist onslaught down south (he was from Kalady in Kerala). And like JAM said above, Chaitanya Dev defended Bengal's Hindu culture from Buddhist onslaught. Since I'm from Tamil Nadu, I know pretty well how Jains and Buddhists tried to erase our Saivite/Vaishnavite cultures in their entirety. They even went as far as replacing Tamil with Pali and Prakrit in order to undermine Saivism and Vaishnavism. This was during the Kalabhra era (230 CE to 600 CE), the period of Tamil silence and darkness. Even today, take a look at Buddhist countries: Myanmar and Sri Lanka for instance. Talk about peace, while shredding entire populations to pieces - That is political Buddhism in a nutshell.

    I'd suggest not buying into the neo Ambedkarist propaganda, since they're laced with hatred for anything Hindu while attempting to whitewash Islamic atrocities against Buddhists. In fact, even Ambedkar said that Islamic invaders destroyed Buddhist culture in India in its entirety. But why do neo Ambedkarists say "Jai Bhim, Jai Mim" today? Dr. Ambedkar equally opposed both Hinduism and Islam. Why do these neo Buddhist Dalits try to cover this up? We all know why. It's another story that they have no widespread support and will dissipate soon.

    Thanks.

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  9. thanks 4 reply Iniyavel the above topic was from another blog I wanted opinion on that . I still have doubt why hindus don't celebrate Buddha even though he was supposed to be 9th avatar there is no purana dedicated to him . also I still have doubt whether Brahmins were beef eaters and had influence to end Buddhism in India






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    1. Like Rao sir said, not just Brahmins, pretty much everybody was eating all kinds of meet including beef. Buddhism still did exist. Islamic invaders destroyed Buddhism in its entirety. And no, Brahmins weren't involved. Brahmins (and to some extent, a few others) stepped in only to defend Hinduism from Buddhist/Jain onslaughts.

      Hindus don't celebrate Buddha because:
      1. Buddhism was not as worldly as Hinduism in the ancient past.
      2. Buddha was not a saint but a mere philosopher like Persia's Zarathustra, later elevated to the level of prophet (in the case of Zarathustra) and god (in the case of Buddha).
      3. Buddhists have a history of conducting widespread ethnic cleansing of Hindus. See Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Bhutan.
      4. Like you said, there's no Purana dedicated to him because he was neither an avatar of Vishnu nor a saint. He was a mere philosopher.

      Buddhism, like Rao sir mentioned in this blog, does have Vedic influence (like Vajracchedikka mantra). However their contempt for Hindus and Hinduism knows no bounds. It could possibly because of Hindu idol worship and the fact that Hinduism is not a monolithic religion in the first place. At this point of time I don't know.

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    2. The hatred was historically, not one way. See the way Rama abuses Buddhists in Ayodhya Kanda Section 109... Calling him the 9th avatar of Vishnu is simply hilarious.

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    3. I personally don't think Hindus conducted ethnic cleansing of Buddhists, forget about the sheer magnitude in which Buddhists of Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Bhutan did. They nearly wiped out entire populations there!

      Moreover did Buddhists even exist during Rama's time? I'm not sure....

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    4. @jam iniyavel and other what is ur opinion depiction of the Asura & Dravida king Mahabali shown in this picture?

      https://twitter.com/AnandRM_/status/903619562385506304


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    5. twitter author says Onam is a story of betrayal. Mahabali's land, his people and even his image was stolen from him. Unearth the real Mahabali in this Onam.

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    6. some even claim Bali was NOT any "Dravida king". There is not a single mention of Bali in Sangam. Infact, they came to know of him though Sanskrit literature Bali was son of Virochana,who was son of Prahlada,who inturn was son of Hiranyakashipu, who was the son of Rishi Kashyapa
      Bali was a Brahmin . I HAVE DOUBT HERE WHETEHR BALI WAS ASURA KING OR A BRAHMIN . NOTE SIMILAR DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER RAVANA WAS A BRHAMIN OR A ASURA KING?

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    7. You are probably referring to this thread by @TrueIndology. https://twitter.com/TrueIndology/status/904938253404389376

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    8. anu thanks for sharing us the link, oh my ! I don't that it was such popular twitter handle that everyone reads it . I referred the link for the disusing topic of onam and mahabali

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    9. Sonam, I found this article by Elst quite informative. Do read it. http://koenraadelst.blogspot.in/2013/10/was-buddha-hindu-are-buddhists-hindus.html

      JAM, YSV: Elst says that Buddha's Shakya clan was originally Iranian and that Budhha was tall and fair-complexioned. What are your views on this?

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    10. Wow there are a lot of conversations which I am not able to respond to as I am a bit busy .However will do so later. But for now I just want address this Buddhas as Iranian silliness

      Apparently this fringe view becoming increasingly popular from my anecdotal evidence on history forums.
      The main reasons being

      1) The bad etymology of equating a Iranic speaking Saka with Sakya
      2) Buddha's appearance and similarity in some teachings with Zoroaster
      3) Cousin marriages which were forbidden by IA society but were ok with Iranian and Dravidians

      Regarding 1) Koenraad Elst who has done sterling work combating bad etymologies should be ashamed in trying to form a connection between two words
      As for tall and fair skinned. Depends on what you mean by fair skinned, I think he was described as golden complexioned which pretty much anyone who is not Rama and Krishna in the epics is described that way. And there is no shortage of tall people in India then or now. Heck most travellers describe many Indians to be quite tall from Megasthenes to all the Persiand and Italian observers in Vijayanagar era.

      And cousin marriage while forbidden to lay folk would not be considered out of bounds for royalty . The royalty could get away with all sorts of behavior which others couldnt- then and now. Also the Shakyas were somewhat isolated due to geography and their relations with neighboring republics were not good and so one of the reasons for cousin marriage of Gautama Siddhartha that no proper bride from another kingdom could be acquired for him.

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    11. @jam ysv and others if we were to disscuss about Buddhist how can we forget
      Ashoka All accounts agree that Ashoka’s early rule was brutal and unpopular, and that he was known as “Chandashoka” or Ashoka the CruelAshoka would invade Kalinga a few years later and, shocked by the death and destruction, would convert to Buddhism and become a pacifist.whereas we know from minor rock edicts that Asoka had converted to Buddhism more than two years earlier. Even Ashoka’s eulogists like Charles Allen agree that his conversion predated the Kalinga war. Moreover, he seems to have had links with Buddhists for a decade before his conversion. The evidence suggests that his conversion to Buddhism was more to do with the politics of succession than with any regret he felt for sufferings of war.

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    12. It appears that Ashoka was using his inscriptions as a tool of political propaganda to counter his reputation for cruelty.The Ashokavadana clearly tells us how an enraged Ashoka had 18,000 Ajivikas in Bengal put to death in a single episode. This is the first known instance of large-scale religious persecution in Indian history and sadly, would not be the last.

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    13. Supporters of Ashoka will claim that these acts of genocide are untrue and that they were inserted into the story by fundamentalist Buddhist writers in much later times he was not a successful administrator. In his later years, an increasingly unwell Ashoka watched his empire disintegrate from rebellion, internal family squabbles and fiscal stress. While he was still alive, the empire had probably lost some of the north-western territories that had been acquired from Seleucus. Within a few years of Ashoka’s death in 232BC, the Satvahanas had taken over most of the territories in southern India and Kalinga had seceded.

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  10. @jam ysv inijavel and other do checkout milin patel latest article its too hilarious
    he has now converted HANUMAN from gay lover to playboy of Ramayana . he has converted sita into a lesbian having sex with mandodari anasuya and even female
    raskashis . ysv the title DEARRANGED LUNATIC matches Milin patel more than vadkayil LOL.............

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    1. Sonam,

      Do you have a problem in comprehension? When did I call Seetha a lesbian? When did I say she had sex with Mandodari and Anusuya? BTW, I can say for sure you did not read my latest article as you lack the intellectual capacity to read and understand such a large article. It always appalls me that you and people like yourself (read "internet hindutvas") feel yourself qualified to have a say on Mahabharatha/Ramayana when it is clear that you never read those epics in the first place... Haha! BTW, are you the same ID as that "capt vadkayil is a cunt"?

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  11. @milin patel you have surpassed zakir naik in lunacy ,he would have promoted of you if u had not defended ur Incest ideology since Islam bans such blasphemy

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    1. @Sonam

      LOL that was hilarious :D

      Milin is suffering from certain preconceived notions(I am putting this in the most civilized way possible :) ) .Otherwise Milin would have understood that poetic compositions are not 100% historical,and neither should they be treated as such,since scholars who have scanned through the huge volume of puranic literature have pointed out completely contradicting claims on same events in different puranas.But not all of it is ofcourse fabricated,for example,I believe the broad outline of Ramayana was true,and probably Ramayana was a clash between two philosophies within Sanatan Dharma.But that doesnt mean all of Valmiki ramayana will be 100% historical.

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    2. Jam, you are just showing your own bias by selectively choosing what you like and ignoring the rest. If you want to reject some of the Ramayana, you would need some sort of basis for doing it. Saying that you would reject it simply because you don't like some of what is mentioned in it reveals your pre-conceived notions... As far as Puranas go with regards to Ramayana, they are not authentic sources as they were written several centuries after Ramayana and have their own societal biases based on time period they were written in. Get it? Or perhaps would you need a more lengthy explanation considering your intellectual bankruptcy? After all, we cannot expect too much from one who believes that Hanumana flew to Lanka in a hot air balloon and that Akbarnama, written by a contemporary of Akbar, is not an authentic source for Akbar's life... LOL.

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    3. Quotes for Milin Patel to ponder over:
      Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish.
      - Euripides

      Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
      - Martin Luther King, Jr.

      The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wise people so full of doubts.
      - Bertrand Russell

      We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
      - Benjamin Franklin

      Who knows himself a braggart, let him fear this, for it will come to pass that every braggart shall be found an ass.
      ― William Shakespeare

      Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
      ― Albert Einstein

      A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.
      ― Bertrand Russell

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    5. hahahaha @hakunamatata500 I completely agree with you
      quote "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." describes milin patel at nutshell

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    6. Actually it describes you Sonam. You keep coming back even though you have nil knowledge of Ramayana. Don't kid yourself. Both me and you know that you have not read Ramayana. Then you go on to criticize my claims about Ramayana with no actual basis for your criticism... Your friend ysv rao is equally ignorant. He earlier said that a dying Ravana taught statecraft to Lakshmana in Valmiki Ramayana and that Rama abandoned Seetha in Yuddha Kanda (agnipariksha sequence) to please his subjects. As someone who has actually read the epic, these claims are quite hilarious... As far as this person hakunamatata500 is concerned, I barely know him so I will refrain from commenting about him... But it is clear that you, JAM and your ringmaster ysv rao really need to spend less time abusing and more time studying scriptures. Hopefully you take this criticism in a positive manner... :)

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    7. mr milin patel i have another quote from @hakunamatata500 READ IT TWICE!! HAHAHAHAHAHHA..

      "Who knows himself a braggart, let him fear this, for it will come to pass that every braggart shall be found an ass".
      ― William Shakespeare

      "A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
      ― Bertrand Russell

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    8. Sonam, read it again. It is relevant for you... You accused me of saying stuff on my blog (such as Seetha-Anusuya lesbian relationship) that I never said.

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    9. hahaha mr patel read it again again and again this for u

      "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish."

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    10. milin I didn't abuse ur guruji for no reason he had clearly stated that he had quit blogging , after getting falthu sympathy and ego massage he once again started to post his nonsense revelations. this is what cultist like captain do ,they manipulate emotions of people and distance themselves when they sense danger. even ysv rao started this blog with intention to educate people about captain.

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    11. milin ur a good person but misguided in ur views about epics, I used incest comment just for laugh!! nothing personal , If u feel bad then will not use it in future reference. I have mentioned earlier I have nothing against anyone as I don't know any people in blog personally , but sometimes u force me to use such language , HAhahahaha LOL......

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  12. @jam the problem with loony people like milin is that they are hardly consistent in their belief, he often contradicts himself in debate . at first he told hanumans bhakti to ram was gay love ,then he says hanuman had sex with mandodari and sita
    he says ram was feminine yet hanuman fantasized about ram penis . sita got herself kidnapped to avoid rams jealousy .in latest comment he says anasuya and sita had lesbian sex .plzz tell me how do you explain bizarre theories its hard even 4 MILIN PATEL TO KEEP WITH HIS OWN LIES AND FANTASY

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    1. Sonam,

      Thanks for proving to me that you don't know how to read. I simply said that Hanumana had a sensual relationship with Rama. I never mentioned "gay" or "homosexual". That is your interpretation. He was clearly bisexual, as he was attracted to both genders... I never said Rama was feminine. I never said that Seetha and Anusuya had sex. At most, I just said that I found it fishy how Anusuya kept kissing Seetha when interacting with her in Ayodhya Kanda. I never came to a solid conclusion that Anusuya was a lesbian as I don't have solid evidence for that... For the case of Rama-Hanumana relationship, I did have solid evidence, which neither you nor your friends on this blog could refute. You could not explain how Hanumana was able to describe the texture of Rama's penis had he not felt it, or fantasized about it...

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    2. @milin what a great flip flop !! plzz refer ur own comments in this blog and hanumans bhakti to ram article from ur blog should I post a screen shot of ur comments ?

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    3. Sonam, I wrote my blog posts and know what I talked about. You need to learn to read. LOL.

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  13. there could be some sexual theme in Ramayana but certainly not the way Mr incest AKA MILIN PATEL explains to us from his frm his blogs

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    2. Sonam, instead of looking to others to search for a "sexual theme", why don't you do your own research? You could probably read the entire Valmiki Ramayana within a month if you want to...

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  14. CAPTIAN says WHITE INVADER INVENTED AND BACK DATED BY THE PURANAS OVER BRANDY AND CIGARS. While CAPTAIN himself came to this Conclusion While Having Beer Served by His Wife. MILIN PATEL writes all articles when he is Smoking weed
    WHILE MASTRUBATING ON INCEST PORN , LOL................

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    1. Why are you obsessed with Vadakayil? You always manage to drag him into the discussion. LOL.

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    3. @milin dear cuz u both are Two Peas in Same Pod

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    4. @milin jam and others , was RAVANA a asura king or a Brahman since he has kashyapa rishi lineage . and also parallel between mahabali and Ravana being same lineage of brahma

      source
      https://twitter.com/AnandRM_/status/903619562385506304

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    5. He was a Rakshasa king, not a brahmin. He is always addressed at Rakshasendra or Rakshasadipia, etc..., but never a brahmin. He calls himself a kshatriya, in one verse though...

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    6. Asura is a morally neutral term to a large degree though towards the end of the Vedic era it acquired a negative connatation. You then had Zoroaster who then twisted the Vedic religion to make Asuras into the good guys and then certainly Vedic people did not wish to agree with the mlecchas and solidified Asura as something bad.

      Rakhasa was always bad. And contrary to Amar Chitra Katha depictions, they were very beautiful beings and thats how they ensnared people. One is considered a Rakshasa when one associates and adopts Rakshasas as their own even if he is not a Rakshasa himself.
      Even before Ravana abducted Sita he did very morally questionable things such as scamming Shiva and Parvati into giving him Sri Lanka and stealing Kubera's treasure not to mention kidnapping Sachi.
      These deeds earned him the respect of Rakshasas and hence he became one.
      Where does he call himself Kshatriya. He is of Brahmin lineage either from Nepal or MP. Even now you have Kanyakubja Brahmins worshipping Ravana as their hero . Ironically Ram Mandir enthusiast Atul Bihari Vajpayee was a Kanyakubja haha.

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    7. Ysv rao,

      Here he calls himself Kshatriya. He speaks to Indrajita, saying:

      न खल्वियम् मतिः श्रेष्ठा यत्त्वाम् सम्प्रेषयाम्यहम् |
      इयम् च राजधर्माणाम् क्षत्रियस्य मतिर्मता || ५-४८-१३

      "This thought of my sending you is not indeed the best option. But, this decision is said to be according to the duties of a king and is the commendation of a kshatriya."

      You are basing most of the above criticism of Ravana on Uttara Kanda, which is a later addition to the epic...

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  15. @jam ysv and others ,check this out Buddao Vadakayil has not quit blogging !!,
    it was all drama to gain Falthu sympathy from people. this guy certainly knows how
    to manipulate readers emotions . ITS NOT A BLOG ITS A CULT

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    1. You seriously need to stop abusing people for no reason... You were earlier a fangirl of Vadakayil, now that your opinion differs you will go all out to abuse him. That being said, you still use his brand of abuses like "loduraam", and constantly flock over to his blog. You seriously need some help...

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    2. hahaahaha (@)milin i see u have missed ur daily routine of having incest sex with ur dog
      (#) i was never a fan of cultist vadakayil. looks like ur fangirl of buddao
      captain inspite of him abusing you in his blog u come hear to critcize me. lol....

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    3. Sonam, so you are the alternative ID of the same "capt Vadkayil is a cunt" that came to my blog, right? Haha... On my blog you were requesting me for answers on Mahabharatha/Ramayana, and then you come to ysv rao's blog to bitch behind my back... What else can be expected from you anyways... Yes, Vadakayil may have have abused me, but why should I reciprocate? Your language just reveals your mentality... I have seen your other comments where you said you were earlier a fan of Vadakayil... The incest sex comment just reveals your perverted mindset. Go visit a psychologist... And lastly, I am a male, not a female!

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    4. hahahahah @mr troll patel I don't have any alt id I never came to ur blog ask any questions I did read the comments made "capt Vadkayil is a cunt"

      who cares ur a male or female , in ur blog u changed gender narrative of each character of ramayan and Mahabharata sometimes rama is feminine sometimes sita is lesbian u proved the quote "Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish." applies to milin patel only

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  16. I have said a lot about Milin Patel. Unfortunately he is a dishonest and shameless character so he keeps returning as for him any attention is good attention. Every time I think I should humor him or his nonsensical theories I come to regret it. No more of that.

    OK from now on permanent ban on Milin Patel and his rubbish. No more second chances.

    My request for other readers is to even stop discussing his pornographic opinions on Ramayana,Mahabharata or the Vedas and Puranas
    There are some official versions of Ramayana, Mahabharata or the Vedas and commentaries which raise eyebrows. Such as you have Michael Witzel who says that Brahmins addes pornographic elements to the Vedas for their prurient interest. We can discuss whether or not that is true as it is Michael Witzel not some two bit disgusting attention whore like Milin Patel.

    So stop discussing Patel's "pearls of wisdom" and lets simply ostracize him
    Milin Patel- I am not interesting in your bitching and whining about me censoring you and your comical alter ego - the other Patel whatever his name is , claiming I am cowardly.
    With disgusting and dishonest people like you I am willing to use Krishnaneeti and Chanakyaneeti as you only understand this language.
    Make no mistake you are unwelcome here and all your posts will be deleted. I am not interested in your conditional surrender that you wont return unless your name is mentioned. I will choose to do as I wish. As it now stands your name has become a laughing stock and earned itself as a term of derision and contempt ala Vadakayil and we will use it in that manner whether you like it or not. Any comment from you will be deleted. If you wish to get carpal tunnel syndrome doing the same and repeating the deleted comments. The spam block will take care of you for me.

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    1. YSV Rao,

      You have some serious ego issues that you need to work on. It would be good for you in the future if you shed your ego and listen to contrary viewpoints instead of behaving like a bigot and a fanatic. Anyways, I just wanted to inform you that I will not be commenting on your blog henceforth regardless of whether or not you choose to mock me or spread misinformation about me on your blog, as you have previously have done...

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  17. ysv its really sad it came to this point!! I feel milin patel is good guy and also he is lonely guy in real life due to his weird beliefs so he came back to this blog in spite of all the insults thrown at him ,this blog offered some hope and friendship , milin complains about ego he himself has same issue even if we offered correct explanation he never listened to it. so ysv lastly lets offer hope to all the people lets give him a chance may he might change better one day

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    1. How do you know what his real life is like? And if he indeed came here for hope and friendship,these things are a two way street. Simply being a contrarian for the sake of appearing smart are not the way to make friends. He mentioned on more than one occasion that my blog is not of any value whatsoever. That is his opinion , where all of a sudden did you deduce that he values it?

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  18. ysv I am defending cuz he I feel sad for this person he has good heart he never insulted u back with same language, u have used derogatory words against his mom and his family many times . he was good person u should apologize for incest remarks against his mom , lastly I do pray he will b okay and we can sort this out.

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  19. ysv like I mentioned u have insulted this man many times yet he came back u have made nasty remarks what does was that tell u? he was lonely guy looking for friendship may be not wise with his beliefs

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    1. @Rohit,

      I told ysv rao that I would not be commenting again. But I just wanted to comment to clarify your misconception. I am not lonely, nor am I looking for friendship from a self-centered person like ysv rao. My opinions are based on evidence and if you or anyone find it weird, I simply don't care. I will not change my opinion to please you, or ysv rao or anyone else. As far as my ego is concerned... Ysv rao and his friends never provided an adequate explanation for their opinion. They simply mocked the points I made. That is not a proper refutal of my points. There is no reason to change my beliefs simply because others don't like what I said. If valid points were made, then I could possibly consider. Lastly, I am not contrarian for appearing smart. LOL. I simply don't agree with the mainstream view on some topics. Even ysv rao shows such behavior when he tries to interpret mahabharatha through the lens of tantra, even though mahabharatha gives no basis for such interpretation. It just shows his immaturity if he cannot handle opposing views...

      If you wish to discuss about Mahabharatha/Ramayana you are free to come to my blog. But I will not be commenting again on ysv rao's blog.

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    2. Seriously both of u,Rohit&Milin, have converted the comments section to a laughing stock.And now i get a feeling that Rohit is probably even more deranged than Milin himself.But it would be justice to the quality of YSV's blog,if both of u stop bullshitting in the comments.

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    3. hahaha lol nice try milin patel trying to fool everyone with alt id
      @jam I thin milin patel is trying to communicate using rohit as alter ego

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  20. ysv I fully support ur move to ban MR Lunatic patel frm the blog he never contributed anything to discussion , add to that he tried to push incest argument into this blog, so iam glad he quit lets pray he will not make a comeback

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