Devanaya Pavanar: Perfect combination of superiority and inferiority complexes
While idly browsing info about Lemuria, I came across this Tamil supremacist who made these extravagant claims
He claimed that Tamil is a "superior and more divine" language than Sanskrit. In his view the Tamil language originated in "Lemuria" (இலெமூரியா Ilemūriyā), the cradle of civilisation and place of origin of language. He believed that evidence of Tamil's antiquity was being suppressed by Sanskritists.
(from wikipedia)
Pavanar's timeline for the evolution of mankind and Tamil is as follows:
ca. 500,000 BC: origin of the human race,
ca. 200,000 to 50,000 BC: evolution of "the Tamilian or Homo Dravida,
c. 200,000 to 100,000 BC, beginnings of Tamil
c. 100,000 to 50,000 BC, growth and development of Tamil,
50,000 BC: Kumari Kandam civilisation
20,000 BC: A lost Tamil culture on Easter Island which had an advanced civilisation
16,000 BC: Lemuria submerged
6087 BC: Second Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
3031 BC: A Chera prince wandering in the Solomon Islands saw wild sugarcane and started cultivation in Tamil Nadu.
1780 BC: The Third Tamil Sangam established by a Pandya king
7th century BC: Tolkāppiyam, the earliest extant Tamil grammar
I am actually open to Graham Hancock type historiography that there was ancient civilization in India that preceded both Dravidian and Aryan presence . There are some indicators in both Ramayana and Mahabharata as to the same. However this is not the same as lemuria. In any event ,assuming that Ramayana was set in far more ancient era, seeing how the distance from southern India to "Lanka" seemed to be 100s or 1000km (depends on how yojanas are measured) , not only does Sri Lanka not fit the profile but also clearly this would be negates the presence of Lemuria they need to cross the seas rather than traverse on foot.
However even Hancock at his most fanciful doesnt make claims of 100,000 year old civilizations. At the most he refers to ante diluvien cultures which were extinguished 15 to 20, 000 years ago. And lasted about the same amount of time.
However he says something peculiar (bolded text)
There is no other language in the whole world as Tamil, that has suffered so much damage by natural and human agencies, and has been done so much injustice by malignant foreigners and native dupes.
The general belief that all arts and sciences are progressively advancing with the passage of time, is falsified in the case of philology, owing to the fundamental blunder of locating the original home of the Tamilians in the Mediterranean region, and taking Sanskrit, a post-Vedic semi-artificial composite literary dialect, the Indian Esperanto, so to speak, for the prototype of the Indo-European Form of Speech.
Westerners do not know as yet, that Tamil is a highly developed classical language of Lemurian origin, and has been, and is being still, suppressed by a systematic and co-ordinated effort by the Sanskritists both in the public and private sectors, ever since the Vedic mendicants migrated to the South, and taking utmost advantage of their superior complexion and the primitive credulity of the ancient Tamil kings, posed themselves as earthly gods (Bhu-suras) and deluded the Tamilians into the belief, that their ancestral language or literary dialect was divine or celestial in origin.
"Superior complexion"?? Is this the opinion of the author or of the Tamils of the past. Because I am unaware of any text where Tamils explicitly or implicitly accepted Brahmins as overlords due to their fair skin (I assume that is what he means by "superior complexion"). Brahmin domination of Tamil society didnt happen overnight. Brahmins were present in TN since about 500 BC or possibly earlier. The patronage and privileges extended to Brahmins had ebbs and flows and reached its nadir during the Kalabhra interregnum which the Brahmins refer to as "dark ages" only because the peasants got tired of the Muvendar kings( ironically beloved by Dravidian supremacists) giving away their lands to absentee Brahmin landlords and reducing them to serfdom. The Kalabhras were probably pastoral folk for Eastern Karnataka or Orissa/Andhra border who took control of Tamil regions and restored lands to the agrarian classes. However the later Pallavas ,Pandyas and Cholas restored the aagraham and brahmadeya traditions. This also wasnt without resistance and there were peasant revolts since then even under Vijayanagar and Nayakar kings. It does not seem that they were awed by their Brahmin landlords complexion into compliance.
It seems that the author is grafting his own complexes onto his ancestors and not content with that he even uses the term "primitive credulity of the ancient Tamil kings" . what ? I thought Tamil was this sophisticated 100s of millenia year old civilization and culture and suddenly they are "primitive" and not able to see spiritual posers( as he perceives Aryans) a mile away and exchanged their own sacerdotal language for Sanskrit thanks to the Aryans used car sales pitch.
If you beleive that, you will believe anything.
As with Hindutvadis ,Brahmin, white or black supremacists and now with Dravidians, all of their claims are based on personal shortcoming and complexes . It doesnt take too much deconstruction and dissection to see what really motivates and animates them.
Write more on current topics. I don't want read about some fuckimg tamilian.
ReplyDeleteI will write about whatever chooses my fancy-Whether the subject is a fucking Tamilian, Telugu, Bihari, Dutchman, American or Eskimo.
DeleteYou have the option of not reading it if it upsets you so much.
oh dear. Another anime avatar. is this who I think it is?
DeleteNah i am not the dude. I am the guy who was called A follower. You and ajith vadakayil arr my favs. Sadly i am not quite active on net nowadays and I can't find captain amywhere
DeleteHow someone can favor me and the captain is beyond me. Anyway thats what makes the world a mysterious place.
DeleteCaptains blogpsot domain was blacklisted by google for a while but now I find it in search results again. Nowadays he is busy running his ashram scam with the honeypot Suman.
@YSV
DeleteCaptain kicked out this Suman broad recently and reshuffled his ashram's membership.
And her blog has been removed . Not sure whether by her or google.
DeleteAll this drama makes my head spin.
This ashram situation has some really bad mojo. He should drop the entire scheme or he will be arrested again and he wont bounce in a couple of days like he did last time with Aamir Khan fiasco. I can see serious charges being filed.
I think he's going to slowly lose all his members as he alienates them.
DeleteIf you check his comments from 2010 -2013 when the blog had just started gaining traction, he didnt seem so deluded. Sure his views were kooky as ever but he was coherent and his ego wasnt through the stratosphere. His foolish and slavish followers built him as a Kalki avatar /Messiah to the world and he started believing his own hype. Alas they created this Frankensteins monster which has now started attacking them.
DeleteJayan Divakaran was one of his most obsequious followers. Now he is his most vociferous critic. But the tragedy is a good plurality just accept the boot given by the captain like a faithful dog. Their psyches will be messed up for a long time unless they get treatment.
further few point must b added here much of the fact that a character called debdoot came to pic in 2019 and end of 2020 he becomes villain few staunch followers such as rajesh maurya, murthy, etc gets sacked suman was being referred becomes queen dildo ,bharatmata,her father was made villain as he was supposed to have m@lsted her when she was young , her family was portrayed as greedy and they were after her money finally as on today she gets sacked, i can add further character like jayanta bhattacharya but it will be long comment
Deleteso much drama is going on the twitter world interesting, is one between grups called trads and rajput/hajputs rajput grup claims adi shankaracharya didnt establish advait mutt on north india also claim he never visited nepal
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If someone doesnt like Adi Shankaracharya, they shouldnt omit his trip to Nepal as that was the only time he was defeated in debate.
Deletewait hahahahahah is this guy for real. He is demanding proof from Nepal government that Adi Shankaracharya visited the region in 400 BC.Since they werent able to produce a copy of his stamped passport or the ancient equivalent, they dismiss the claims on this basis! hahahahahahah . Is this guy serious? Cant be. Has to be a troll
Deletesir , years u had written a blog about historum, indianchan, supermacist rajputs , i suspect he might belong to this grup who are now active on twitter, he even endorsed audery turcskey theory that aurangzeb was not anti hindu and supposed to secular it was propaganda by marathi, people he targets scholars of rss
DeleteSome Rajputs do defend Mughals the same way many Parsees defend the British. Much of the status and wealth they acquired was due to collaboration with Mughals. Aurangzeb accelerated this process as he didnt trust Afghans and sought a suitable replacement.
DeleteHi YSV and guys, been a long time since I visited this blog. I see that yashashvi pratap has become quite famous in the farway corners of blogosphere. The internet has made the world smaller.
DeleteAnyways, since I am neither brahm or rajput so have no stake in their e-fight but I've noticed that yashasvi is not the only rajput who thinks like that. There is a small but vocal section of rajputs on social media who blame congress and thus brahmins as congress was primarily led brahmins (with a handful of kayasthas, khatris, baniyas) for their weakening. They blame congress for abolishing zamindari and land ceiling act which took away the power of the rajputs since rajputs primary influence came from their control on land. They also blame congress for brainwashimg the masses against rajput rulers and zamindars by painting them as excessively oppressive etc in history books. This lot sees VP Singh execution of mandal commission report as sort of a payback since reservation in govt jobs for obcs would have hurt prospects of brahmins, kayasthas etc the most.
Yashasvi and his peers of course, don't like BJP, Hindutva also since BJP/Hindutva tries to obfuscate history by distributimg rajput kings and history to other communities like jats, gujars and even dalit castes like pasis( Recent issue of unveiling Mihir bhoj's statue with incrisprtions of him being a gujjar king by BJP leaders).
Eh.... In the Anglo Hindu laws formed under the British which gave the caste system the shape it has today , Rajputs were considered Shudra by Smartha pundits.
DeleteEven as in the past it was Brahmins who dictated who could be a Rajput and who not.
Live by the Brahmin, die by the Brahmin.
Ironically gujjars, jats and other peasant and pastoral warrior castes became Rajputs thanks to Brahmin rituals. Now after the climbing the ladder Rajputs wanted to kick it off with help of Brahmins particularly after Ghazni and Ghorid invasions even as Jats and Gujjars sacrificed considerably in fighting those invaders.
As we see with Gaga Bhatt and Shivaji where the latter had to donate bullock carts full of gold coins to the former to get his coronation in the traditional manner, the relationship between Rajputs and Brahmins seemed to be similarly mercenary in nature.
Now Rajputs are a shadow of their former self and have no use for Brahmins. So conversely Brahmins have no use for them as well.
*Heck many traditionalists and leftists are united in their opinion that "Hinduism" was concocted during that time.
interstingly engough there are few e lords on twitter who are known trads they are pro imperialist who often try associate to "settpe eurasian gene" / "aryan race" they are seen critiquing society degeneracy to non brahmin grup such as obc , dalits, muslims they often seen deflecting any blame for faliure of nehru policy and colonial rule few tweets an example https://twitter.com/arya_amsha/status/1570443931741196291?s=20&t=iZfPn-f8KC1clIoYFk4Ilg
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kaalchiron advocated the savarkar theory hindus benfited from enlisting in colonial army there by hindus would somehow overthrow colonizers from army revolt he conveniently 1857 such revolt did take place and were crushed by british and he forgets that people like ambdekar ,periyar, arya samaj, etc were instigating dalit class for thier upliftment and thier representation in politics even ysv is not an exection who has also posted a narrative in the blog british rule benfited indians took them away from savagery
Deletetwitter handle called hiranyareta has accurately descirbed e elords such as yashavi pratap ,ahindu,@arya_amsha, @AgentSaffron ,iyer mitra, ysv rao subramanian swamy etc (there are few more but i am limiting here few ) "Nehruvian ghetto Trads" "Sekoolar-Savarnas" here is the thread by him
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point iam trying to make is there were grup who were not happy with independent india who were happy collabrating with colonizers who had fantasy of severing in britsh army canteen ,cleaning untensils of gora masters , origin of this gave rise to jan sangh movement later turned in to rss /bjp who had no freedom fighters expect to rely on savarkar, patel who tried hijack freedom fighters like bahgat singh ,etc as described by "krishnaraj rao in his youtube video title Hindutva bullshit #9: The DIRTY SECRET of Jan Sangh ideology is the wish for BRITISH COLONIAL INDIA https://youtu.be/hCVyTCSnOAs
Deletevery interesting observation are these
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ysv can establish what is going on here are there merits to the argument
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This guy is a tad incoherent and he is not quite alright in the head. However I do agree that Kashmiri Pandits are the architects of their own pathetic standing today.
Deletehis whole argument is that it was not adi shankaracharya but madana mishra who was original advatin philiopsher who had ghost written abve shanakra vijaya story , smarata shivism is a cult creation ,he is also trying to discredit south indians
DeleteMadan Mishra was not a philosopher but he is likely responsible for the rituals ascribed to Adi Shankaracharya. Why would a monk be interested in rituals, temples etc. All these mutts have turned into institutions which was never AS's intention. Hence the corruption and regressive practices they are known for.
Deletethis one is pure gold are someone from twitter capt ka cheerharan kardiya hai in front of public
ReplyDeletehttps://twitter.com/GemsOfInCh/status/1542181647743070209?s=20&t=YQNNI_QAia2LQiCJAevVHg
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ysv sir could also clarify about agniveer scheme is it beneficial for the youth employment?
ReplyDeleteI have no knowledge of this.
Deletei am making my comment here because it is diffcult to find my comments made on earlier article conversation will get, ad hominem comment on my iq aside u did make critical comments on indians ,hindus etc on previous u may not have been direct in saying pro monorach aruguments but in articles u did mention partition was rather good thing, supported so twisted ideas of savarkar , my critique of labelling u as such is due to disappointment on ur defending certain unpopular ideas rather than me being a detractor
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what "monorach" means. Making critical comments on Indians and HIndus is not the same as supporting British imperialism. It is possible to criticize both British and regressive Hindu practices.
DeleteYou keep proving with each subsequent comment that you are really a fool who is unable to discern and discriminate ideas on their own merit.
If I criticize Hindus it means I am pro British: This is the level of your intellect. Kindly dont comment anymore. I dont have the patience and tolerance for indulding stupidity that I used to.
Also learn proper grammar and punctutation. You cant expect people to keep trying to decipher your gibberish. An occasional typo is ok. Heck I make quite a few. But each and every one of your sentences is a verbal abortion. If you have to cry about me behaving like the captain with regard to comment moderation as you did in the follow up posts, at least express yourself like someone who is literate. But knowing your emotional state and sub human level of cognizance you will see this demand as some pro imperialist streak.
DeleteOk, if you are unable to express yourself in English, use Hindi or perhaps Telugu (I hope to god you are not Telugu, we already have enough dumbasses in our community)
stfu kaala angrez my balls are brigther than your black skin
DeleteMy complexion is quite irrelevant to the statements I make. As for being anti angrez , I dont think Yadav is your real name but looking over names of freedom fighters , there is distinct shortage of Yadavs. Of course Yadavas do have a glorious history, leave aside that Yadav websites simply hijack Kuruba dynasties in southern India as Yadav.
DeleteAnd also please stop making ridiculous claims that Jerusalem= Yadualayam .
As I mentioned whether Yadav, Brahmin, Kamma, Reddy ,Rajput, Sikh or what have you , no ones hands are clean when it comes to collaborating with foreign invaders. And there is no shortage of nonsense websites established by various communities making fantastic claims.
by the way u didnt adress few points that i had posted the links of twitter handles
ReplyDeleteI dont bloody have to
Deleteofcourse not because pongas like u dont want to dont the world to knw the status that deccani bamans were servants of Muslim Sultans as long as they ruled and also during angrez times they were clerks serving gora master ,Akbar was Vishnu avtar while he was ruling. Bπahmans also praised the Bengal Sultan as the pure embodiment of Dharma. Bπahmans also said that the rule of Ghiyasuddin Balban was pleasant to God Vishnu & Goddess Lakshmi
DeleteHow many lame avatars wil you come up with? Are you yourself yashavi pratap? Because you are spamming this comments with his crap tweets left and right
DeleteThere was no shortage of Brahmans serving either the Mughals, Bahmanis or even the British. You seem to think I am a Brahmin apologist hahaha. (assuming I am speaking to real person and not yet another pro /anti Brahmin fake avatar from desperate weirdo seeking attention)
It is not your fault you were born stupid but it is certainly your fault that you remain so. A casual perusal of my blog will prove that I have no romantic notions of any castes performance during foreign rule.
We are all covered glory and dirt in equal measure.
it is interesting u mentioned about Jerusalem= Yadualayam kind of wild claims made of certian castes these are not isolated cases even captain himeself assoicates ,many historical figures to thiyyas like queen sheba of ethiopia imotep of egypt etc castes like gujjar, jat, rajputs claim that prithviraj chauhan belonged to thier castes, latest being raja mihirbhoj ,some yadav supermacist claim that they never lost any battles or never corrabrated with mughals or british etc there plenty of such whattasp historians that have been spreading flase history even in youtube channels as well
ReplyDeletealso another intersting obseravation so far is many reformation movements and anti brahman sentiments were lead by brahmans themselves such going to like periyar, mohan roy ,caste conflict narratives in maharastra was led by phule,Arya Samaj was also a product of the protestantization of Hinduism in Bengal and Maharashtra. They took heavily from Brahmo Samaj and Prarthana Samaj then many sub castes such as Gurjjara a demonym for the modern region of East Gujarat and Southern Rajasthan, it has never been used for the the pastoral community of Gujjars.This association is a Reformist/Hindutvavadi Shuddhi oriented Revisionism for Vote Bank Politics,during congress era
ReplyDeletePeriyar was not Brahmin but a Telugu Balija by way of Karnataka who was in TN for generations. But I see your point. His community was considered "brahmanical" as it was rather religious if not orthodox.
Deletei forgot to add earlier justice party movement was funded by mylapore brahamans
Deletefew have speculated that brahman caste is similar to juice, also they are Bolshevik in nature post 1947 era new polticial equation dalit-sharia-brahamns were created from cow belt ,also The sole reason for the rss gripe against Nehrus is that the Nehrus, the Kashmiri Bolshevik Brahmins took from them the Congress which the Marathi Bolshevik Brahmins like Tilak created.
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The reason that Jews and Brahmins were overrepresented in reform movements and even destructive ideologies masquerading as social justice is simple- they were more educated than the average person. Universities since the late 1800s were dominated by all sorts of materialist ideologies . Not the least of which were communism ,socialism and of course fascism. The reason that the British encouraged Indian elites to study in British universities as there was a good chance that they would either be Anglophiles or communist revolutionaries . Obviously they had no issue with the former ,as for the latter, communists by their very nature are "anti national" as in they are hostile to the idea of the nation state. Hence they would be useful idiots(to borrow a Lenin term) for the imperialist cause.
DeleteOf course some like Savarkar and Bose slip through the cracks.
Kashmiri Brahmins themselves are politically pliant. Nehru was more of a UP than Kashmiri Brahmin. And hence like many UP elites spawned by decadent courts as depicted in Satyajit Ray's Shatranj Ke Khiladi, dont really have the backbone to stand up for anything.
Marathi Brahmins apart from the stray phule are still right leaning. And no Tilak didnt create Chitpavans haha. Though likely Chitpavans were not a Brahmin caste but cooked up some puranas to show the same.
APart from Marathi Brahmins, even today the highest number of athiests in any Indian community ,from my anecdotal experience, are in Tamil, Bengali ,Telugu(Niyogi) or UP Brahmins. Sometimes they stray into leftism on account of this ideology or like Savarkar they remain right leaning viewing Hinduism as a cultural and national heritage to be safeguarded but not beyond that.
If anything the middle castes in most parts of India tend to be far more religious going by percentages. Again this is my anecdotal evidence but do look at the names of communist professors, secularists in Bollywood, columnists etc. It is reading a list of residents in an agraham.
i dont think they are overrepresented even if we were to go back to days of chanakya where he created a new royal lineage out of a obc/sc community and challenged the exisisting kings ,even purans mention parashurama wiping out all kshatriya lineage and creating new one from brahmins ,western education made brahmins import communism, feminist ideas today many left libreals coming from this community than joining right wing movement
DeleteChanakyas role is exagerrated by Brahmin historians. It is doubtful that such an individual existed during CGM's time (who is the OBc you refer to I assume) Megasthense and other Greek historians of the era never mention him.
Delete.As for Parasuram , it appears it was inverse scenario. The earlierst mention of Parasuram is associated with Gudimallam shrine in Andhra who was a tribal hunter who wished to create his own society and took Brahmins from AP to Kerala who are the Nambuthiris of today . And later foreigners arriving from the sea and from the north along the west coast used this story to gain respectability as Brahmins or non Kshatriya warrior groups (no Kshatriays in south India) SInce this fact was painful for Brahmins to digest, he had been turned into a Brahmin which frankly makes the entire Parasuram story somewhat nonsensical.
He likely came from a mixed Dravidian/tribal matriarchal society (probably the proginetors of Nairs) hence the worship of Renuka/Yellama cults across the region.
chanakya did create royal linegae out of maurya tribe ie gupta empire, lately i have seen people cancelling parashuram for diffrent reasons due lack of Archaeological Evidence etc, rajput handles also try to cancel for obvious reasons ,however mention of parashuram comes in ramayana and mahabharata he is also considered as part of dashaavatar sytem ,it is interesting that u say he may b later interpolation of Gudimallam shrine in Andhra i have not heard about it , captian himeself had glorified role of parashuram and namboodri in his blogs he will not accept that parashuram is considered as fictional story by few
Deleteanother intresting observation to b noted 2022 is coming to end and Despite being a Scientist and a Muslim, A.P.J. Abdul Kalam got infected by sanghi virus and came up with the comical concept of "Superpower 2020".now our “Vishwaguru" has lost its plot and completly got derailed by economic vows unemployment etc
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I think Abdul Kalam was more Hindu than Muslim. And being around defense types his whole life, many of whom are right leaning, such ideologies rubbed off on him.
Deleteits also begs deeper introspection as well , since vedic hindusim is almost exitnct what we now today as hinduism is product of many reformations, is it even worth saving what is left? also if we follow tangent of hindutva then u we seen what relgious states like pak afghan have become india under modi is also seem to going in that direction
DeleteIt is not really dead but lives in on different forms. Vedic rituals were transformed since Shankaracharyas time to honor non Vedic or hybrid gods.
DeleteThe problem is that the Brahmins required to do the original rituals are few and far between and there is no more royal patronage of the same.
Anyhow the Vedic ritualist faith had been doddering along even before Buddhas time when he gave it the death blow. Since then it has been a shadow of its former self.
RSS Modi etc want to create a Hinduism where Bharatmata is the supreme diety and Hindi is the sacred language. It is hard to see majority of Hindus faling in line for this.
last but not least i dont wherther i posted in last comment , but still interesting observations
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Would you cut it out with this yashavi pratap crap tweets. I am placing a temporary ban on any comment that features such content.
Deleteysv can you ellobrate on castes which were declared criminal castes /thuggies ,was it a propaganda or did they deserve such reputation?
ReplyDeleteDepends on the community. Thuggees for instance were a nuisance to Indians as well. But they werent a community as per se as admittance wasnt even restircted to religion ,,never mind ethnic group.
DeleteProblem is that whenever a warrior community loses its political patronage , it resorts to banditry . Now Maravars were thorn on the side of the British for instance as poligars but they were also bandits . Heck the British used Maravars and Kallars as bounty hunters to catch English deserters from the company armies.
Kallars had the audacity to harass and rob militaries on martch of the ruling powers be they Sultans, Nayaks or the British. The British were too happy to demartialize them and claim that they were doing this for the sake of the general population.
Kallars Maravars are the majar vote bank 4 aiadmk, perphaps its true that loss of political patronage may had an effect but same cannot said for other martial castes as well like ahirs, jats, , gujjars, Saini Samaj, Patidar Samaj, kapus, vellars kumaon, gurkhas etc
DeleteOf these communities only Gujjars were considered a criminal tribe. I was speaking only i that context. Jats were considered Shudra. Ahirs were gradually accepted as western branch of Yadavs
DeleteYou mentioned that there was an ancient civilization in India and that ramayana and Mahabharata give us clues about it. Can you tell us more about this.
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