Sunday, October 11, 2015

A crie de couer from a Kshatriya V

Kammas vs Puranas

The essence of the Indian Puranas is that they tell us of the great incidents of the ancient times in a sort of coded form,disguised in various exaggerations and supernatural occurences.

Yes , I wish more people woud realize this.

 Though there may be multiple versions, and a few distortions might have taken place over generations where they were passed down orally, the basic theme generally remains the same.
Once there was a lunar dynasty king Kamra. He was son of king Raji and great-grandson of Emperor Pururava. Kamra was very powerful and arrogant and along with his 500 brothers used to challenge and subdue any powerful king, who came under their way.Once they challenged the king of gods,Indra for a fight.Ultimately, Indra struck them with his Vajra ( lightning ),and reduced them to ashes.

The meaning for this is that they couldn't withstand the penance involved in attaining to Indra and perished.

After a long time, a solar dynasty king, Khamitra did penace seeking children. He was blessed with Kamra and his 500 brothers by Lord Brahma after resurrecting them. Their descendants were known as 'Khammas' or "Kammas".

Resurrection in this context probably means restoration or bestowing of Kshatriya status for sons of various mistresses etc who otherwise would be considered simply bastards.

According to another version, the sages unable to bear the attrocities of the rakshasas, prayed to Lord Vishnu to save them. His consort, Goddess Lakshmi, granted them her ear-ring (Kamma). The sages performed a Yagna and put the Kamma into the homam(fire).From the fire emerged 501 warriors who were none other than Kamra and his brothers.They destroyed the Rakshasas and made the sages happy.On the plea of the sages,they became rulers and came to be called 'Kammas'.

This is a version of the Agni Kula legend where mlecchas such as Hunas, Sakas etc are accepted in the Vedic fold . Usually as Rajputs. In this case the legends points to Kambojas which some claim are the ancestors of Kamma. I personally don't think that is the case.

It may be noted that all versions agree that the Kammas are basically a martial race and an amalgam of solar and lunar clans.(Khamitra adopts Kamra).
let us compare the above with the actual oral version that is prevalent among the people ( Jana-Sruti)of Narasaraopet area(near Konda veedu) till some time ago, that has come down from generations.
A thousand years ago a very serious conflict broke out between the brahmins and the Kshatriyas. The brahmins hatched a plan. They built a Kattula Bavi(well of swords) in the Kondaveedu hills which is in the heart of Kammanadu. The Kattula bavi is a treacherous arrangement, wherin a person comes under the illusion of entering a big hall, but as soon as he steps into the entrance, he falls into a deep well which is studded with swords and spears pointing upwards. The brahmins then invited the kings for a meeting and killed many of them with this trap. The kings on coming to know of this ghastly incident, out of hatred towards the brahmins, removed their sacred threads and rishi-gothras which were a sign of submission to the brahmins. They took the names of the places they were ruling as their gothras (almost all in Kamma nadu) and came to be known as Kammas.

These days Brahmins in AP are good friends of Kammas.

Now let us try to draw some parallel between the two versions.
 
Indra, king of gods represents brahmins, who call themselves 'Bhu Suras', gods on Earth.
Kamra and his 500 brothers represent the kings killed on that day. It might probably be around 50, as exaggeration is normal.
The kings killed belong to both the solar and lunar clans.


Some adversaries try to play down the status of Kammas by bringing forth the version that the Kammas were couriers(Vaartaharas) in the courts of kings, since 'Kamma' in telugu means not only ear-ring, beauty and tasty, but also letter. They claim that the deliverers of letters(kammas), came to be known as kammas. They were carried away by the humble picture of today's postman. They forgot to realise that in the olden days, couriers had to be brave and adventurous,exellent swordsmen and adept in horse-riding. They had to single handedly tackle enemy soldiers and also dacoits and thugs. They had to be highly educated,able to transact with the courtiers and kings and also quiet intelligent and adoptive. Most important, they had to be the most trusted people to the king and even this version points to the martial background of the Kammas.

(During the American war of Independence(at a time of no telegraphy and telephony),the couriers who passed on important documents evading the Red Indians had enoromous following and were considered as national heroes)

For comparision sake and to understand how the puranas contain information in coded form the the story of Renuka Devi, (also worshipped as 'Ellamma'), serves as a classical example
The Renuka Devi episode has some 'Kamma' connection as they contain some 'Haihaya' element which might be a reason for the brahmins turning against them in the 'Kattula Bavi' episode.

Renuka Devi was an extremely beautiful Brahmin lady. She was wife of sage Jamadagni and mother of Parasu Rama,one of the ten incarnations of Lord Vishnu.

One day she went to the Narmada river and by chance saw the mighty and handsome king Kartaveeryarjuna,of the Haihaya clan of Kshatriyas, playing with his wives in the river waters.

Karta Veerya Arjuna was a king who defeated Ravana before Rama.

Her heart throbbed, but she quickly controlled herself, fetched water and returned to her Ashram. But sage Jamadagni, through his divine powers,knew what happened and ordered his sons to kill her. No one came forward,but Parasurama,who knew his father's divine powers, without hesitation beheaded his Mother with his Parasu (war-axe).Pleased with his son's benevolence, Jamadagni on his request, pardoned his wife and brought her back to life. But in some versions,the request was turned down on the pretext that her head rolled off into a Chandala Vatika (Untouchables ward).

Parasurama though a casteist was not averse to raising lower castes and foreigners to Brahminhood if the situation demanded it.

One day the king on a hunting trip,visited Jamadagni with his army. The sage gave a grand treat to the guests with the help of a divine cow,KamaDhenu. Karthava Raya asked the sage to give the Kamadhenu,in exchange for one lakh cows. When the sage refused, he killed him and took Kamadhenu forcibly. Renuka fell upon her husband's body and yelled 'O Rama!', 'O Rama!', 21 times, to call her son who was in deep forest. On returning to the Ashram and seeing what has happened,the enraged parasu Rama raided Mahishmati, capital city of Kartava,who was also known as Sahasra Bahu (or thousand armed; probably to stress how strong he was). Despite their personal valor and huge army, the Haihayas were no match to the one-man army and were mercilessly slaughtered. Still not content, Parasu Rama toured the entire country and slaughtered all the Kshatriyas. This he had repeated 21 times, wiping out almost the entire Kshatriya race from the face of the Earth.
While the above is the puranic or Brahminic version which is widely in vogue, there is a different version,which one can know only if one visits the innumerable Renuka temples in Maharashtra and North Karnataka.Here, Renuka is being worshipped as a goddess and one can find small idols of Kartaveeryarjuna mentioned as 'Kartava Raya- Renuka Mata's lover'. The priests tell the actual story,from which one can gauge how unwarrantedly, Kshatriyas were killed by Parasu Rama.Here is the story.

Obviously the above story doesn't make sense from a historical POV and is simply Brahmin propaganda. All it may mean is that Kshatriyas were reduced in status by perhaps 21 different Brahmins who refused to do their coronations and reduced them to Shudra status. And that Haihayas were defeated by many of unknown lineages fighting on behalf of Parasurama, hence their names and ethnicities are not recorded and hence forgotten. This morphed to a one man army of Parasurama!
Parasurama later made his way to the Konkan coast to Kerala by reclaiming land from the Varuna by throwing his axe in the sea. This most likely alludes to some sort of civil engineering project resembling a dam in reverse! Only a couple of generations prior Sagara and Bhagiratha managed to get inter link various small rivers and divert a major Himalayan torrent into Western UP/Uttarakhan to form the Ganga(I think the captain just had a heart attack, who knew Zionist interlinkers existed in the pre Ramayanic era!)
It was believed that Kerala stretched all the way to Gujarat at one point. He then established Brahmin and Kshatriya communities , the latter were rather orthodox in that they were especially beholden to Brahmins to do their bidding. Nairs and  Nambuthiris come to mind. Another innovation was the creation of Brahmo Kshatriyas ie Brahmins who adopt Kshatriya vocations such as Chitpavan Brahmins of the Konkan Coast and Aaruvela Niyogi(the caste of yours truly) in AP. Tuluva and Saraswat Brahmins also belong to this category.


Renuka deeply loved Kartava Raya and she eloped with him. Parasu Rama killed Kartava in the battle ( Whether Kartava was trecherously killed,we will never know).On hearing the news,Renuka fled for her life,crossed the Narmada and travelled South and entered into deep forests of present Maharashtra.There she was given shelter by some low-caste people (indicative of the Chandala-vatika),where she spent the rest of her life. She to some extent educated these people and instructed them to construct temples in her remembrance and her lover and gave them a boon that their kin will become priests in her temples.
Till recently, nude prayers used to be performed in Renuka temples of North Karnataka. On a full moon night, devotees go to a river or pond nearby, remove all their clothes, and from there walk to the temple singing songs in praise of her love and dance all night. Could this ritual be a symbol of her failed and unsatiated love ?

Who knows? If Renuka is associated with Yellama, then these rituals are more due to the latter than the former. As Yellama is the patron diety of Devadasis. Interestingly both Renuka and Pararsurama elevated low caste fisherman into Brahmins and Kshatriyas.  Not to mention (especially West Asian)foreigners who arrived by coast. This is the basis of the legend of the fair skinned,green eyed  Chitpavans being descended from Jews though in reality they are most likely Hindu Afghans fleeing Muslim aggression via the sea.

There are too many cognates between Tulu and Telugu castes for it to be a coincidence. Apparently Tulu and Telugu languages were part of the same Dravidian family which later split up. Even as people of Andhra trace descent from the fallen sons of Vishwamitra, there is a strong Parasuramic element perhaps best exemplified by Brahmin dynasty Satavahanas who were singlehandedly stopped a confederacy of Scythians,Persians and Greeks from overrunning the Deccan and the most illustrious monarch Gautamiputra Satakarni threw them back beyond Gujarat and conquered Malwa.
The most great Teluguphile dynasty of the Vijayanagar empire were of the  Tuluva dynasty of which KrishnaDevaRaya was the pre eminent. KDR referred to himself as Andhra Bhoja. As King Bhoja Paramara of Malwa had defeated the Turushkas such as Salar Masud and Mahmud Ghazni and rebuilt the Somnath temple.
According to wikipedia:

The Paramara kingdom was established by the Rashtrakuta dynasty of southern India as governors of Malwa when the south Indian Emperor Govinda III of the Rashtrakuta Dynasty conquered Malwa.According to the Bhavisya Purana, the Kamadhenu (a cow which grants all wishes of one) of the sage Vasishtha was stolen by another sage Vishvamitra. Vasishtha therefore made an offering to the sacrificial fire at Mount Abu. A hero sprang out from the sacrificial fire and brought back the cow to the sage Vasishtha, who bestowed the name Parmar (slayer of the enemy) on him.
Bhoja ...He took Konkan in 1020 from the Silhara dynasty.

So we are back to Kamadhenu and Konkan!



 

56 comments:

  1. I'm sorry I've neglected my duty of crapping on your shite blog.
    You can't blame me- you are a weak dickless moron.
    Fucking marry Sanjeev Sabhlok why don't you?
    Made for each other like Narasimha Rao- your caste fellow- and the perennial Jail House dick of Niyogi anal impalement and ignominy.
    And before u mention this- nobody reads your shite because you can't read for shite- so it's just a question of who fucking dumps on who.

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  2. I'm sorry I've neglected my duty of crapping on your shite blog.
    You can't blame me- you are a weak dickless moron.
    Fucking marry Sanjeev Sabhlok why don't you?
    Made for each other like Narasimha Rao- your caste fellow- and the perennial Jail House dick of Niyogi anal impalement and ignominy.
    And before u mention this- nobody reads your shite because you can't read for shite- so it's just a question of who fucking dumps on who.

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    1. @Windwheel

      dude there's a life outside trolling :) do live that and learn something from the ex-troller Amith Mishra LOL

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    2. Removed and spammed. Mr windwheel , I tolerated enough of your crap. Its one thing to talk trash about me but another to harass my commenters. I dont see the need for ethnic slurs against anyone and every one but then that is what makes you windwheel. I will spare you the agony of shitting on my blog. Go spread your "wisdom" on others blogs if you are not banned there already. You are pretty much persona non grata on pretty much any India centric blog out there.

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    3. @YSV

      good to see u back :) windwheel had started writing just intolerable crap against your ethnicity.such people shouldnt be encouraged.

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    4. @ JAM I actually bothered because he started talking trash about you! Its one thing to abuse me but another to go after my commenters who didnt say anything to him!
      And remember his ethnic slur against "bongs" was nonsensical. I mean..."Illiterate bong" .Of all the negative stereotypes (deserved or undeserved) that are associated with Bengalis, illiterate is at the bottom of the list!

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  4. BTW if you are an elderly single man, non Manglik, the fact is we might be able to lift you out of Poverty.

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    1. My elder Uncle fucked a dog as part of an IIT hazing ritual many years ago. Marry the descendant of that dog. and YSR. us Upper Class Types will stop sneering at you. We will still laugh. But the sneering will stop.

      OMG this makes JAM jealous! Should have known a pi-dog like him would object.
      Seriously, dude, your ideas are quite earth-shaking. JAM, that fucking pi-dog, is holding you back!

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    2. dont miss your meds,your symptoms are worsening.Incase you have become too much deranged to help urself,ask your IIT elder uncle to assist u or,if reqd,apply physical force.I understand lunatics like you need to be thrashed sometimes for rejecting meds.

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    3. @windwheel
      Lets hope third time is lucky. Sometimes banning commenters in blogspot is a bit sloppy.
      I really dont care about your opinion on anything. Earlier you were all praise for me in an incredibly ingratiating manner. It didnt affect me then and neither do your incoherent,spittle heavy rants- why? You yourself are not aware of your faculties. I dont know why I am arguing with a mad man. I can only say it is the equivalent of slowing down while driving to watch a nasty car crash, you just cant help it sometimes.

      You have absolutely NOTHING going for you. All your content on your blog and elsewhere is incoherent gibberish punctuated by some obscure factoids and academic language that is the first and last refuge of a pretentious twat. And speaking of pretentious twats- for the last time , how often will you embarrass yourself by bringing up your LSE degree. Yes, yes I attended a state college in america and I wouldnt trade that experience for the world. Reagan went to an un named state college in Illinois while Bush ,Obama, Clinton et al went to fancy prep and elite universites. Who was the better President?
      KP Menon who was practically illiterate joined India back together with wit,courage and resolve in record time when the British left it in tatters while VK Menon , a pretentious twat of an LSE graduate like yourself wrecked the defense establishment and simply bend over for the Chinese almost undoing the other Menon's legacy.
      So dont come here again spouting your credentials. Nothing is more loathsome and pathetic than a man who when cornered starts spouting his "superior" education and background. For me, the best education is experience and best background is character. You have neither. Neither do you have integrity or dignity. Neither does your parasitical fucking family who lived on the taxypayers teat their entire lives, I suspect. You are unwelcome and ridiculed everywhere for a reason, with or without meds. Go back to shaking your fist at the sun and remember to take at its indifference as a sign cowardice and being intimidated by you. If it makes you sleep at night- why not?

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    5. The difference between us is that I have a mental illness which destroyed my life and you are just stupid and full off spite. The good news is, as you grow older, you will outgrow your adolescent attitudes and look back upon this blog as a folly brought on by a type of Durkheimian frustration not difficult to understand.
      But facts must be faced. You write badly.
      I personally climbed out of the black hole of Schizophrenia thanks to a 'Guru'- a very senior writer who got me to reorient my taste to the pap of wit, not that of the sort of worthlessness you espouse.

      YSR, I use your site as a lavatory because that is what yourself do. Everything you can't digest, all the bile that festers futilely in you, appears here in this blog subsumed under the more general revulsion associated with the typical South Indian Brahmin 'Inferiority/Superiority' bowel movement sample.
      You crossed swords with me by suggesting some Niyogis were 'Patriots'.
      I don't mind crossing swords with young people who may, suitably motivated, soon come to know more than me about something. I'm mad, but still an educator. Indeed, since my own needs are so simple, Donors increasingly give mine the decisive voice for Scholarships.
      I haven't read what you write about me. What would be the point? You are stupid and unhappy. Thus, it would be unkind of me to use your site simply as a lavatory.

      Unless, YSR- or JAM as you call the hand you masturbate with- really live only for these my plop plops in your pool.

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    6. BTW, I will fuck your Mum and sodomize your Dad. Are you happy now- State Uni cow that you are? That was what you wanted to hear?

      Fuck you. I've reported you to the FBI as a threat to my sister- a UN employee.
      We will soon find out who your 'JAM' is.The difference between you and me is that you are a terrorist. I am not.

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    7. I don't read your shite. But I have damaged your Life Chances. What happens next is your own fault. Your fucking JAM will also experience some pain.

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    8. Boy blogspot isnt as efficient as it used to be. But what can you do. While you are here windhweel , I must as well have some fun.

      Well it has nearly 3 years since you threatened to have me killed or made destitute. What has happenned since then? Its seems you are as impotent as your dad, which is why the neighborhood football hooligans did the honors and the result is your ugly visage. I heard your mom lost count after the 23rd participant leaving a gaping Grand Canyon size hole where her vagina used and the result being you slid out as if from a water slide. The fall out of course is she cant prostitute herself as she used in order to feed you and her alcoholic husband. The good news of course is that you learnt to fellate Nigerian asylum dwellers for their dole money!

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    9. "BTW, I will fuck your Mum and sodomize your Dad. Are you happy now- State Uni cow that you are? That was what you wanted to hear?"

      Looks like you have spoken from experience! I guess its true what they say about diplomatic upper circles and their lifestyles -they sure are weird! I mean I heard of wife swapping(to be sure no one wants your mother) but this is ridiculous!

      "Fuck you. I've reported you to the FBI as a threat to my sister- a UN employee."

      Good , while you are at it ,also report this: When your sister came crawling back asking me to pound her again as she wanted to get rid of her horrid memory of some guy called Vivek Iyer raping her in the backseat ofa Yugo(a third rate Soviet era car which he strangely would brag about as an indicator of his wealth), I said she is not worth my time as she is a traitor and sold state secrets to Pakistani ,not even for money but so that she could have access to the Waziristani goat herders who would gang bang her ...along with their goats! Then I spit and urinated on her, right before I shoved my foot down her throat. She then smiled and told me that she saw her dad and yourself experience the same thing in a club in Amsterdam for which they paid good money. She then surrendered her Bentley to me in gratitude

      Why be content with just the FBI? Feel free to contact every other intelligence agency as well. It would be more logical to start with Indian diplomatic corps though, dont you think..

      http://mea.gov.in/indian-foreign-service.htm

      CIA
      www.cia.gov

      CBI(India)
      cbi.nic.in

      MI5
      www.mi5.gov.uk

      Heck lets throw in the Mossad for the good measure
      mossad.gov.il

      To placate my Arab friends, lets balance out Mossad with the rather impressive Jordanian Mukhabarat

      www.gid.gov.jo

      Best of luck. Please let me know when I am dead or broke because clearly I am unable to realize for the past 3 years on my own

      Thanks
      Regards

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    10. @YSV

      LOL i didnt see this comment,as usual u have kicked someone's balls :-)

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    11. Don't thank me, I am a servant of the Public. You have a metier- admittedly of a niche variety, but it is right and proper that Niyogi Telugu Brahmins monopolise it.
      Nobody likes IFS officers or U.N officials. Yours is the siren song of the Subaltern (State Uni alumni) and sweet and meet upon your thick Telugu lips. Just imagine what all you might not have accomplished had you, like DR.AKULA, attended Harvard's Theological School? Niyogi Brahmins are hereditary bloodsuckers and vampires, but- due to your inferior education- you have not been able to contribute equally to the immiserisation of your own people.
      You able expound a sort of incestuous porn which is not entirely alien to the 'Smarta' tradition as modified and redeemed by Adi Sankara. Freud gave up sex at about the same time as Gandhi. Instinctual renunciation, in both cases, bred something more incontinent than babies- viz. an availability cascade. I suppose you seek the shelter of 'Hindutva' for your own blog because...you are just lonely and crap? Dunno. Me? I'm genuinely mentally ill. I do Peer Support and have a great life. But, thanks must go to the Lord- I say 'Pallani Appa' because that is my paternal Kuladevam, but Mum preferred Tirupati. What I am absolutely certain off is that my parents prayers for me saved me from - not death (which is God's gift of bliss)- but very needless suffering.
      Why? How?
      Parents, Grandparents, Relatives, Neighbours, Teachers- everyone only saw me- from childhood on- as someone to be supported, sacrificed for, not a resource to be exploited.
      That is why I know true meaning of Hinduism.
      Telugu is sacred language for my people. So is Braj. Does not mean we are not Tamils. Tears came into my eyes reading the words of a young man on his blog giving good and proper information on message of Saints. Why call him bad names?

      I am an old man- 52. What I enjoy and look forward to are small things- my Badminton game on Monday, Game Theory Seminar on Tuesday, Hearing Voices Group on Wednesday and so on. At one time, I gave 'literature' a try- I now run a Writing Group for people with Schizophrenia and find it immeasurably rewarding- and have no regrets, no 'Trishna' in that respect. I write poetry and I shit on people like you. Why? Well, my poetry isn't very good and people like you only want to be shit upon in a highly personalised form.
      Dog does not eat dog. You are not mentally ill- just a horrible person. But you are a South Indian Brahmin and I'm a 'Brahminbandhu' (i.e. no upanayanam and hence 'outcaste'- but then Hinduism's true glory is only revealed to those its 'Samaj' considers lowest)
      That said, I can find no redeeming feature in anything you write. You are shit simply. To shit upon shit, however, is perhaps hygienic. Your blog is a toilet. Worthless man, failed troll farmer, you yet provide a latrine where harassed Hindutva bloggers can 'drop their kids off at the pool'.

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    12. You and your family are not servants but parasites. It makes me sick to my sick that the Indian taxpayer has subsidized your luxurious retirement and treatment in not just a foreign country but the country of our colonizer no less!!

      Let me tell you why you come to this blog. Remember the scene in Catch Me If You Can , where Frank Abagnale Jr (Leonardo Dicaprio) calls his FBI pursuer Hanratty(Tom Hanks) on Christmas ,just shooting the breeze and taunting him initially but getting warmer and asking him about his family. But then Hanratty realizes- you have no one else to call and laughs at which point Abagnale feels vulnerable and exposed prompting him to hang up.

      So this is the reality- you were taunting me during Dusshehra and now Diwali(Happy Diwali BTW). You have no one to talk to as you are banned or blocked everywhere else. And I must be the only one who indulges you. You dont come here to shit but to weep and mourn. It would be cruel of me to stop you I suppose. Go for it.

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    14. Furthermore for the nth time, I am not a Hindutvadi. For a guy with a so called high end education, you sure have reading comprehension problems if you reach that conclusion.

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    15. Again with the Ivy League fan boyism. What gives you the idea that Harvard Theological Seminary teaches anything of worth these days. All they seem to do is cleverly package popular leftist talking points such as gay rights, transgenderism, abortion, social and economic "justice",anti racism, anti Zionism in a sophisticated religious garb and pedantry. Oh a lunatic would be impressed by such institutions...oh ...wait..

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    16. "Tears came into my eyes reading the words of a young man on his blog giving good and proper information on message of Saints. Why call him bad names?"

      I have been through this with you before. I dont know if amnesia is also part of your myriad of mental illnesses. It is because this "young man" who you so daintily refer to is a vicious anti Semite , Marxist ,racist, hate filled and all around bigot.
      His comments were there for you to see and I know you did see. If they didnt teach you read at your so called superior school, that's not my problem.
      Are you so utterly morally cretinous and intellectually bankrupt that you are unaware that sincerely religious people can be capable of great evil? Have you been living under the rock for the past 40 years? If so, please go crawling back under.

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    17. Metanoia, Prayashcitham, is foundational to Religion. The youngster in question did begin by trolling my site but was very rapidly converted to the Religion of Love, of Acceptance. He has made a genuine contribution, unlike mine or yours, to internet Hindutva by painstakingly presenting the message of our South Indian Saints.
      I don't read your blog. It is shit. You don't read mine because you are too fucking stupid and ignorant.
      A fucker like me, an 'Iyer', is not gonna fuck you up coz u r a Brahmin. Like it or not, we have common ancestors.
      The young man wasn't a Brahmin. But, he brought tears of repentance- Metanoia not Paranoia- to my aged eyes. If I can help him financially, I will do so but he has not responded to this 'cri de coeur', this heartfelt plaint, of mine.
      There was a time, about thirty years ago, when chauvinistic shite of the sort you spout wasn't considered wholly poisonous.
      That time has gone.
      You write like Sanjeev Sabhlok. That fool is ex-IAS. You are not. Your native province is highly dynamic and resistant to American PhD type fuckwits. Why? Because every fucking Telugu has equal access to the message of Great Saints. Your women are as strong as they are slender- why? Because they are true Patriots- not 'inferiority/superiority' fuckwits like you.
      You ask if I am 'morally cretinous' and 'intellectually bankrupt'. No doubt I am. But Iniyavel repudiated his hate speech and, what's more, put on his blog the morally perfect and soteriologically efficacious translation of such irrefragable Scripture as is granted us mortals. This moved me to tears. I am so sorry that Iniyavel disappeared from my horizon. Because of my mental illness, I have been employed for many years only on Charitable projects. No doubt, you will see something sinister in the fact that a LSE graduate got to dole out large sums of money while you, a State Uni alumni, did not. Should I add salt to the wound by telling you that even Jain Sadhus and Sadhvis came to take my 'leftover' food? You are an ignorant cunt. But you are an ignorant cunt like me. Stop hating yourself. Don't be a fucking lavatory all your fucking life. Become a good Indian. It's not difficult.
      Yes, Caste still disfigures aspects of Indian Religion. A Nambhoodri Sadhu can take cooked food from me, not you. So what?
      I support Gay Marriage. Fucking make an honest man out of JAM why don't you?

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    18. I support Gay Marriage. "

      Then go fuck Iniyavel in the ass post haste. But remember to chant Shaivite shloka while doing so so that its gets religious sanction as per your deranged mind.

      Your women are as strong as they are slender- why? Because they are true Patriots"

      What does being slender have to do with patriotism ROTFL. Behold the machinations of a deranged mind.

      "The youngster in question did begin by trolling my site but was very rapidly converted to the Religion of Love, of Acceptance. He has made a genuine contribution, unlike mine or yours, to internet Hindutva by painstakingly presenting the message of our South Indian Saints."

      Cut and pasting from Shaiva websites is not a "Contribution" of any sort. He did that all the while trolling his hatred here and he continued his paranoid anti semitic rants thereafter. There was ZERO praiyaschitam. As a refugee from a communist country stated after he saw some idiot Harvard professor
      defending the Soviet Union-"only an intellectual could be so stupid", I would say only an LSE graduate from a diplomatic family could be so retarded.

      Another thing you inbred, treacherous cretin whose sister gets fucked by Pakistani tribesman for pleasure- if you call me a Hindutvadi again- I will dedicate an entire blog to you and your sister. I am talking photoshop you and her with gay sex and animal porn. Stop me if you will- but Im guessing that you cant or perhaps wont as you will get off it.

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  5. @YSV,Enigma(if u are reading :) ) PremChand &others

    What's your opinion about bjp debacle in Bihar?what is going wrong?the mood in Modi rallies clearly showed the euphoria sarrounding a new govt,in contrast with the empty seats in Nitish and Rahul rallies.And this was the image even in the last 2 legs of the election.After this where did the narrative go wrong?Honestly I fail to understand,I wasnt shocked to this extent after the delhi saga ,because some of my Delhite friends told me before election that Delhites in general were planning to bring AAP to power .But Bihar defied everything,even just 3 months back, in the byelections in Bihar in around 20 assemblies ,bjp won 12 and alliance got just 7.and look at the margin,178 to 58?? when in the byelections 3 months back alliance was in complete backfoot.After watching a few news channel analysis,I feel none of them are actually getting to the core issues on why this happened.They are blaming bjp for communalism(as if the average voter accross villages cared for secular values enshrined in our constitution preamble :P) ,attack on Shahrukh Khan,award wapsi etc,but any normal person would know that elections in India are not fought on such generic national issues,atleast not in backward states like Bengal or Bihar.

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    1. JAM, you're probably a nice person, so I'm going to answer your question in my very boring, very old, manner.
      Everybody knows that in an election, you gotta have an alternative candidate. In the Lok Sabha election, last year, Rahul refused to be the PM candidate. So there was only one guy who wanted the job and said he could do it- viz Modi.
      This time in Bihar, Lalu said 'Nitish will be CM', and won a lot of seats. The BJP refused to put up an alternative- Sushil Modi- and gave seats to Manjhi and Kushwaha and so on. Their own roster was Upper Caste. They deserved to lose. Lalu was the man of the match. Fucking Gujjus, who export more meat per capita than anyone else, lecture us about Beef? Bihar is more agrarian than Gujerat. 'Beef' is a recipe for hooligan violence. Anyone whose cow died or disappeared becomes a target.
      Ultimately, however, BJP did not project Sushil Modi (Bania). Who in their right mind would want Manjhi or Kushwaha or Paswan?
      Rahul played a blinder by staying away.
      Gujerat is 'the place Bhakti goes to die'.
      Hindu means all Indian people including Jain, Indian Christian, Irfan fucking Habib, etc. YSR need not apply. He threatens my sister with rape and suggests that Smarta Iyer Brahmins engage in incest.
      This would be fine if there were a specific Niyogi Telugu Brahmin agenda in the relevant local politics.
      Such is not the case. I do meet senior people, in Politics, but YSR does not. He is just writing illiterate condescending casteist shite.
      Why?
      The man is a failure- not mentally ill- just a common of garden variety 'loser'.
      Yes, I could crush him. But he's a Brahmin and the little shit wouldn't survive serial buggery in a Federal Prison.
      This is called Hindu tolerance.
      Mind it kindly.
      Aiyayo.

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    2. Hindu means all Indian people including Jain, Indian Christian, Irfan fucking Habib, etc."

      Hahaha no, I am not surprised you apply this idiotic RSS definition of "Hinduism"

      "He threatens my sister with rape and suggests that Smarta Iyer Brahmins engage in incest. "

      No I maintain that your sister is too ugly for rape and she waits in parking lots late at night just so that there will be assaulted in that manner. Indeed she is so thankful for any human touch that she often ends up paying the assailants for their ..ugh ..services.

      "Yes, I could crush him. "

      You couldnt crush me anymore than you can crush an ant.You have been claiming to crush me for the last three years. What happened? You couldnt crush any more than your ugly,corrupted, thieving,traitorous, disease ridden incestuous whore of a sister could seduce Hrithik Roshan.

      Dont let the truth hurt you,after all-
      Satyam Shivam Sundaram

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    3. Bastard, you fucking Telugu Niyogi Brahmins refused to have sex with my sister even though we were offering a huge dowry. Why? Just because she was tall and well built. The truth is, Hindu women beat and abuse men who want to violate their chastity. Hindu men do the same- unless they are called YSV Rao in which case they incessantly importune all and sundry to punitively rape that asshole of theirs which indeed is large than their blogopheric Universe.
      Fuck's sake, go after my mental disability. Then we could have a dialogue. Look, you may simply be evil and stupid. But, if you are mentally unwell then I want to help you.
      Why?
      I'm fucking crazy. It don't feel good. At all. I wouldn't want my worst enemy to go through what I do on a daily basis.
      A cri de coeur- i.e. cry from the heart- may simply be part of an unmeaning elitist rhetoric. But, evidence of mental illness, such as that evinced by your post, calls, surely, from some better response from me, an actual Paranoid-Schizophrenic, than the stern injunction to stop using JAM's cock as a fucking all purpose drinking straw.
      Mind it kindly.
      Aiyayo.

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  6. @JAM
    Biharis deserve opportunists like nitish and scamsters like lalu. They are destined to rot in jungle Raj as long as they remain ignorant. Biharis welcomed Lalu and his goons with open hands to loot them for next 5 years. Now that RJD won most number of seats Lalu will have final say in every action that CM Nitish is going to take. Had Nitish maintained his alliance with NDA he would have won more seats with higher majority. What more can you expect from a govt when its going to be ruled by corrupt Lalu from backend. As far as BJP is concerned it paid price for being too arrogant and its communal politics. Modi and Amit shah team should concentrate on how to contain manufactured "intolerance" propagated by fraudulent academics and our paid media. BJP's weakest link is its handling of media. Most of the MSM crooks want to malign Modi and he gives them chance by constantly appearing in photo ops and foreign trips. Modi should come out of this obsession and start the actual work to win back people's trust. There is no dearth of supporters for him but Modi and his team continue to indulge in beef politics they are doomed.

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    1. @ Enigma. I dont buy that. When is the last time BJP was in serious play in Bihar. Bihar is one of those places where regional parties get a better shake than national ones.
      @JAM the difference in attenance between Modi and Sonia rallies may not mean much but just that Modi being the PM, more people would turn out to see him while Sonia is yesterdays stale daal!
      But even so the resourceful Nitish Kumar made clever use of this daal to prepare a tempting feast!

      Lalu is a crook for sure. I mean I actually gave him benefit of doubt when Indian Railways allegedly showed a profit under his tenure and for this he was lauded a management guru and even invited to speak at Harvard.
      The key word- allegedly. It turned out to be a very brilliant twist on creative accounting that fooled people into thinking IR showing a revenue surplus!
      Yes, the Indian trains are somewhat less filthy than before ,but you have to admit, thats a pretty low bar!

      Nitish Kumar's governance seems to be the real deal and there is very tangible difference to quality of life and infrastructure in Bihar. If Biharis have gone for governance over casteist politics whether pro or con BJP/RJD then good for them.

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    2. @YSV

      your analysis is sharp as usual(windwheel might differ LOL ) :-) but the fact is that in the byelections just 2-3 months back,biharis had chosen to stay with NDA 12-7.and this was a byelection,generally people dont bother about byelections.then what could possibly go wrong,I guess Nitish thoroughly capitalised Mohan Bhagwat's comment on rechecking utility of reservation.

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    3. @ysv
      Regional parties always have advantage in states like Bihar. For the same reason alliance with NDA would have fetched more seats for JDU than with RJD&Cong. During 2010 assembly elections JDU allied with NDA and contested for 141 seats out which it won 101 seats. Whereas in current elections number of seats JDU contested came down to 101 and surprisingly RJD emerged as the single largest party with 80+ seats. This is what happens when alliance is formed with crooks like laalu (regional party) and Congis. RJD &congress ate their way into seat sharing thus reducing majority of JDU. Now it's all going to be Laalu Raj as he will hold sway in Bihar politics and govt functioning.

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      Embrace for jungle raaj 2 :-) the trailer was released on 8th nov 2015 :-P

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  7. Interesting. Fur
    You are literally too stupid to fuck. I just found your vagina, cuntface! It will cost you. Fucker you insulted Smarta Vadadeshi Vadamas by using disgusting language about at senior IFS officer and UN official. Clearly, if you are permitted to live, then your particular ethnicity gains some advantage.
    Worthless cunt, you and your family must be killed and sodomized by each other. Until that happens I will always say- YSR is the fart of the Iyer whose arse is named Rao.

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  8. I don't read your shit but comment here as a bookmark for Law Enforcement. However, I think- because of your stupidity- I can fuck with your head a little. By having it cut off.
    Just kidding. Unless your head really falls off/
    You make threats against a senior UN official. JAM is your accomplice as is the other cunt.
    Persistence pays off. You are shite and I am going to see you spit sperm in prison. I

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    1. is ur schizophrenia really cured dude?? cross check it !

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    2. Fucker you insulted Smarta Vadadeshi Vadamas "

      It is this type of casteist arrogance that makes me appreciate the appeal of Periyar and co....

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    3. You have said that Smarta Vadadeshi Vadama Iyers who hold high Public Office as members of IFS, IAS etc are engaging in incest and rape of a wholly unnatural and obscene kind.
      To be clear- I reject your view.
      You are aware of my mental illness. You have acted provocatively. There is an adversarial relationship between us.
      In the circumstances, you have only yourself to blame.

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    4. Go ahead ,do your worst your incestuous impotent little shit. It helps actually to get out there ,file a complaint with the police, scour your contacts, get a cyber security specialist to track me down etc etc. But you cant do all that while you spend most of your time getting ur ass rammed by a strap on weilded by your sister dressed as Nazi officer.
      I am aware of your mental illness and I will continue to provoke you even more if you keep choosing to come here and spew filth. Once again I dare you to stop me.

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    5. Your sister and your mother sold secrets to enemy nations not even for money but for sex. How disgraceful. Meanwhile your dad never performed his duties but spent all his money in S&M clubs in Amsterdam where he died of asphyxiation choking on womens underwear which he earlier wore.
      Mind it kindly

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  9. Fuck it. You are too shite to prosecute. Go fuck yourself.

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  10. I've tried, but you are simply a turd beyond all communication. I shit on you and you like it. I don't know why.

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    1. " I shit on you and you like it. I don't know why."

      Hey thats what I told your mom ,last night. And then she paid me from money which she stole from your wallet(which you in turn acquired from pimping your sister dressing her as a young boy to Afghan drug lords). I heard the way they routinely violated her filled you with bitter envy.

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    2. The truth is my sister and Mom and granny and so on probably had the gene for actually wanting sex to a degree higher than anything I have. But, for Evolutionary reasons, this is true of all femininity.
      I was the 'night watchman' of the Indian YMCA Hostel in London from late '79 to about '82. This overlapped with my Student Chairmanship which lasted till '83. I would punish foul mouth fuckers like you. However, ultimately- though my own sister had stayed in the Women's Section (which is why I was employed in the first place- being a poor Hindu Brahmin from 'Service' family, I had to fight to preserve the reputation of YMCA otherwise we would not be able to afford the Dowry for my Sister) once she left and I got older, I saw that there was genuine romance between Boy's section and Lady's section.
      A good example is the current CFO of Fox. He was Punjabi and pursuing an Iyer girl. But Ajay was like an elder brother to me. I intervened. Both parties cried. They did not get married right away but they did subsequently without inviting me. Later, Ajay told my sister in New York that I had been jealous!
      This sort of jealousy is a good thing. I personally felt that a 'dark skinned' Iyer girl without high educational qualifications should not be 'used and abused' by a fair skinned Punjabi 'Khattri'. But it was the lady- who came from a well off, entrepreneurial family, who cut me down to size. 'Vivek, I love him. I regard him as my Lord. Let him discard me. My family will look after me. How are you concerned?'
      Of course, she was my 'Akka' (elder sister) and entitled to make me feel like a piece of shit.
      However, I immediately went to see Ajay- a good friend- but he wept and got it into his head that I was betraying our friendship because of 'Brahmin Superiority' or some such shite.
      Anyway, one thing I learned as a youngster helping run the Indian YMCA in London circa '80 to '83, was that it is undemocratic milieus- like Pakistan in the Eighties- which breed both scurrilousness and sociopathy. I personally was never a victim. I am very dark and obviously 'Hindu'- the result was that even when I was completely mad, Pakistani origin Millionaires did not remove my name as a Trustee of their own beloved children.
      I don't know why I am telling you all this. I suppose I feel vicariously flattered that you want to have sex with elderly women from my family.
      No. That isn't it. I'm mentally ill. On my good days, I still can serve the Community. Indeed, my illness is a blessing in disguise! in that I benefit from people far far smarter than myself.
      But, a lot of the time, I can't do anything. Not even make a cup of tea. Funny thing is- like a rabid dog- I can still 'do' Social Media.
      I take medication but that is not a panacea. I have to do my exercise and social routine. AT the moment I've stopped- not because of you YSV- but because these are not linear processes and anyway I'm a fucking foul mouthed cunt.
      I know you are a young guy pretending to be an old guy. Okay, your literary talent, however slender, outweighs such vocational valency your 'State College' endowed you with.
      Still, we both know that your Expected Life Chances require repair. It is perfectly okay for you to say things about elderly Iyer women because- by a QC opinion gratuitously given me- they are better placed to take action themselves.
      Look YSV, you have a mental illness.
      I am an older man. I have a tough love approach.
      I can't tell the difference between a Telugu Niyogi and Tamil Samrta.
      Look, I am not always a 'drinkin', blasphemin' type person. That's just an act on my blog.
      If you need help- I want you to get it.

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    3. I know Im wasting my time responding to the stream of consciousness above but I really dont give a crap about any of these issues or your myriad of complexes. Find another shoulder to cry on.

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  11. @YSV

    It would be great if you put up a separate post on the current debate regarding Tipu Sultan and Akbar which is raging the social media.I would like to know your unbiased views on this topic.u can write it in comments section also,incase u dont want a separate post for it.

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    1. Hi JAM, firstly thank you for posting the comment here instead of the Vadakayil related posts as looking for comemnts there is like looking for a needle in a haystack as direct comment links dont seem to work on my browser.

      Secondly I have been out of the loop on this matter. Could you clue me in , all I know is the ruckus about Siddaramiah declaring Tipu Sultan a secular hero and some guy associated with VHP(?) dying in related clashes

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      yeah sure :) the current fight on twitter and SM between Sangh and seculars is on the point Tipu being a secular hero or not,or rather,whether Tipu was a nationalist as has been portrayed till now.my opinion is that Tipu was neither a secular nor a nationalist,but one regional newspaper I subscribe daily,today had an interesting article on this.the author claims that Tipu was not a strict hindu hater,since he had helped in reconstructing Shiva temples and respected the chief priest of Sringeri Mutt.Again the author argues that Tipu had many hindus as his top officials.Frankly this has left me confused,u will surely know more on this.However though I am confused on the point of secularism in Tipu,I have no doubt on the other issue,ie,whether he was a nationalist or not.Tipu did fight brits and hated them like anything,but he can never be considered a freedom fighting nationalist,just like the battle of plassey was never a battle for nationalism.Infact unless I am unaware of any part of history,I think Sannyasi Rebellion was the first real fight for nationalism,as the main target of this rebellion was the betterment of Indian masses after driving out East India Company.
      My other query is on Akbar.What's your take on Akbar's secularism?Is Akbar also misrepresented by seculars?Did he really have uncanny secularism going by 15th century islamic standards,or it is also overhyped?I would like to get your detailed views on both Tipu and Akbar.

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      I think the direct comment link is not a fault of your browser but rather some bug in blogger programming.Even I cant use direct comment link in high comment posts in google blogspot.btw just to inform u,capt is now shedding some precious tears for Pol Pot :)

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    4. Hi I just posted an article on Tipu and Akbar. I browsed through the captains site and found that bizarre pol pot article. I glanced through it but it is the usual conspiratorial rubbish with no substantial proof. I still dont get the captains hard on for communism and his desperate attempt to excuse and explain away its brutalities and deprivations as he considers communism as a Rothschild plot!Now he even turned Hillary Clinton into a Jewish person!! This would be news to her Jewish former advisor Dick Morris who accused her of anti Semitism , as per him , her exact words were "you Jews always think about money"
      As for the uber Zionist Henry Kissinger- he actually felt that diverting resources to save the Jews from the Holocaust wouldnt have been in U.S's best interests and hence had no issue leaving them to their fate. He was also reluctant to help Israel during the 1973 war when it seemed like an Israeli defeat and and Egyptian ,Syrian conquest of Israel inevitable. Even as the famed Israeli general Moshe Dayan wept on national television and he along with Israeli PM Golda Meir contemplated suicide in case of Israeli defeat.

      Some Zionist!

      Speaking of Zionist, Rothschild conspiracies- check this out LOL
      http://vadakayilzioniststooge.blogspot.com

      captain got paid back in his own coin ;-) You keep feeding this conspiracy tiger, eventually it will eat you!

      When I googled "ajit vadakayil rothschild agent" , it was the first entry LOL

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      Your articles dismantling capt and Agniveer's claims on meat eating and vegeterianism in Hinduism hopefully will go a long way in stopping the misconception spread.

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    6. Does anyone get the impression that the "vadakayilzioniststooge" article was written by someone we know? Someone who was kicked out of this blog for hatred and antisemitism a while ago?

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    7. @Premchand haha , I have to disagree. That particular individual for the most is incapable of such staid language. His posts about Jews and Vadakayil were often of extreme intemperance.

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      At the very least, I think the author of this article has copied some of the staid language from you. Look at this:

      "Our seemingly heroic captain went off the deep end and starting spamming and irritating blog owners and online news portals [...]. It has gotten to the point where he has ended up getting banned pretty much everywhere. [...] But now all the webites have banned him and his comments about some stupid Muslim actor even got him arrested. "

      And there is more. He even compares a picture of the Captain to the Israeli flag with the phrase "two peas in a pod". I don't think it is a coincidence.

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