Saturday, November 1, 2014

The real story of Ganesha(correcting PM Modi's misinformation)

I could not help but cringe when our Prime Minister Narendra Modi publicly exposed his ignorance on Hindu philosopy and the Puranas which deal with the birth of Ganesha.
Just for the record Ganesha is a diety ie a philosophical concept not an actual mortal entity be he animal or human.
I will let a very perceptive and knowledgable Indian American software consultant Kunal Singh speak eloquently on this issue (from the archives of Google groups)
Ganesh was a deity produced by the Shakti cult represented by Parvati,
thus Parvati creates him from his own body without Shiva's help.  The
Shakti cult also undergoes several reincarnations, Sati being the
precursor to Parvati, Durga being another form of Parvati.  A cult can
give birth to a new deity in Hinduism.
Ganesh has an elephant head because he is renowed for buddhi which
relies on memory represented by the elephant.  His legend is
associated with the union of Shiva and Parvati which occurs due to
buddhi consciously interpreting Prakrti.  Ganesh had initially
insisted that buddhi was an entirely non-conscious process, his mother
Parvati looking on quite proudly, but he was eventually defeated.
Taken in the ordinary context, a wife producing a child without a
husband and then quitely watching her son battle her husband without
interfering is indeed a strange concept and it should strike you as
strange.  The strangeness should make you realize that you are not
interpreting the legend in the appropriate context.
 Karttikeya was considered
to be the son of Parvati despite his being born from Shiva's semen,
Ganesa being a direct response of Shakti (Parvati) to Karttikeya being
taken away from them unfairly.
The relationship between Shiva and Parvati was still quite unequal.
   Parvati felt that most of Shiva's "ganas" sang his glories and
   decided to create her own "gana."  Ganesha was created by Parvati
   from her own body.  And Ganesha would raise the issue of buddhi.  For
   only is Prakrti necessary to maintain material cycles, it is the
   basic foundation of buddhi (knowledge).  For most of what man
   perceives, he perceives in nature and his reasoning is verily based
   on entities which he identifies in Prakrti.  Ganesha seems to argue
   for completely excluding consciousness from the functioning of buddhi
   (refuses to allow Shiva to meet Parvati).  He fights a tremendous
   battle which challenges even Shiva.  Shiva wins in the end,
   beheading the deity of Ganesha only to restore it upon later
   thought as the deity of buddhi or knowledge by attaching the head
   of an elephant (memory ?) to Ganesha's body.
    Taking into context that dieties were representations of various schools of thought which was the case in ancient India, this interpretation makes the most sense.
So I would request curious readers to leave PM Modi's nonsensical ideas in Hinduism in the trash bin even if you respect him as a leader.


  1. Kunal Singh has given a good analysis of the principle of Ganesha.However what has Modi said about Ganesha.You have not put that.I didnot read in the newspaper or online news about his comment on this.It is said that Ganesha was born from the dirt of Parvati.Actually Ganesha in his original form served an obstruction between the union of Purusha and Prakriti for creation of the multiverse.I think this refers to some form of primordial quantum energy field which served as a barrier to consciousness.That is why probably the original Ganesha was said to be created from Parvati,which represented the whole energy field.Ganesha was more like some form of quantum fluctuation in the energy field.Modern physicists have agreed that quantum fluctuation is responsible for the creation of space and time.So Ganesha in his original form probably represented multidimensional space and time. But ultimately consciousness(Shiva) overcame it and merged with energy(parvati),and thus our multiverse(Ganesha with elephant head) in his new form was the multidimensional space.The large belly of Ganesha is said to keep this multiverse.

  2. As you can tell, when it comes to the blog I am a bit of a procrastinator. I just had to put this out there ASAP as I wanted to correct the misinterpretation. I figured I will bother with the other details later!

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    1. Every politician makes gaffes, even the most seasoned one. These are relatively minor and that you pounce on them and highlight just shows your desperation.
      I don't say as a fan of Modi, heck I wouldn't have created that post if I was. But all in all I am indifferent to him and actually see him a breath of fresh air compared to the impotence and ineffectual Vajpayee or the puppet Manmohan Singh.

      If you serious and embarrassing failures of not just general knowledge and plain nonsense, I have quite a few gems of your hero Periyar such as his claims that the bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are no big deal , that TN makes those in Sivakasi all the time.

      Or that Christianity and Islam historically enjoyed strong cohesion and unity and that Christians and Muslims never indulged in intra war fare.

      There is a lot more from where that came from.

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    3. I keep bringing him because you keep idolizing him. I did not have much to say about him until you turned up and started praising him to the skies.

      In what way was Karunanidhi "100s of times more efficient"
      How did he improve TN in say economy, employment, social harmony, infrastructure, cleanliness, utilites(electricity, water), relations between other states, dealing with Sri Lanka etc etc.

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    6. It just occurred to me that you constantly shift the goal posts when your arguments are DOA. The issue was never Periyar's skills at governance but his idiocy and frothing at the mouth hatred which you simply dismiss summarily.

      You wish to praise Periyar but when I counter by criticizing him , you whine that he had died a long time ago , whats the point of bringing him up?!

      So which is it, either you stop referring to Periyar because he is long passed or we can discuss his glories(?) AND warts. You cannot have it both ways.

      Furthermore I would be very cautious about giving Periyar credit for anything. In the post independence era, people had a great deal of pride and civic sense which came from optimism of a newly independent India. This was true across most states not just TN. Cynicism, despair and corruption was yet to set in.

      Similarly in the post liberalization era of 1990s, there was a great deal of foreign interest in India's market and quite a few states opened their doors to international manufacturers and service providers. Neighboring AP and Karnataka also competed to woo Hyundai et al butTN got it (Kerala was out of the question due to rampant unionism). Having factories set up is a combination of many factors but one success followed another and good for TN . But I do know that the TN lot can be sore losers. I have seen the venom spewed against AP and Karnataka by Tamils when they heaped the lions share of the IT revolution.

      And here we go with the lame Gujarat Model bashing. I hope you are not basing that on Sabhlok's "analysis" LOL. While Sabhlok is astute on many economic matters, when it comes to Modi he is positively deranged(much like you). Firstly Gujarat's strength were never IT or manufacturing but finances, ports ,trading and entrepreneurial. And Gujarat unlike TN wasn't very urban and most of Gujarat's talent pool preferred Mumbai. It took a lot of maneuvering for Modi to change the culture and policies of Gujarat to get it to where it was a decade later.

      And talents such as finance, entrepreurial, logistics etc tend to bear fruit a lot later than manufacturing and IT where the results are quicker and easier to evaluate.

      re Karunanidhi grandsons in film industry

      Are you serious? Tamil and Telugu film industries are rife with nepotism and cronyism. His grandsons have tremendous advantages in getting the best stars, directors and composers to helm their film as well as sweet heart deals on locations and distribution. They already have a serious head start over the competition. Only a fool would state that a politicians offspring in India tend to make a fair and honest living.

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    1. 1. Ok that is rather dishonest because you go around bashing other leaders left and right, so it is fair game to bring up your role model and scrutinize him as well to know where you are coming from.
      And don't give me this bullshit about Hitler, you try each and every passive aggressive method to praise him and the Nazis ,no matter how mildly, hopeing that it will escape my radar. I wasn't born yesterday , I am familiar with all these dirty tricks.

      2. No Indian state is "occupied" by "outsiders" as they are citizens of India and have the right to travel and inhabit other states as they wish. That is the flipside of development - cosmopolitanism. Just because you don't leave your house, don't blame others if they wish to leave their's to better their life. You live a cloistered, sheltered, pampered existence, so you don't know shit about the sufferings of the average lower middle class and below people. I didn't begrudge masses of Tamils moving to Mumbai and Bangalore as well as Hyderabad to better their life or the hordes of bhaiyas from UP and Bihar to seek opportunities in Punjab and elsewhere. This is their right to try and seek employment in any Indian state. For you to take exception to this as it now stands is the crudest form of xenophobia and racism.

      2. India is grateful for the Tamil contribution to its development but there are quite a few others such as Kuren (white revolution), Homi Bhaba,Vikram Sarabhai(nuclear program),Narasimha Rao, Manmohan Singh(economic reforms) , Prashanta Das Mahanabolis(Indian statistical Institute)etc etc.
      It is one thing to discuss only the benefits of Tamils but what of the drawbacks, Tamil pressure drew the Indian army into a fiasco in Sri Lanka all the while Indian Tamils were lynching SL Tamils and evicted them from Tamil Nadu. Thanks a lot for that.
      And shall we disregard the "contributions" of Varadarajan Mudaliar, Haji Mastaan, the Tamil (and Telugu) contribution to the (British and French) East Indian Company corps?
      India is not lacking in brilliant people whether from AP, Telengana, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Kerala, Bengal or even Bihar..they will get by.
      Don't get ahead of yourself.
      ANd Shiva Ayyadurai?! Really . This guy's odd claims have been pretty much discredited. At the most he developed a program as a high school student called EMAIL which though impressive for a teenager, was simply a crude prototype of the eponymous communication system that later followed. And even he never claimed to be the "founder of the internet". Sorry for a computer science student like yourself, this is pretty sloppy knowledge.And to just rub some salt on your wounds further. He recently married Fran Drescher, a prominent JEWISH actress who made a living out of playing an offensive caricature of stereotypical Jew(The Nanny). This is her third marriage. Her first ended after her husband turned out to be gay. She was also sexually assaulted in a home invasion. Talk about damaged goods!

    2. 2c. What innovation? How many patents ,research papers, companies came out of TN of international repute. None. In that they are not really any different than India which is quite backward in the R&D and entrepreneurship no matter what the hyper patriots claim. The issue is that you believe that TN would thrive upon getting independence which is just delusional. The socio political system of TN is so thoroughly dysfunctional that the society will end up cannibalizing itself upon independence.

      4. Karunanidhi's offspring can do a lot to break monopolies of film making and distribution networks as well as introduce better storylines and narratives to make Tamil film truly world class( as of now it is better than Bollywood for my money, but that's like complimenting a bride by stating that she is prettier than a leper). But I don't think they will be doing that but taking the path of least resistance ie Rajnikanth garbage.
      If they were serious they could've done what Mitt Romney ,2012 Presidental candidate , did in his youth. His father was a millionaire and a politician but he gave up all his money and moved to a far away state where his connections meant little and made his own fortune. I really don't understand this stupid question "if not for films, what else can they do otherwise"? Is DMK/AIDMK?FUMFDMK whatever other weird acronym du jour so obtuse and dysfunctional that all they think of film, media and propaganda?
      On this note I would say the people of Bihar and UP maybe relatively illiterate but at least their residents are not so dim as to vote for movie stars as the so called educated people in AP and TN do. Heck Amitabh Bacchan tried his hand and failed horribly. This is credit to the good people of UP.

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    3. That Tamil -Jew connection article is thoroughly crank and makes too many unsubstantiated and irrelevant claims . And again with the damn star of David !. The ancient Israelites didn't really care for the star of David at all. Their symbol was the menorah.

      What is with you and crackpot blogs? Where is your sense of discrimination?

      Just because something is in your ancestral homeland , it doesn't mean you can prevent entry from others. There are other Hindu who revere shrines in Kumbakonam, Madurai etc. You cant jusify banning them because of your bigotry and yes that is what it is- bigotry.

      Tamils will improve when they realize their greatness which is inextricably linked with the Vedic people of the heartland whether you like this or not.
      Bihar and UP are the cultural lode stars of Indic civilization, as long as they are "BIMARU" , no other Indic culture is going thrive. Secession or not

      All you talk about is banning, abolishing, restricting, prohibition etc etc. Are you even vaguely familiar with notions of liberty or is your mind so warped with fascism and mind control that you wish to impose it on others?

    4. "Bihar and UP are the cultural lode stars of Indic civilization, as long as they are "BIMARU" , no other Indic culture is going thrive. Secession or not"

      However, that is not the case now, is it? Ever since the Turkish invasions, BIMARU and the North-West are less Hindu than the rest of India. By the modern era, Bengal had become the most sophisticated and civilized thanks to the Bengali Renaissance.

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