Sunday, December 6, 2015

Were Akbar and Tipu Sultan secular or Islamist?

The apologists and propagandists who seek to justify Islamic rule in India invariably point to mostly two specific  figures -Akbar and Tipu Sultan for their vaunted secularism ,glory and nationalism. Let us leave us aside the curious aspect that in nearly 700 years or intermittent Muslim rule which saw hundreds of rulers in various parts of India, secularists and Muslim apologists are only able to provide two which are supposed to be palatable to Hindus! And even these two are certainly are not lacking in bigotry and monstrosity. That more than anything highlighted the extreme cruelty and exploitation of most of the other Muslim rulers rather than suggest a tolerance and humane governance was typical of Islamic empire by using these two individuals as example! But that is the sad state of debate and scholarship today!

Lets start in chronological order. I find it rather strange that even some Hindu revivalists such as Sitaram Goel are willing to pardon Akbar's excesses if only he was less brutal than other rulers. While Koenraad Elst is not so forgiving and sees him plainly as a jihadi based on his callous of Rajput troops as cannon fodder since they are "kaafirs" anyway. Akbar was the offspring of the hapless drug addict and bookworm Humayun who found himself besiged by Sher Shah Suri on one hand and the Persians on another. As such it was upto him to put affairs in order and he did so in a very effective manner.
He ritually decapitated Hemachandra Vikramaditya, the last great hope of Hindus of north India after Harshavardhana after the disastrous 2nd Battle of Panipat where the Hindu army was routing due to a freak accident wounding Hemu in the eye and rendering him unconscious compelling the Hindu army to panic and flee.
Akbar also indulged in Khilji esque tactics of dragging as sister and another relative of Rani Durgavati to his harem in Agra.
Maharana Pratap led a sustained rebellion against the Moghul which while not religious in nature had religious overtones.  In the end, Pratap failed as too many Rajputs had their peace with Mughal power to the extant of supplying their daughters to Mughal harems, not even for marriage! Something to akin the Nambuthiri sambandham in Kerala. All the while Mughal princesses for Rajput nobles were not forthcoming. The secularists who crow about stories such as Jodha Akbar seem to leave out this detail that matrimony was a one way street as far as Hindus were concerned. And this reflected the power equations of the era where Hindus played second fiddle. Is it unfair to expect the Moghuls to offer their daughters in marriage to Rajputs who were in a subordinate position.?Heck no. Indian history is replete with examples where the son of a lesser king would would end up marrying the daughter of a more powerful king or emperor. The Pandya princesses and Sri Lankan monarchs as well as Vakataka kings and Gupta queens come to mind.

However when his power stabilized , he indulged in his "navaratna" of which Birbal was not so much his witty court jester popularized by mass (secular) entertainment but a strategic advisor and even military figure who died crushing a rebellion of Yusufzai Pathans. Akbar even flirted openly with blasphemy (from the Islamic POV) when he declared himself Gods representative on earth as per his own established faith Din i illahi. An incoherent hodge podge of Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism with him as the central figure.

While Tipu Sultan was never as ambitious in his theological excursions as Akbar, he nonetheless was just as opportunistic as Akbar when it came to matter of religious faith. He was probably the first Deccani Muslim since Hasan Gangu to lead a major kingdom as all  Muslim kingdoms were controlled by those of Turkic and Persian extraction. While his father Hyder Ali's exact origins are unknown , some speculate that his grandfather hailed from Punjab or Afghanistan, he certainly did not suffer from the myriad of identity crises that his son. He was quite comfortable in his background from the Kolar region close to Mysore. He was quite happy to converse and administer in Kannada, the court language of his bosses, the Wodeyars. Neither did his excursions against Kerala result in the wanton destruction and bigotry that his sons invasions entailed. All in all, Hyder Ali may have been the defacto ruler of Mysore kingdom he never really saw himself as a king and therefore didnt feel in contention with all the "noble" born Turks and Persians who dominated the elite ranks of the Nizams, Nawab of Carnatic and of course the Mughal Empire.

Tipu Sultan however took more extreme measures in isolating the Wodeyar royal family and wished to imitate the Mughals in their style of governance to the extant of introducing Persian in administration while the Marathas who had reduced the Mughal empire to a narrow strip along the Yamuna river, were slowly making the transition from Persian to Hindi and Marathi. He went as far to concoct fanciful lineages all the way to the tribe of Quraysh of Prophet Mohammad by way of Persia.

It may seems like a trivial matter but intra Muslim prejudice was a real issue in that era (as it is today). The Bahmani kingdom racked by internal dissension between Deccani and Persian born Muslims which Vijayanagar was more than happy to take advantage of. To this day, Deccani Muslims eschew any connection with a Kannadiga heritage and still cling to the fantasy of origins from Uzbekistan, Persia, Afghanistan, Iraq and what have you. The number of Mysore Muslims who speak Kannada as a first language are few and far between. Even with the Hyderabadi tehzeeb of Urdu, there are still a substantial number of Telugu speaking Muslims of which Zareena Wahab , Waheeda Rahman apart from the singer Mano are the most famous members. Again compare these communities to the Muslims of Kerala and Tamil Nadu who barely speak any Urdu but at the most interperse Malayalam and Tamil with Arabic words.
Apart from stray incidents such as the Khilafat which was instigated by an outside actor(Mohandas Gandhi of all people!) , the Muslims of Tamil Nadu and Kerala are by and large well assimilated and peaceable. What is more ironic is that unlike Deccani Muslims, Muslims of Kerala actually do have foreign blood(from Egypt, Iraq and Yemen)!

Why did Tipu lead a jihad against Kerala ,Mangalore and Coorgi Hindus and Christians while at the same time going out of his way to donate for repair of Sringeir Math when it was plundered by a Maratha raider?
Simple, Tipu cared simply for the religious sentiments of his own his subjects and wished not to aggravate them. Sringeri Math and Sri Ranga was important to Mysoreans, not so much Tala Kaveri of Coorg or Padmanabhaswamy of Kerala. Like Akbar, he had also recruited Brahmins as his trusted advisors in various capacities such as Shyamaiya Iyengar and Poorniah who had positions such minister of police and post and even served honorably on the battlefield against the East India company. As for his so called patriotism, he was happy to inducted as an honorary French citizen and had no problem being a vassal of the French Republic to conserve his kingdom. The defeat of Napolean at the hands of the British ensured that such a dream did not come to fruition.

All in all, we make mistakes when we ascribe our narrow categories of jihadi,secularist, multiculturalist, freedom fighter etc etc to these two figures. These individuals it should be emphasised were products of their time and place and our modern definitions of nationalism, religous bigotry, open hearted tolerance arent applicable.
To this one can add a bizarre dash of regional politics where Tipu is viewed as mighty Kannadiga figure versus the unwelcome and ravaging Marathas! This is where the silly ,cheap and short sighted people such as Siddaramiah and the more cultured Girish Karnad come in. Once again Hindu nationalism due to its north centric focus failed in dealing with the myriad contradictions and complications of south Indian identity.

To my mind , first and foremost they were opportunists who were out for personal gain and glory. To this end, Akbar was more successful as he had momentum of Islamic expansionism on his side while Tipu seemed to have been born about a 150 years too late and hence despite impressive military victories ultimately was a doomed figure due to being a hunted man by not just the resolute Nairs in Kerala(where he met his first spectacular defeat) but even the Nizam, Marathas and British looked forward to tightening the noose.

This is not to excuse their excesses against the Hindus. But a word of criticism should be reserved for the Hindus who served both these personalities even when they outraged Hindu sensitivities. Here the secularists are on firmer ground when they point a lack of Hindu solidarity for their own. Muslims by contrast were far more hesitant when serving a Hindu king to engage in anti Muslim activities.
Only the Marathas and to a lesser extant Vijayanagar showed any sense of intra Hindu solidarity but eventually the latter succumbed which led to its defeat.

My personal position is simple: Neither was Akbar a tolerant multiculturalist , neither was Tipu Sultan a Shankaracharya hugging nationalist hero. But neither are they monsters. In an ideal scenario, I don't want either. I prefer to have been ruled by Hemachandra, Maharana Pratap and the Wodeyars. I am unable to view any Muslim ruler in a positive light. I prefer Hindus be ruled by badly by Hindus rather than be ruled well by the British,French, Mughals or what have you. It is a simple matter of honor and pride. Good governance and prosperity by foreign rule is still akin to a form of spiritual slavery and cultural degradation which leads to all sorts of social dysfunction in the long term. If you dont believe me , take a look at the prosperous but broken society of Japan and their twisted sexual subcultures. Same goes for the technological and financial powerhouse of Germany who until 2010 was the world largest exporter of goods and not China as most assume.. Both of whom are not really independent countries in their own right but client states of America. Japan actually needs permission from America for even a show of muscle against China! The pathetic German military machine, once a shadow of its glorious self who despite its obvious moral shortcomings almost single handedly took on the British Empire ,Soviet Union and the U.S.A all at once and nearly won. It now finds it hands tied firmly behind its back by the U.S.A  Is it any coincidence, these countries with their abnormally low birth rates are breeding themselves out of existence?

So even if all the wild claims by the secularists about Tipu and Akbar are true,even if the claims of Hindutvadis of their cruelty and bigotry are exagerrated, on this matter I will have to reluctantly side with the Hindutvadis for their disdain of a Muslim ruler.


  1. @YSV

    As usual an excellent analysis from u.Solved all of my doubts on Tipu.I was looking for this proper perspective on Tipu's patronisation for Sringeri Mutt.Thanks for taking pains to put up this article :-)

  2. "If you dont believe me , take a look at the prosperous but broken society of Japan and their twisted sexual subcultures."

    Well the Japanese have always had an unusual attitude towards sex. Homosexuality was never taboo in Japan. The Japanese made pornographic woodblock prints as early as the Edo period (17th century).

    "Is it any coincidence, these countries with their abnormally low birth rates are breeding themselves out of existence?"

    Almost all developed nations have this problem. Although I support sexual freedom for women, it inevitably brings about higher divorce rates, broken families and plummeting fertility. I can't see any way out of this even for future developed nations like China and India.

  3. You ask why Indians have this dhimmi mindset. Because Indians are fed a huge dosage of secularism and brought up on subverted History.

    Whitewashing the historical record of Muslim atrocities in India and donning cruel despots and tyrants as benevolent rulers. The classic example is Aurangzeb. Jadunath Sarkar’s History of Aurangzib or even the primary source, the authorised biography of Aurangzeb, the Masir-i-Alamgiri has ample evidence to show for his fanaticism and hatred against Hindus while Indian schools/universities and other books of popular history show him in nearly opposite light.

    Since your blog is about Tipu Sultan who is also known as Aurangzeb of South, I'll details all his atrocities.

    1. Hindus were getting out of the dhimmi mindset during independence where the rioting and massacress during partition had awoken a "beast" as secularists may put it. It was culturally Muslim Nehru who after the assasination of Gandhi put secularism front and centre in the media, universities and popular culture all of which at the time took their cues from the central government which was Congress and still do in many ways to this day. Thus he redhimmified the entire country.
      See how skillfully and quickly the Somnath issue was dealt with by Congress "secularist" Patel while the "Hindutva" BJP had made an utter mess of the Ram Janmabhoomi issue either by incompetence or malicious intent(to keep garnering votes)

    2. @YSV

      Yeah the hindutva brigade is a big mess in India,they dont actually uphold hindu issues,rather I feel their only agenda is to polarise enough hindu votes just to sail through the election.

  4. You can witness muslim appeasing policies of Congress by its continuing efforts to paint him as patriot and freedom fighter. This Tipu myth was popularized through Bhagvan S Gidwani’s distorted novel named The Sword of Tipu Sultan, wherein Tipu is hailed as the “tiger of Mysore”.

    IM Muthanna in his comprehensive Tipu Sultan X-Rayed published in 1980:

    Gidwani’s Tipu has a political value today, especially after the Congress government in 1974, perhaps to oblige the Muslim voters, released a commemoration stamp on Tipu, and described him as a "freedom fighter". Releasing a 50-paisa postage stamp commemorating Tipu in July 1974, a minister of Karnataka said that Tipu was "a hero" of Karnataka, "the defender of freedom," and so on. The chariman of the stamp releasing committee wanted the writers to present a true and faithful account of Tipu. Well… Gidwani has obliged him, rather sneakily, and in the form of a novel.

    Even the s-c-u-mbag Girish Karnad’s Kannada play, Tipuvina Kanasugalu (The Dreams of Tipu Sultan) borrows heavily from Gidwani’s book.

  5. In 1788, Tipu marched into Coorg and burnt down entire towns and villages. Mir Hussein Kirmani, Tipu’s courtier-cum-biographer describes how the raid resulted in the burning down of villages in Kushalapura (today’s Kushalnagar), Talakaveri, Madikeri, and other places. Additionally, Tipu in a letter to the Nawab of Kurnool, Runmust Khan describes how he took 40,000 Coorgis as prisoners and forcibly converted them to Islam and “incorporated them with our Ahmadi corps.” Already a thinly-populated country, Tipu’s brutal raid followed by large-scale prisoner-taking depopulated Coorg of its original inhabitants to a severe extent. To Islamise Coorg, he transported about 7,000 Muslim families belonging to the Shaikh and Sayyid sects to Coorg from elsewhere.

    The intensity of Tipu’s raid was so terrifying that hundreds of temple priests fled to Mangalore along with their families. Worship came to a permanent halt in several temples. Some temples were covered with leaves in order to conceal their presence. The Maletirike Bhagavati temple at Virajpet is a good example of this. Equally, the renowned Omkareshwara temple in Madikeri was about to meet the same fate — the then ruler at Madikeri panicked at the approach of Tipu, removed its tower and replaced it with a dome so that it looked like a mosque from afar. The temple continues to retain this appearance till date. In his raid of Napoklu near Madikeri, Tipu destroyed the temples in the surrounding villages of Betu and Kolakeri.

    Remnants of Tipu Sultan’s savage raid of Coorg survive even today — the forcibly converted Coorgis are today known as Kodava Mapilas (Coorg Muslims) whose last/family names are still Hindu — representative examples are surnames like Kuvalera, Italtanda, Mitaltanda, Kuppodanda, Kappanjeera, Kalera, Chekkera, Charmakaranda, Maniyanda, Balasojikaranda, and Mandeyanda.

    To the Kodavas, Tipu’s fanatical dance of death in their homeland remains a wound that will never heal.

  6. Tipu’s incursions into the Malabar can form the subject of an independent book. Like in Coorg, remnants of Tipu’s disastrous campaigns in the Malabar can be seen even today in the region. The city that bore the brunt of his excesses in the Malabar is Kozhikode (Calicut). William Logan’s Malabar Manual, the Malabar Gazetter, the Portuguese missionary Fr Bartholomew’s Voyage to East Indies, the German missionary Guntest and accounts by various contemporary British military officers contain first-hand accounts of how Tipu razed the city to the ground. An excerpt from Bartholomew provides us a representative glimpse:

    First a corps of 30,000 barbarians who butchered everybody on the way… followed by the field-gun unit… Tipu was riding on an elephant behind which another army of 30,000 soldiers followed. Most of the men and women were hanged in Calicut, first mothers were hanged with their children tied to their necks. That barbarian Tipu Sultan tied the naked Christians and Hindus to the legs of elephants and made the elephants move around till the bodies of the helpless victims were torn to pieces. Temples and churches were ordered to be burned down, desecrated and destroyed. Christian and Hindu women were forced to marry Mohammadans and similarly their men were forced to marry Mohammadan women. Those Christians who refused to be honoured with Islam, were ordered to be killed by hanging immediately. These atrocities were told to me by the victims of Tipu Sultan who escaped from the clutches of his army and reached Varappuzha, which is the centre of Carmichael Christian Mission. I myself helped many victims to cross the Varappuzha River by boats.

    The devastation in Calicut was so comprehensive that it changed the character of the place forever. Calicut was home to more than 7,000 Brahmin families. Thanks to Tipu, more than 2,000 of these were wiped out, and the remaining fled to the forests. In the words of the German missionary Guntest, “[A]ccompanied by an army of 60,000, Tipu Sultan came to Kozhikode [Calicut] in 1788 and razed it to the ground. It is not possible even to describe the brutalities committed by that Islamic barbarian from Mysore.”

  7. Tipu Sultan in letters to Syed Abdul Dulai and his officer Budruz Zaman Khan respectively gloats thus:

    With the grace of prophet mohammed and allah, almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. Only on the borders of Cochin State a few are still not converted. I am determined to convert them also very soon. I consider this as Jehad to achieve that object.

    Your two letters, with the enclosed memorandums of the Naimar (or Nair) captives, have been received. You did right in ordering a hundred and thirty-five of them to be circumcised, and in putting eleven of the youngest of these into the Usud Ilhye band (or class) and the remaining ninety-four into the Ahmedy Troop…

    I have achieved a great victory recently in Malabar and over four lakh Hindus were converted to Islam. I am now determined to march against the cursed Raman Nair.

  8. From Life of Tipu Sultan—Pakistan Administrative Staff College, Lahore, translated by Bernard Wycliffe

    Tipu imprisoned and forcibly converted more than a lakh Hindus and over 70,000 Christians in the Malabar region (they were forcibly circumcised and made to eat beef). Although these conversions were unethical and disgraceful, they served Tipu’s purpose. Once all these people had been cut off from their original faith, they were left with no option but to accept the very faith to which their ravager belonged, and they began to educate their children in Islam. They were later enlisted in the army and received good positions. Most of them morphed into religious zealots, and enhanced the ranks of the faithful in Tipu’s kingdom. Tipu’s zeal for conversion was not limited only to the Malabar region. He had spread it all the way up to Coimbatore.

    Until his aggression, the Malabar region was a flourishing hub of pepper and spice trade throughout the world. However, when Tipu burnt and destroyed several cities and towns in one disastrous sweep, this trade was killed almost overnight. Pepper cultivation was completely stopped.

    From Tipu Sultan: Villain or Hero? Compiled by Sitaram Goel
    The Malabar people retain the deadly memory of his invasion in the form of just one Malayalam word: padayottam.

  9. Tipu apologists say that he gave gifts to the Sringeri Mutt.

    William Logan’s Malabar Manual gives a detailed list of all the temples Tipu had destroyed in Kerala, and Lewis Rice in his Mysore Gazetter holds that “in the vast empire of Tipu Sultan on the eve of his death, there were only two Hindu temples having daily pujas” and further estimates he had destroyed eight thousand temples in South India, a number which Colonel RD Palsokar also confirms in his study on Tipu Sultan.

    The gifts to Sringeri Mutt was more on the lines of realpolitik: Tipu had been badly beaten and weakened during the Third Anglo Mysore war of 1791. He was also smarting from a recent raid by the Marathas who had then become all-powerful. It was to placate the Hindus in his dominion that Tipu gave the said gifts.

    There is known al-taqiyya/Kitman tactics used by muslim where they don a facade to fool gullible. This gift to Mutts was just that so his subjects closer to his kingdom dont revolt when he was weak and accept their dhimmi status.

  10. From Haidar Ali and Tipu Sultan by Lewin B Bowring

    One of the major things Tipu did after taking over the Mysore throne in 1782 was to rename cities and towns with Hindu names to Muslim ones. He also changed weights and measures to be consistent with the tenets of Islam. So, he changed the kos (unit of measuring distance)from two miles as “consisting of so many yards of twice twenty-four thumb-breadths, because the creed (Kalmah) contains twenty-four letters,”

    Tipu also changed the measurement of time. To quote Bowring again, “Tipu founded a new calendar…giving fantastic names to the years, and equally strange ones to the lunar months. The year, according to his arrangement, only contained 354 days, and each month was called by some name in alphabetical order.” Tipu’s calendar began with the year of the birth of Prophet Mohammad, and even gave names to years as Ahand, Ab, Jha, Baab, and so on.

  11. It is impossible to build a strong nation on the foundation of falsehoods, Dr. S.L. Bhyrappa 24 September, 2006.

    Until Tipu took over, official administrative records were written in Kannada and translated to Marathi. Tipu did away with both these languages and enforced Farsi as the administrative language of the Mysore state. The vestiges of this change are visible in the administrative language used by the present day Karnataka Government: “Khata,” “Khirdi,” “Pahani,” “Khanisumari,” “Gudasta,” “Takhte,” “Tari,” “Khushki,” “Bagaaytu,” “Banjaru,” “Jamabandi,” “Ahalvalu,” “Khavand,” “Amaldaar,” and “Shirastedaar” and so on.

    After his death in 1799 in the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War and the fall of his capital Srirangapattana to the British, Colonel William Kirkpatrick discovered more than 2000 letters in his palace written in Farsi in Tipu’s own handwriting. In these letters, Tipu refers to Hindus as “kaffirs and infidels” and to the British as “Christians” who needed to be “cleansed (or converted) if the rule of Islam is to be firmly established in India.”

  12. From Tipu Sultan’s Mysore: An Economic History, MH Gopal

    Tipu also appointed only Muslim officers to key posts in both the military and administration irrespective of merit.

    Mussulmans were exempted from paying the housetax and taxes on grain and other goods meant for their personal use and not for trade. Christians were seized and deported to the capital, and their property confiscated. Converts to Islam were given concessions such as exemption from taxes… [Tipu] removed Hindus from all administrative posts and replaced them with Mussulmans with the exception of Diwan Purnaiah…

    From Tipu Sultan X-rayed by Dr. I.M. Muthanna
    This has an echo in William McLeod who was appointed by the East India Company Government as the Superintendent of the Land Revenue department after Tipu’s death. McLeod discovered that “the list of the chiefs of every province or district contained only Muslim names like Sheikh Ali, Sher Khan, Muhammad Syed, Meer Hussain, Syed Peer, Abdul Karim, and so on. There was nary a…non-Muslim name.”

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  14. Wishing you all a Merry Christmas, a Happy Arudra Dharisanam on Saturday (important for God Shiva as Nataraja in the Chidambaram Temple) and a very Happy and Prosperous New Year 2016. All well in advance.

    Okay friends, I got to go. Too much work in my hands and I also don't want to be late for my routine meditation in the morning. I need it. I love it. I benefit from it.

    No time for hate. No time for prosaic conspiracy theories. No time for sparring and conflicting. So there's absolutely no need to be up in arms and start firing, as I'm totally unarmed and have no intention to open fire.

    Just came in to wish everyone here ahead of time.



  15. @YSV

    What about a post on comparative analysis of Moses with Muhammad?I feel both have quite some similarities,unlike Jesus who was the odd man out.

  16. @ALL

    today in TOI an interesting article has been published on Kundalini by a clinical psychologist : Here in the article it is being said that the wrong flow of kundalini energy is the cause of psychiatric disorders,mood swings,bipolar disorder the author recommends an attempt to awaken kundalini.but will that cure the disorders as such? as he himself observes : "..the expedition is fraught with all kinds of difficulties because the process shakes the basic foundations of the self.." .Now my question is that if I try to heal my already existing psychiatric disorders with Kundalini,that might lead me to a new set of psychiatric problems :) I felt the article is not very well informed and has a vague idea of Kundalini.infact it actually goes on to contradict itself.anyway good to see a clinical psychologist speaking on this.

    I searched extensively on the net.all kundalini raising techniques are based on rajayoga pranayama methods,hence people get all kinds of psychiatric problems with kundalini.The traditional way of Rajayoga pranayam actually hits the kundalini artificially and forces it to awaken.Now when u hit someone too much,there's a high chance he will hit back at u :) that's what happens to many vedic/Rajayoga pranayam practitioners,the result being that they end up in the asylum.I feel sad to see that most people and yogis on internet are completely unaware of Nigurananda's meditation method.Just focussing on the horizon of your closed eyes through the line of eyebrows will open up your kundalini easily and safely,no need to do those extensive damaging kumbhaka pranayam schedules.infact if u sit with a straight spine and focus your mind on the horizon of your closed eyes(though the ajna chakra/middle of eyebrows),u will find your breath is naturally slowing down.this is the easiest method of enforcing natural kumbhaka,instead of struggling with pranayam techniques.Infact people who are already suffering from kundalini disorders can also take up Nigurananda's technique to rectify the flow of energy.I didnt find this simple technique anywhere on the net.Another benefit of this technique is that it will actually help u progress through the chakras.Most traditional kundalini methods focus largely on awakening but not the progress thereafter.Awakening alone is nothing,u need to lift the energy or else u will be achieving nothing basicaly.And lifting the energy in traditional method will require hours of pranayam everyday.Both Ramakrishna and Shirdi Sai spoke against practising these forced pranayam methods.Shirdi sai always warned his devotees not to take up hathayoga or rajayoga for raising kundalini.And nowadays people are learning it online from Anmol Mehta etc!Atleast in the past people used to take it from competent gurus. btw u might know the phrase "look inwards" has often been used by yogis.The correct way to look inwards naturally is the meditation Nigurananda gave,it was kept secret by yogis since ages.

  17. JAM, I only do few yoga poses thrice a week. I haven't yet started doing the meditation suggested by Nigurananda. Forget about Kundalini awakening, I simply can't sit still for a few minutes to meditate, my mind is that fickle. This man, Pundit Gopi Krishna, it seems had awakened his kundalini incorrectly and had experienced problems. I came to know about him from capt's blog. And look what capt had written about him: "Mata Amritanandamayi from Kerala , India , is a one woman Kundalini clinic. She has hugged 33 million people around the world . A lot of them needed this ONE single benevolent hug to drop down their stuck Kundalinis spewing venom, back to Mooladhara Chakra , to centre them and bring peace into their heart and souls.. All Pandit Gopikrishna needed was a single grounding hug from this woman."

    BTW, I too had come across Anmol Mehta's Mastery of Meditation, Yoga & Zen blog. I think he's not very active on his blog these days.

    Prem Chand says that Kundalini does not exist. Wonder how he explains the experiences undergone by Kundalini awakening practitioners.

    1. @Anu

      As Nigurananda wrote - "PRanayams with Purak,Rechaka,Kumbhaka etc is the artificial way of raising kundalini.Natural way is to concentrate on something.When we read a book intensely our breath slows down,often to a standstill.THis is the way of enforcing natural kumbhaka.We focus on something,as a result of which the breath slows down to stop totally."

      When I used to practise this meditation technique,I often got amazed at how my breath entered complete natural kumbhaka without any problems.This type of kumbhaka takes years for pranayam yogis to master,and I was doing that without any previous practice of pranayam.
      I read Gopi Krishna's experiences in the past.HE seems to have struggled with his kundalini for some years.Probably he didnt get anyone to guide him.
      After scouring through kundalini websites and kundalini experiences,I felt one unique thing about Nigurananda's meditation method is that this technique will make your meditation a grand visual treat while not giving u any drastic life altering or mind boggling experiences.The whole progress in this meditation technique is very well defined,as u will see distinct colours in different chakras,starting from red in mooladhar.U will be able to see the colours of the subtler frequencies as energy progresses through chakras.Not only colours,u will get diverse range of visions like gods,goddesses ,rivers,mountains,places of earth u have never visited etc,things u have never seen(for example Nigurananda saw the living form of Adi Yogi Shiva in his meditation,thats why he used to tell that SHiva was not only a deity,but there was a flesh and blood human being Shiva once).Again Nigurananda confirmed the presence of Yeti from visions in his meditation.(in his meditation he saw one unknown yogi meditating somewhere in a hill cave and a yeti was standing behind him.) Swami Muktananda also said similar things about diverse visions in his book Kundalini-The secret of life,but his technique was that of shaktipaat and different from Nigurananda's.
      Gopi Krishna's experience of kundalini awakening was very similar to that of Ramakrishna,who got a spontaneous awakening at the age of 10 while walking through a field in the morning.Ramakrishna himself always recommended only bhakti yoga to his followers,as he used to say everything can be achieved only by chanting the name of God,whether it is kundalini,moksha or anything else.
      If Mata Amritanandamayi has hugged 33 million people,then she has been hugging more than 1400 people per day since the very first day of her life(i did a simple maths)! PremChand can throw some more light on this :)

    2. An important virtue for any claim is falsifiability. People who claim to have experienced Kundalini, or Divination, or Homeopathy or any other superstition have a tendency to make their beliefs unfalsifiable or unprovable. If someone reports that they followed all the instructions, but couldn't experience Kundalini, its because "they didn't do it right". Well I can come up with my own pet superstition. Next Christmas, please go to the tallest hill I near your place at midnight and sing the Jingle bells carol. If you do it correctly, you would be able to see Santa Claus and his reindeers. You cant see him? Well you didn't do it perfectly. That doesn't mean Santa Claus doesn't exist. Try harder next time.

      Re Mata Amritanandamayi. Like every other baba in India she has been exposed to be less than the saint her followers imagine. Many of her own ex-devotees have come forward with testimonies about her tantrums and cruelty. Google Gail Tredwell for some introduction to the inner functioning of the Amma cult.

  18. @JAM

    What do you think of this:

    I am guessing you would have heard about it before..

    1. @PremChand

      Its a shameful incident for Bengal.I dont even feel like commenting on it.As with most state govts of India or even bjp RW central govt,WB TMC govt also doesnt want to take steps against perpetrators for appeasing the community,elections are knocking the door in 2016.Mamata Banerjee is the Indian equivalent of Angela Merkel or vice versa.

    2. @PremChand

      I am sure Capt and Katju would support this suppression of national anthem,since to both of them Tagore was a Rothschild and British appeaser respectively.and both of them are typical dhimmies.

    3. @All

      look what Katju wrote in this post :" My reply is : firstly, I do not regard myself very learned. My knowledge is still very limited and incomplete, and I have to learn much more. I regard myself still a student, who is always trying to get more knowledge from the masters."

      I have rarely seen so honest a confession on ones limitations :) Katju has limited (nearing to zero) knowledge in almost everything he writes in his blog :) Yet when it comes to expressing opinions,he becomes the master of the field .Here's how Arnab Goswami bulldozed over Katju in the debate on the latters Netaji post :

    4. @PremChand &others

      What's your opinion on Bihar?It seems the Jungle Raj 2 movie is a sleeper hit :) Whenever I feel sad about law and order situation in Bihar,I remind myself of Bihar and Eastern UP(which is literally a gunrunner's paradise,as one of my UP friend in college used to tell),and then suddenly my mood swings :)

    5. Given that gun violence has already proliferated in these states, I think the best solution as YSV would say is to legalize gun ownership. But this should only be done in the states which already have a law and order problem. Gun control must be continued in peaceful states lest we create a new problem where none existed.

    6. @PremChand

      I meant to say "Whenever I feel sad about law and order situation in Bengal ..." in my prev comment,typo :) legalising guns in Bihar wont change anything.I have some experience of the Bihari legal condition :) Nitish Kumar did manage to reverse the general trend of lawlessness in Bihar,and he was successful to a large extent.but sadly he chose to stoke his own ego,and teamed up the Lalu and his coterie.Just giving u an example of the lawlessness situation in Jungle Raj 1 of Bihar :) (as told by my UP friend who had to cross Bihar regularly by trains) .My friend told that he was travelling in a local train in Bihar.The train was suddenly stopped even before reaching station,in the middle of a field.After a bit of enquiry,my friend was shellshocked to know that a groom party had landed off the train!The chain was pulled because it would be easier for the party to reach destination easier from the middle of the field than from the station :) Can u imagine this thing in any other part of India? In wb passengers would beat a chain puller to death inside train,if they found out that he had pulled the chain to attend wedding party :) This is the state of lawlessness deeply entrenched in Bihar.Even the poorest and most underdeveloped parts of WB have better civic sense than a major part of Bihar.Another Bihari friend of mine told me a bone chilling account of gunrunning in bihar.He was in the 6th standard in school at that time.He was returning from school,just two or three houses away from his home,he saw a car stopping infront of his neighbour's house.A few masked gunmen came off the car,dragged out his neighbour from the house,and shot him dead in open daylight.It was a political rivalry.and it happened infront of a busy marketplase full of people!Police came a few hours later.However I must acknowledge Nitish Kumar had managed to change it by a massive amount.The same Bihari friend of mine told this to me.According to him,the first thing Nitish did was to confiscate illegal guns and give meaningful employment to many goons.Thus a large number of criminals are now leading a civic life.Arresting all these people is plain impossible for Bihar Police,instead it was far better to change their ways of living into constructive paths.Taht's what Nitish did successfully.Now with Lalu back,again things are reverting back to the old days.Nitish himself is a good leader.Because of his efforts in industrialization,Bihar's gdp is growing in double digits(15% last year,I think).Had he got to lead advanced states like Gujarat,TN or Maharashtra,he would probably have outshone Modi as Guj CM.just my guess,not opinion.

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    1. @Iniyavel

      I agree Japanese are generally cruel and hard natured,though my observation is very general,I am yet to see&experience Japan.Infact the history of torture methods of Japan as well as China show their general inclination towards cruelty.not that all other nations are very divine,but it seems Japs and chinese have somewhat harder blood.also japanese ghosts fall in the same lot ,remember "grudge" movies :P ?Even dead people seem to linger on just to harass and torture living,if movies are a mirror of the society :D

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  20. this latest pearl of wisdom comes from person who was banned by ysv ,
    subject : Ravana was a Rapist... Really?
    let me quote

    "Its seems quite illogical to lash out at Ravana for supposedly raping a female while ignoring the fact that rape was not considered a crime in those days "

    "That being said, despite rape being a norm in ancient India, there is no solid evidence to support claims that Ravana raped a single female in his life.."

    big LOL .........