Fundamental defects in the Pakistani soul



I was watching the rather acerbic take on Pakistani diplomats by Gravitas News on YouTube.  It seems most are involved in scam or another , usually defrauding the host country or even fleecing their own. So much so that at one point the U.S State Department prevented Pakistani representatives from travelling unescorted. There was also a video of a Pakistani diplomat stealing the wallet of  his Kuwaiti counterpart which was lying on  table.

I was also amazed by the footage of Imran Khan personally chauferring the rulers of Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Generally such level of prostrating and self inflicting humiliation on part of rulers is reserved for religious figures or older revered people. And this expected to some degree and appreciated by the public. The Raja of Ramnad who sponsored Swami Vivekananda's trip to America, personally pulled the ceremonial chariot carrying Vivekananda instead of the bullocks.  Of course there are also those kings who actually offered their wives to sages so they would impregnate them. In America, many Catholic politicians often prostrate and kiss the hand of the visiting Pope. This alarms Protestants , evangelicals in particular, so much so that when John F Kennedy was running for President he had to verbally assure various Protestant heads that he would be loyal not to the Pope but the Constitution.

But a head of state becoming a chauffer to a visiting foreign counterpart is bizarre. Of course again this is context specific. If this was Norway, where the king rides around the capital in a bycicle and drives his own car without a chauffer, it would not raise any eyebrows if he personally drove a foreign dignitary. As this is expected in a very egalitarian society such as theirs.
Neither Pakistan, Qatar not KSA are egalitarian in any meaningful sense of the term. And Pakistanis (and Indian) comprise the bulk of the working class population . Therefore the PM of Pakistan offering himself in a servile position only highlights the subservient nature of the Pakistani state.

A lot of this has to do with the Pakistani identity crisis which in turn is the result of their history which is really one of total subjugation from the Persians around 400 B.C to the Macedonians, Indo Greeks, Scythians, Huns,Arabs, followed by a sucession of Turks from Ghaznavids to Moghuls finished off by the British Raj. This is a country which did not see a son of its soil lead it for about 2500 years. Hence they have developed a sort of Stockholm Syndrome with regard to these countries.
Pakistanis grovel over Arabs, Turks and Persians in particular . While they have almost surrendered themselves to the good graces of China. Not a lot of Khans ,Butts or Ismails on the Board of the Pakistani Stock Exchange but there is no shortage of Jiangs, Lees, Chengs.

For a while I believed Pakistani propaganda(mostly because it was filtered through fake accounts and profilse pretending to be other nationalities) that Turks loves Pakistani food and culture and Arab admire Pakistani military might or that Persians view Pakistanis as continuing their heritage. None of these are accurate. Turks in general are blissfully unaware of Pakistan. Pakistanis indeed are recruited in Bahrain and Yemen but apart from the talented combat pilots(Pakistani pilots and Special Forces are most likely better than Indian's) they are mostly cannon fodder . It is bizarre that a country offers its soldiers to another to fight its wars.  Persians view Pakistanis as somewhat downmarket and riff raff due to their negative experience with Pakistani merchants. Much less view them as literary and aesthetic sophisticates.

This is another aspect of Pakistanis that is so bizarre- their pathological instinct to lie and commit fraud. They lie even when they dont need to. They lie even when the truth will serve them better.
They have a tendency to love bomb- if you meet a Pakistani, specifically Punjabi- they will turn the charm to a 100 even as they just met you. Complimenting you in a myriad of ways. I was  immunized to this lot from junior high school when I interacted with Dubai. So I was safe but a lot of people were not and easily fell for their scams and deceits.

Indians too can be ingratiating ,often in a servile manner but it is usually due to a genuine effort to please and impress foreigners. Not to scam them. Of course such people do exist in India but such behavior is not considered acceptable. In Pakistani culture, it is de riguer.

Apart from this, they have constant need to be bailed out by various countries. Of course those who do bail them out such as UAE are quickly stabbed in the back for countries such as Turkey which did little for Pakistan. UAE helps and continues to help Pakistan to the tune of billions of $ but Pakistan supported Istanbul for Expo2020 rather than Dubai. Perhaps this is because it saw Turkey was the new emerging economic superpower (or it seemed at the time in 2013). This is the problem with servile,amoral people with no identity- they possess neither gratitude, self respect or loyalty. As a result their only identity is that they anti India-an itself comical notion since India itself is a new identity whose current form is based alternately on Garibaldiesque athiest Hindutva or national Nehruvian secularism. Both of which are ultimately alien to Indic civilization.

While a Pakistani identity does exist and admittedly makes more sense than the India identity- Pakistan is comprised of one dominant religion and a few ethnic groups most of whom are inter related to a degree- it is still fragile and easily collapses since it is a hollow shell lacking only a rudimentary instinct for self assertion. And it wastes in its covert and proxy wars against India which only further highlights it lack of character.

I dont believe that Pakistani Hindus are any better than Muslims in this regard. As my previous post showed these particular are dominant in Bollywood and the military- the sorry results are there for all to see.

Karna said this to Salya about then Pakistanis of that era- Madras, Saindhavas



There are no good feelings in a Madraka. He is inferior in words and is the worst among men. A Madraka is always inferior in his soul. He always lies and is never straight. We have heard it said that wickedness exists among Madrakas.

We have heard it said that wickedness exists among Madrakas. Fathers, mothers, sons, mothers-in-law, fathers-in-law, maternal uncles, sons-in-law, daughters, brothers, grandsons, kin, friends, others who have arrived, male servants and female servants mingle together. Noble women, according to their own wishes, mingle with men, known and unknown. In their homes, even the better ones always eat coarse grain and other undesirable food. They drink liquor, 384 eat the flesh of cows and dance and laugh.


If asked for collyrium, a Madraka woman scratches her buttocks and unwilling to give it, speaks these terrible words. “No. I will not give any collyrium. I would rather give my beloved instead. On every occasion, I will give up my son. But I will not give the collyrium.”


That is what is generally heard. I, and others, are capable of recounting many such things about them, from the ends of their hair to the tips of their toes. How can the Madrakas and the Sindhu-Souviras know about dharma? They have been born in a wicked country.


The comments about liquor and beef  and women laughing(??) are probably inserted by Gupta era conservative editors.
We have Karna considers Madra and Saindhava( Western Punjabis and Sindhis) to be liars and frauds and women to be promiscuous. (I have left out the latter aspect out of politeness more than anything else)

How much has changed really?

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  1. Hey ysv stop using hard words like acerbic. I don't know what it means it breaks my flow. Use very basic simple words and make your blogs short I don't like reading one thing for too long.
    Greetings from indiachan.

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    1. hahaha. ok mr. smartypants.

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    2. I want to comment on my own experience with Pakistani love bombing. When I was doing my masters in Germany, Pakistanis there were extremely affectionate towards Indians like me. One even went so far as to get my phone number and bombard me with messages everyday even though my only interaction with him was in a bicycle shop for a few minutes.

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    3. Did you percieve any vested agenda? Quite a few Pakistani gays came on to me oretty strongly as well. Wanted me as a sub when I was an adoloscent , a dom when I got hairier in the chest and face. Either way no thank,dont quite swing that way . But I think thats a gay thing than a Pakistani thing.
      I see where Premchand picked up his environmentalist ideals. Germans take that stuff very seriously. Im told its a serious faux pas not to separate your recyclables and organic waste.But even they had enough of Greta Thunberg.

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    4. @ysv

      I was approached by gay guys on other occasions. Seeing men and women jogging on the streets wearing only shorts, i decided to try that myself only to attract some "interested" people.

      But I don't think in this case the guy was gay since I was well dressed on that occasion. It was clearly an example of punjabi Pakistani over- friendliness

      On another occasion, a Pakistani classmate of mine praised south Indians to the skies claiming we were sharif log, well educated intelligent etc.

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    5. For some reason many Pakistanis think south Indians in general think very highly of them and are obsessed with them. I dont know where they got this notion. They even go as far as to claim that they wish to connect their culture to Pakistan. Apart from the tenuous connections to the IVC which is located in todays Pakistan, there is not much about this that makes any sense. I think it is probably because Punjabi culture via Bollywood and Bhangra predominates popular culture in India and Punjabi looks and appearance are considered the standard template for attractiveness and hence extrapolating that Pakistan being more Punjabi would be considered more desirable.
      Hence in their minds it seems that by them complimenting south Indians would make the latter more pliable and easy to manipulate to the perceived difference in social capital.

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    6. Generally when any person randomly starts complimenting my ethnicity whether a non Telugu Indian complimenting Telugus or a foreigner complimenting Indians , I have tendency to flee as by default I suspect an agenda of some sort.

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    7. I think Pakistanis got this idea because there are a few idiots like this loser in Tamil Nadu:
      https://twitter.com/search?q=from%3A%40deepsealioness%20Pakistani&src=typed_query

      Of course, barring a handful of idiots, nobody in Tamil Nadu cares too much for them because they know well what they are up to. If anything, they see them as the Muslim cousins of North Indians! They just take it in one ear and dump it through the other. Maybe they do not beat their chests in opposition like people in north and west India do, but that does not mean they are pliable.

      Guess who gets all lovey dovey when Pakistanis praise Bollywood? Certainly not Tamils or South Indians.
      LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

      But one thing must be said: BJP and their supporters in north and west India are making it hard for everyone with their cultural, linguistic and political jingoism.
      https://rajbhasha.gov.in/sites/default/files/annual_programme2020-21_1.pdf

      BJP are alienating everyone left and right. They are giving way too much space for every enemy of India to play around. Not a very intelligent strategy, if you ask me.

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    8. Germany and Denmark have gone insane in their quest for environmentalism.

      Who has time to separate organic waste and recyclable materials? Why recycle materials anyway? They become less and less usable each time and recycling costs a lot. Paper is a good example. Buy new paper instead of recycling old ones. Same can be said for all kinds of bags.

      Sadly in our era, virtue signaling has taken precedence over reality and even commonsense.

      I read somewhere but it is true: Renewable energy is basically running houses and industries on gasoline and diesel (through windmills and solar panels), and running cars on electricity.

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    9. But in all seriousness, I thought Australia was better than Europe in the energy sector. Sadly Australia is also going broke thanks to renewable energy that has resulted in skyrocketing electricity bills and Third World power supply especially in South Australia.

      Not just Germans, almost everybody is irritated by Greta Thunberg. They are sick and tired of her virtue signaling and constant badgering. See her recent tweet:
      https://twitter.com/GretaThunberg/status/1268858948020469760

      When the whole world is being smashed by political forces in the name of fighting coronavirus, this clown continues her badgering. I used to feel sorry for her because she suffers from autism. But now it is getting very irritating.

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    10. Ysv& premchand

      Reading Ur experiences I feel inclined to believe that male homosexuality has some deep links to Islamic societies ,particularly those stretching from northwest frontier of India to central Asia. Even in India ,where homosexuality cases are otherwise not frequent ,I have seen Muslim names somewhat disproportionately represented in gay rape cases that come on media. Is there something in the rigid Muslim upbringing that brings in homosexuality in them ? Or is it a genetic trait of these societies&ethnic cultures , independent of anything 'islamic' ?
      Also not a worthy point ,but our capt used to praise Muslim men physiques&looks in his blog ,wonder what his trust with homosexuality has been in his sailor life :P some of his own comments showed clear homoerotic tendencies ,that thing cannot be overlooked by any normal mature reader .

      Ysv one more question I would love to ask u _/\_ this is somewhat unrelated to the main post ,but where do u feel Indian economy is going wrong ? It seems demand side is going negative .

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    11. Robert Burton ,the famous British traveller and writer who translated Kamasutra into English, wrote that Afghanistan, Sindh and Punjab were saturated with the "Persian vice" i.e homosexuality . Though I think he misunderstood the pederasty prevalent in the region as homosexuality. It was similar to the ancient Greek custom where a man who assumed the male role in a same sex coupling is not considered gay or effeminate. Even as he is married to a woman and consummated it with children.

      Indian economy was going south since 2014, I have no idea why Modi is in his infinte wisdom will not allow Indians to enjoy low oil prices which would spur consumer spending and industrial growth.
      PRetty much every economic decision he has taken is wrong. It would take a 1991 style radical reforms to get the economy going again.

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    12. Babur, Qutubudin Aibak, Mahmoud Ghazni, Alauddin Khilji, Malik Kafur(Khiljis lover) and other Muslim rulers whose names escape were either exculsively homosexual or bisexual. They openly wrote poems expressing their erotic desire for boys. Ghazni even had a pornographic portait comissioned of him penetrating some young boy for whom he promised to "wipe the dust of his feet with his(Ghaznis) eyelashes"

      The pederast tendencies of Pathans are known to this day.

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    13. @I suppose some of this pederasty seeped into Persian/Afghan society following the Alexandrian conquests. This explains why an Islamic society would accept male-male sexuality despite Islam explicitly forbidding it.

      While the Taliban couldn't put an end to this in Afghanistan, homosexuality remains a criminal offense in Iran - in some cases even teenagers are hanged publicly for this. Meanwhile Israel is the most gay-friendly country in the Middle East even as Judaism is the source of homophobia in Abrahamic religions.

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    14. Actually suppression of the vital tendencies with explicit religiosity can backfire in the form of a deviant cultural matrix . Thus homosexuality being a popular thing despite strict Islamic ban on it . Infact not just the vital aspects,sometimes even the more abstract cultural norms tend to backfire,Bengal and Kerala being two precise examples ,both these states got burnt out with casteist and societal rigidity ,thus both these populations tend to welcome more of modern&postmodern openness ,sometimes to their own detriment I am afraid.

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    15. Homosexuality was prevalent through out the Middle East and Mediterranean regions. It seemed to have stopped at the borders of India for whatever reason. There does not seem to much discussion of homosexuality in ancient and pre Islamic medieval texts. And the authors were not prudes in these matters-they discuss incest, necrophilia, sex with handicapped people, even bestiality, the latter is shown even in some temple sculptures. The only refrence I am aware of is in the Kamasutra where men use eunuchs for oral sex. But I am not sure sex with eunuchs qualify as homosexuality.
      Arthashastra forbids women from "deflowering" other women but that is about it.
      We can surmise that it wasnt as common in India as it was in Near Eastern and Central Asian civilizations.

      re Bengal and Kerala
      Yes, Bengal was once notorious for Sati ,however these days the Bengali woman is a byword for assertiveness and liberation.While the once highly casteist Kerala(referred to as a lunatic asylum by Swami Vivekananda) is quite egalitarian.

      However I dont think repression is the dynamic with regard to this issue. These peoples genuinely like such relationships. Tomorrow if Pushtun society becomes quite liberated, then I am not sure this will go underground but will actually thrive.

      @Premchand
      Israel was founded by Westernized often secular athiest Zionists with a mindset similar to Savarkar. They incorporated a few Jewish customs in the body politic to placate the religious right such as Shabbath and observance of Holidays. But generally Jewish Law takes precedence only with regard private individual matters such as birth, marriage, divorce and death.

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  2. /If asked for collyrium, a Madraka woman scratches her buttocks and unwilling to give it, speaks these terrible words. “No. I will not give any collyrium. I would rather give my beloved instead. On every occasion, I will give up my son. But I will not give the collyrium.”/

    LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

    I just imagined Mehr Tarar scratching her butt.

    Jokes aside, is it totally impossible for the people of any particular place to change their course of destiny? Like, you asked whether anything has changed since the Mahabharat. Do you mean that if a place and/or a people are cursed, they are cursed forever?

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  3. And it seems the Chinese have snatched land in the Ladakh and the Indian govt is yet to respond meaningfully on that front.

    Is a war with China on the cards soon?

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    1. Stereotypes and behaviors change over the years. But it takes considerable trauma for that to happen. Before the Christian aggression in Northern Europe and the destruction of various Germanic groves, the average Viking was a humble turnip farmer or fishermen who was dominated by his impressive wife (this is the basis for the comic Hagar the Horrible being terrified of Helga haha) . These acts of Christians filled them with horror and their survival instincts went into overdrive. Most imperialist aggressions including British begin with self defense.
      Of course as the need subsides they revert back to their form. I often get annoyed that Americans mock German for being very warlike due to the post Bismarckian era till 1945. But WWII has so thoroughly burnt out the mettle out the German soul that they wish to consider themselves champions of international diplomacy and openness. Hence gentlemen such as Mohd Atta studying urban architecture (hahaha) was given free tuition in Hamburg. But even in the 19th century and before there were many Germanic traditions of pacifism of which Amish/Mennonites are one example. Ironically Eisenhower who went on to destroy Germany was brought up in such a pacifist family in Texas whose parents could speak little English.
      We dont know too much about Punjabis and Sindhis in the intervening years but Bharatiya peoples opinio of them was negative as well as those of foreigners- "they prefer to quarrel than fight and eat rather than quarrel" noted one Arab observer. Hsuein Tsang and Fa Hein said similar things.

      They did however perform admirably against Alexander. And the Ghakkars were a constant thorn for Turks. Jats were martialized much later. The only people worth a damn in Pakistan are the Baloch, Brahui and to an extant- Jats. I dont think many Indians realize how free spiritied Pakistani movies used to be until the 1980s . People having sex, actresses in bikinis, consumption of booze and drugs even by the main protagonist. Islam was often mentioned in passing, considered useful for marriages, births and funerals but much else.

      Of course Zia Ul Haque changed all that just as Hosni Mubarak did in Egypt(by proxy) and Wahhabism did in Saudi(many Bedouin women would walk topless prior to the Islamist revival).

      Whatever occurred in the past 2500 years, I believe Karna had their number back then and that personality holds even today.

      Some commentators dismiss this as trash talk as Salya had previously insulted the Kurus and Karna was just paying him back in the same coin. Likely there was exagerration on his part but it was the exagerration of the truth.

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    2. I doubt there will be any significant military action. Both countries are woefully unprepared for it.

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    3. Sir, are you sure China is unprepared for war?

      Last time I checked, they had all kinds of weapons and even hypersonic missiles which are better than America's. They also have Pakistan, Sri Lanka and now Nepal as their puppets to fight against India.

      I do not understand how China is unprepared for military confrontation.

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    4. China's economy is nearly in tatters as its international reputation and good will. It is barely managing to hold on to Hong Kong and the outrage over Uyghurs conditions is growing by the day.
      Their claims of having weapons better than Americas are not something I take too seriously.
      The morale at the PRC is likely not very high. I doubt a war with India with very little upside is something they are enthuastic about.

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    5. But did not China overrule Hong Kong's autonomy recently and absorb it? The outrage over Uighurs is one aspect. China's debt-trap diplomacy is gaining notoriety in Africa. John Magufuli, Tanzanian President, scrapped a $10 billion loan from China, saying only a drunkard (slyly referring to Kenya's President) would accept the terms laid by China.

      I asked because China is harassing Southeast Asia by capturing their boats in the South China Sea. I was wondering if they were planning to invade India. Thank you for clarifying.

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    6. Yes China ended the one government ,two systems or whatever other Orwellian term it created to please the pliant Western media. But at what cost? Hong Kong people never cared for China. All the Hong Kong people Ive met view the Chinese mainlanders as borderline subhuman . And they are embarassed to be associated with them. In HK propaganda, they are portrayed as locusts. Steven Bannon , one time advisor to Trump, took the unprecedented step of involving Chinese dissidents in U.S for creating a government in exile thereby taking one bold step towards squashing the current regime. Bannon is a guy not given to threatrics as you can see from his interviews. Hence there is a long term agenda behind it.
      Good for the Tanzanian president as he seems to have self respect and long term vision for his country. Which is more than one can say for Pakistani politicians.

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    7. "One Nation, Two Constitutions" was the term coined by Beijing when referring to Hong Kong.

      Wow, I knew the people of Hong Kong had contempt for the Chinese, but even I am shocked at the contempt they really have for them! But then who can blame them, this is what Chinese tourists do wherever they go.
      https://thenewdaily.com.au/life/travel/2019/10/25/chinese-tourists/
      https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/04/479765/whatve-you-dung-chinese-tourist-defecates-port-dickson-beach-netizens
      https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30384494

      But is not Steve Bannon a racist? I am told he is a White supremacist who abhors all non-Whites in America including Indians and does not want them there?

      And how would that dissident Chinese govt in exile help squash the CCP at Beijing? The Laos govt in exile has been there for decades. The Iranian govt in exile has been there for decades. Heck even the Eelam govt in exile has been existing for awhile. Nothing happened. How would it be different in China's case?

      As for Pakistani politicians, well self-respect is not something they even know the meaning of. This is not surprising at all.

      The Tanzanian President was cheered on by everybody in Africa. It seems Africans are waking up to the downsides of Chinese imperialism through investments.

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  4. Sir,

    What do you think about the George Floyd case and the violent riots that have followed since? Are Antifa really a prominent organization (overground or underground) in America?

    Thank you.

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    1. The George Floyd killing was a very bizarre scenario. You have the white cop who is obviously using excessive force on a black suspect where it was clear that there was a danger of death due to that position. And yet he was staring into the camera and laughing it up with his colleagues. Generally any white cop is rather paranoid when dealing with a black suspect when he is being filmed. But this dude has no qualms whatsoever. Something about this doesnt add up.
      White upper classAntifa has hijacked peaceful protests by blacks in order to create mayhem and destruction. Even Black Lives Matter has a white leftist founder and is funded mostly by whites. previous polls show that 41% of black men support Trump. The Democrats and their allies in the deep state cant have that. If that sounds paranoid, consider that most Democrat governors and mayors actively oppose ending the riots to the extant of insisting the police not arrest any rioters. You have videos of them watchin the looting and doing nothing as they looters flee. Trumps own Sec Def Mark Esper opposed Trumps plan of deploying the military to restore order. And took the unprecedented action of having a press conference to reiterate his point. Hence it is not inconceivable that antifa at this point is supported by renegade sections of the CIA and FBI who opposed Trump from the very beginning.

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    2. Wow, in other words, the mainstream media in America is lying through its teeth and vested interests linked to Democrats are wreaking havoc in American cities and states where Democrats are in charge.

      What really perplexes me though is how much Antifa and its backers are willing to burn America down just so they can stop Trump from winning again. The media especially has been very devious.

      Just because they hate Trump and cannot win fair and square, does that mean Democrats will destroy America? Like, if I cannot win, I will burn it all down to the ground? Is this how vile they are?

      And the ones who suffered the most due to the riots have been minority groups. What a cowering shame.

      And what will they achieve by having Joe Biden at the helm? That man cannot speak anything properly.

      "I am Joe Biden and I am running for the United States Senate."
      "On the Paris Climate Accord, I spoke with Chinese leader Deng Xiaoping..."
      "Poor kids are just as intelligent and talented as White kids."

      Is this the kind of man they want at the helm? And why? Are they funded by China?

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    3. I have read somewhere that floyd and guy accused of killing him, Chauvin, worked at the same restaurant/nightclub as bodyguards. They probably even know each other .
      Btw, YSV, is it common in USA to call cops when someone is trying to pass a fake note/bill ?

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    4. I have heard this but am not sure. Over the last few years, the narrative has become so muddled (by the usual suspects) that it is hard to know the truth from fiction.
      It could be possible. This cop was charged with various offenses but was not fired by the mostly Democrats running the city council over the last 20 years or so.
      Now George Floyd was a career criminal in the past and his crimes involved robbing a pregnant woman. Since his incarceration, he claimed to have found faith and was dedicated to a local minisitry. Atleast thats what the narrative claims, you can be sure if there were any subsequent crimes they are actively expunged by the Minneapolis DA from the record.
      Counterfeit currency is a very big deal in U.S as the Secret Service is in charge of the mint. It is therefore considered a national security threat when the currency circulated is in large amounts. Hence the paranoia about a fake $20 bill. It is quite possible that Floyd unwittingly recieved this fake currency from someone and then proceeded to purchase something. However if the store clerk calls the police over fake currency, the police generally takes into consideration that this particular individual may not be himself responsible for it. But then again since he has a criminal background they reacted this way or because he was behaving erratically and threatening the clerk. Who knows? No one will tell us because he is now pretty much a saint and BLM the new religion with even police officers kneeling to this mob and washing the feet of its founders.

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    5. In other words, we will never know the truth behind the George Floyd case. And this is in the United States of America, which is considered a free country. What a travesty.

      If this is the state of affairs in a free country, I shudder to think what the situation is like in countries like Russia, China, North Korea, Laos, Eritrea, Zimbabwe, etc., which are secretive police states.

      The American media happens to be the world's biggest purveyor of fake news. No wonder Trump is pissed and regularly slams them.

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  5. /I dont believe that Pakistani Hindus are any better than Muslims in this regard. As my previous post showed these particular are dominant in Bollywood and the military- the sorry results are there for all to see./

    I want to ask you something: Would India be better off creating and relying on its own private military contractors (PMCs) like Russia relies on Wagner Group and the USA Blackwater aka Akademi?

    Like, would it be better for India to hire foreign mercenaries from places like Africa, Latin America, Southeast Asia (Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Myanmar, etc.) and the Pacific for its military ends via PMCs?

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    1. Having worked for a security contractor(which was since absorbed by Academi) doing government projects in Iraq , I can say that at best they are a mixed blessing. I think their main function should ancilliary security and reducing the logistics train for nation state militaries.
      However there is scope for tremendous corruption and inflating expenses which was not so much of an issue with my company- one of my tasks was to track spending for my cost center- Dubai/Baghdad/ Kurdistan/Tel Aviv/ Washington DC/- to the last dollar and I wold get an unpleasant phone call in the earlier months if they perceived that about $50 were off (I preferred to include them in next month since they were at the month end and I did the books a day or two before).

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    2. The main problem with Indian military is outdated equipment and training. This is due to corrupt procurers, generals and overall culture of complacency fostered by a public who think very highly of their military. Indians seems to remain a people who learn the hard way. Nothing less than a serious military defeat can wake them in this regard.

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    3. Sir, please don't mind me asking you: Are you an Indian military veteran, by any chance? You seem to know a lot about how armies work.

      I was aware that India's armed forces have outdated equipment and are not trained adequately. I was just wondering if they could instead outsource the latest and best military equipment and training to foreign mercenaries. But yes, I did not realize that India's military needs to be up to date first. PMCs are only effective if the main military is good enough which is sadly not India's case.

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    4. hahaha No. I never served in the military. But I am familiar with many military men (and women) from various countries and with their culture and tactics. And hence I dont hold them in awe like many people do apart from some elite troops such as Special FOrces of UK, France, U.S, Israel, Guatemala, Jordan and Russia. As I mentioned before Indian special forces dont make the cut.
      A funny thing about Indian nationalists who crow about their military is that they know so incredibly little. When I mention Indian special forces are lacking, they talk about India have one of the largest armies in the world, its air force(not very good either, but never mind for now) , navy and nuclear capability. What does any of this have to do with special forces capability? Either these people dont know what they are talking about or they simply dont listen - they are just a collection of responses lacking any critical thinking or inner monologue.

      There is enough corruption in India's military procurement culture without adding PMCs into the mix. DUring the Iraq war, Halliburton was notorious for vastly inflating its time sheets so that truck drivers who drove 2 hours-say from Baghdad to Ramadi Base would log in for 8 hours . Keep in mind these guys were making about $40 to $80 per hour. In more dangerous areas, much more.
      this is what happens when due diligence is paid to look the other way at both ends.

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    5. Indian nationalists, secular or Hindutva, got only one thing right: India's military is the 4th largest in the world, behind the USA, China and Russia. Apart from that, India's military is seriously lacking and a lot needs to improve there. The less said about the navy and the air force, the better. India's special forces are really poor. Maoists like you say are not bogged down at all. They just recede temporarily and come back and strike when the time is ripe. Their warfare is of a different sort.

      Trying to convince them that India's armed forces are not good enough will invite ridicule and contempt, not to mention screams of "anti-national", "commie", "urban naxal", "tukde tukde gang", etc., sometimes.

      I do not know how the Indian govt is going to improve the armed forces. By unifying the air force, navy and army under CDS Bipin Rawat, I feel they are doing a mistake. India could end up like Haiti where coups regularly happened and governments were ousted.

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    6. What about their mountain wafare capabilities? Taking Siachen was no mean task.

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    7. On a side note, I am desperately trying to get into the US Marines/Army, but they told me I need a Green Card. I gotta get an American wife now lol

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    8. "What about their mountain wafare capabilities? Taking Siachen was no mean task."

      Yes it is a physically arduous task. however I never dismissed the rigorous training and physical capabilities of the troops. The Indian army won many endurance competitions beating out U.S, China and others.

      It is projection of power ,both large scale and small scale that they are unable to accomplish.


      "On a side note, I am desperately trying to get into the US Marines/Army, but they told me I need a Green Card. I gotta get an American wife now lol"

      First of all, decide clearly whether it is the army or the marines. They are completely different branches with their unique mindsets. Marines are a purely an offensive force unlike the Army. Hence their training is far more rigorous and you have to consider if you psychologically have what it takes. The physical aspect is really not that much of a big deal. A high school athlete can crack it.

      There are ways to bypass the green card issue. This was the case when I was considering it but I didnt have the motivation to jump through the hoops to get in. I dont know that is still available.

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    9. The Marine Corps basic training is for 13 weeks. Most Marines are dumb as shit. They are trained to be dumb as shit so that they go on the offensive no matter what. As a Masters degree holder in Computer Science, the only downside to me being a Rifleman grunt is that my talents would never be fully utilized. The company of dumber than shit Marines might grind me down too. They do have a Cybersec division that would let me go into the field, get all the weapons training I want, and still use my head from time to time. I think that might be best for me.

      I've heard Army is more tactically sound, and does most of the actual fighting and peacekeeping. The Marines talk a lot and are venerated in popular culture, but I've met so many who couldn't last 5 minutes in a bar fight

      The MAVNI program has been discontinued.

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    11. "The Marine Corps basic training is for 13 weeks. Most Marines are dumb as shit. They are trained to be dumb as shit so that they go on the offensive no matter what. As a Masters degree holder in Computer Science, the only downside to me being a Rifleman grunt is that my talents would never be fully utilized. The company of dumber than shit Marines might grind me down too. They do have a Cybersec division that would let me go into the field, get all the weapons training I want, and still use my head from time to time. I think that might be best for me."

      If you have so much contempt for the armed forces and such high regard for yourself then refrain from joining the military please. You dont sound much different from a leftist in this regard.
      I know many Marines, even if they are not formally educated they are quite intellectually curious and street smart. They are a jack of all trades even as they lack specialization.

      Seriously with your attitude just avoid the military. Your types have wrecked the military already with your elitism and pencil pushing attitude.
      Get a desk job with glorious comp sci degree, get a wifu via arranged marriage from the motherland who doesnt know any better. House, 2.5 kids . Enjoy. Done.

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    12. I never badmouthed the entire US Armed forces , just the IQ of the average Marine. It is no secret that the US Armed forces draw primarily from the Poor White demographic of the American South. Exactly what are the intellectual achievements of this group? Even a third world shithole like India has close to 10 Nobel Prizes in the hard sciences. What do your "jack of all trades, street smart , intellectualy curious" Marines have to show for it? Sure they might be able to fix your car but is that really THAT impressive in the grand scheme of things?

      I will ignore your personal jibes at me because they seem to come from an emotional place but I must say I'm rolling in hot White women, so no I do not need a wife from India thank god. Every time I go back, the women seem to get uglier and more shrill. Now don't call me a self hating Indian becaue I am extremely proud of being a Hindu Brahmana of the Andhra race. I just call a spade when I see one.

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    13. "just the IQ of the average Marine. It is no secret that the US Armed forces draw primarily from the Poor White demographic of the American South. "

      At some point they were recruited almost exclusively from elite families in Virginia and sorrounding areas. But as these families got more distanced from the mainstream they didnt wish to send their sons to wars and hence the Marines expanded their recruitment to other groups and yes many of them were poor whites . However the requirements have become rather stringent. FOr example you cant join without a high school degree or a bad credit score. NCO culture is quite strong in the Marines and college educated officers without help of that lame credential mill aka West Point are well respected across the board.

      "I will ignore your personal jibes at me because they seem to come from an emotional place "
      Yes , abusing Marines as dumb when many of them are my good friends and I know the culture relatively well. Far better than you is one of my triggers.

      " Even a third world shithole like India has close to 10 Nobel Prizes in the hard sciences."

      out of a population of nearly 1 and half billion.

      "but I must say I'm rolling in hot White women, "

      OK bro.

      ". Now don't call me a self hating Indian becaue I am extremely proud of being a Hindu Brahmana of the Andhra race"

      Are you Ved Aitharaju by any chance?

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    14. "many of them were poor whites "
      "However the requirements have become rather stringent"
      "high school degree"

      See what I mean? Instead of getting emotional you should just face facts that yes, indeed, many Marines are indeed Poor Whites who tend to be on the lower end of the IQ scale. They may have other positive qualities, which I won't deny.

      "out of a population of nearly 1 and half billion. "

      Yes, and Tamil Nadu today gave us 3 of those despite having just 67 million people. Meanwhile, Poor Whites somehow managed to hold themselves back despite having White privilege in the most White Supremacist region of the world : the American South. Rarely, if ever have Poor Whites been subjected to the terror and racism that Blacks have, and yet in many states, they live in squalor and poverty that is equal to, if not worse than the poorest African American ghettos.

      You can wax eloquent all you want about how gifted your buddies are, but that won't change a thing. Even by your standards, Tamil Brahmins are a superior race to the Poor Whites of America. Will you deny this?

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    15. I dont know who Ved Aitharaju is.

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    16. "but I must say I'm rolling in hot White women, so no I do not need a wife from India thank god." --- But @Jahan Soz saar, what about endogamy,as a 'proud hindu brahmana of the andhra race' how can you marry someone outside your jaati ?

      @ysv,i have a question to ask,do most of the trads who talk about the glories of conservatism, emdogamy etc in their motherland become the opposite in united states (like going after white women ) ?

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    18. 'proud hindu brahmana of the andhra race'. That statement was cringe af. Never heard it being used outside by anyone apart from some old British era books.

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    19. Its meant to sound that way shudroid. Cool your Periyarite balls

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    20. @tim drake

      Very simple. If I, a Brahman marry a White (or any caste/race) woman and have sons with her, they will be Brahmans by definition as well. In the Vedic system, caste and bloodlines are patriarchal.

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    21. @Jahan

      I find your statements about "rolling in hot white women" hard to believe in the first place. Are you sure they are not hookers? At any rate, no self-respecting woman in the West would put up with your casteist drivel. Your mother toungue might be Telugu, but your silly inflated self-esteem is just copied from Tamil Brahmins. Do reply- your attempts at trolling are quite entertaining.

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    22. @Prem Chand

      Typical Indian insecurity complex.You are a typical 5'5 , skinny fat, ungroomed and smelly South Asian man, while I am a glorious, 6'2, broad shouldered, handsome, muscular and lean alpha male who looks like a freakin Aryan Kshatriya and smells damn good.

      What kind of dumbass goes on a date with hot women and talks about smelly shudroids anyway? If anything, Western women are turned on by a more Caucasoid looking, "Aryan" Brahmin type like me and many have told me "You don't look like the other short, dark Indians" "I know YOUR people ruled India" "You have olive skin like a Greek" and so on and so forth.

      Forgive my inflated ego, but you'd be 10 times worse if you were in my shoes.

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    23. Jahan


      Forgive my inflated ego,... --- never mind Ur ego has already been forgiven,or rather kicked away into the dustbin by the knowledgeable blogger and same readers here 😁

      U had a bad childhood I feel,a lot of loopholes on the basics of human values and morality,but u are not alone .

      Rolling with a Caucasian woman on bed being a matter of glory speaks tonnes on Ur own inferiority at having taken birth in India or somehow remaining connected to India culturally :) thus probably u hyperventilate on brahmin pride ,Aryan looks etc to offset that. Presumably brahmin pride and Aryan figure are the two things that somehow make Indians feel superior in some cultures. North India largely has this problem wrt Aryan looks defining Aryanhood rather than 'Aryan' character,work or morality akin to the Vedic rishis. Luckily my home state Bengal has somewhat come out of these shallow conditionalities towards Aryan glory. Thus we are not groomed to judge people by default on brahmin title or Caucasian looks :)

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    24. Bengal is a fucking shithole and the sweage treatment plant of India.
      Bengali "intellectuals" are a plague upon the nation, and Kolkota has been a dustbin for 200 years.
      No one cares what you think.

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    25. @Jahan

      I do feel sorry for saying that you sleep with prostitutes. Hey even prostitutes have standards!

      "Its meant to sound that way shudroid. Cool your Periyarite balls"

      Its your balls that need cooling since they must itching with gonorrhea. At least ask your hookers to- Oops here I go again!

      In all likelihood you are some pimply teenager who masturbates to pictures of tall, broad-shouldered women (and men?) and what we are reading here are just your disgusting fantasies.

      I know your type. A Tamil who lives in forin and thinks he's much better than people back home. Yes I do consider you Tamil since your stupidity sounds all too familiar.

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    26. What? Shut the fuck up you dumb nincompoop.
      Even your insults are gay as fuck.

      praaaastItUte hEhEhE

      I guess being a disgusting mid 30s incel living in a shared 1BHK with 2 other grown ass men has damaged your psyche considerably and now you conflate all consensual sexual activity with prostitution

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    27. Notice how a single chad Brahman is bitch slapping numerous shudroids into submission.
      5000 years of Indian history in a nutshell.

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    28. Speaking of consensual, I have my doubts there as well. Exactly how many of these white women you were rolling around with were Eastern European victims of white slavery? I am sure they listened to your boasting about your Aryan lineage - if only they could understand you, or cared! If I had a choice, I'd rather be a gay mid 30s incel than a coconut riddled with complexes who thinks bedding white women is some kind of Nobel-prize worthy accomplishment.

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    29. "Notice how a single chad Brahman..."

      I hate to break this to you : the only reason folks here are humoring you is so they can get some quality entertainment. What you're doing isn't even trolling. Trolls understand their audience and adjust their message accordingly. You're more like a weirdo who goes up to women on the street and flashes his genitals for kicks. Come to think of it, I believe you may have done this exact thing for real.

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    31. Prem Chand, the real problem is that you are a triggered ape, who is also unfunny. I wish I could throw you more bananas, but it seems you will bore me to death with your whining and bitchiness.

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    32. Now that you have found an excuse to beat a retreat, I'll leave with you with an advice: your lame attempts at "triggering" people might impress other based bros at Indiachan. Here people are only going to laugh at you, if they're kind. Better luck next time (what was that deleted comment about btw?)

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    33. It was about my one night stand with your mother, Prem Chand.
      Will you call her a prostitute now too?

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    34. It obviously wasn't that, otherwise why would you have deleted it in embarrassment. More likely is that you were talking about your own mother so, please, spare us the details.

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    35. What? Embarassed?
      By your own logic, your mother is a gonnorhea ridden whore.
      We live in a sex positive society and you should embrace the bravery of your mom, Prem Chand.

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    36. "We live in a sex positive society"

      I know what positive you are : HIV positive. That too from doing your mom. Hey at least she was a white woman !

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    37. " If anything, Western women are turned on by a more Caucasoid looking, "Aryan" Brahmin type like me and many have told me "You don't look like the other short, dark Indians" "I know YOUR people ruled India" "You have olive skin like a Greek" and so on and so forth. " ---

      i didn't get this, if white women are indeed turned on by more Caucasoid looking guy then why settle for a 'half-real' product when they have plenty of real stuff there(white , caucasoid men).


      "North India largely has this problem wrt Aryan looks defining Aryanhood rather than 'Aryan' character,work or morality akin to the Vedic rishis" --- @Jam,it's a problem in north-western india but I cannot blame the north-westerners here, they have nothing to gain by out-marrying with other indians. I have talked to a few jatts and let just say that they don't want to degrade looks of their progeny lol.

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    38. " What? Shut the fuck up you dumb nincompoop.
      Even your insults are gay as fuck.

      praaaastItUte hEhEhE
      single chad Brahman is bitch slapping numerous shudroids into submission. " -----

      @Prem Chand, you might be right here, he indeed sounds like a teenager , no way can a guy with masters in Comp Sci and wanting to join military sound so juvenile.

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    39. @Tim

      I did feel bad about knocking him around since he sounds young, but the obnoxious
      derp kept coming back for more. Well, I am having a slow weekend and this was just too much fun to pass up ;) Looks like our chad Aryan chick-magnet finally went AWOL.

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    40. @tim drake i didn't get this, if white women are indeed turned on by more Caucasoid looking guy then why settle for a 'half-real' product when they have plenty of real stuff there(white , caucasoid men).

      The thing is, Whites are not any "more" Caucasoid than an actual Brahmin so there isn't much differnce in genetic makeup or features.

      My own facial features like long head, sharp nose, angular features eerily match the "Aryan" Nazi standards so much so that some Germans have mentioned AIT to me when we were casually drinking and chatting. I look somewhat aristocratic.

      it doesn't matter that I'm not European, but all I am saying is that I can fit in with their male beauty standards easier than Aziz Ansari. This is true for lot of, but not all high castes from India.

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    41. Jahan

      No one cares what you think.--- I felt that it was more of a footnote u wrote for reminding urself ,given the garbage can u are :)

      Bengal can't indeed be proud of herself for whatever is being done of late ,but then very few parts of India can actually be proud .

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    42. Jahan

      My own facial features like long head, sharp nose, angular features eerily match the "Aryan" Nazi standards so much so that some Germans have mentioned AIT to me when we were casually drinking and chatting. I look somewhat aristocratic.

      it doesn't matter that I'm not European, but all I am saying is that I can fit in with their male beauty standards easier than Aziz Ansari. This is true for lot of, but not all high castes from India. ---- btw I was just wondering ,is it vadakayil speaking in disguise 😋😋😋

      Anyway u need a life bro ,and a good psychiatric rehabilitation programme 😁😁 there's not much on which u can think of ,beyond Aryan looks ,Caucasian women and rolling on bed .

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    43. This thread got me cracked up 😄. Hope he comes back.

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    44. Tim
      North India largely has this problem wrt Aryan looks defining Aryanhood rather than 'Aryan' character,work or morality akin to the Vedic rishis" --- @Jam,it's a problem in north-western india but I cannot blame the north-westerners here, they have nothing to gain by out-marrying with other indians. I have talked to a few jatts and let just say that they don't want to degrade looks of their progeny lol. --- bro it's better that jats rather keep their culture to themselves :) I have come across the culture of this region ,it's casteist and immoral and dirty. Now I don't mean to say that my own culture is clean as savitri ,but the issue wrt this north central &North West Indian mindset that bothers me is their cultural hypocrisy ,like rampant extramaritals outside yet a religious pair at home to showcase society . Maybe I am generalising too much ,but even my colleague who hails from Western UP region hates these things about his own north centric culture . Also my college friends who work in Gurgaon ,Noida etc ,say similar things about the region .

      Having said that ,no culture or ethno-geographical strand on earth is all perfect . My own state has a hell lot of problems ,Bihar has its own ,so has all states . However the purist hypocrisy is an aspect where north central and north west India would easily win the cup .

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    45. Siva

      This thread got me cracked up 😄. Hope he comes back.-- 😀😀😀😀😀

      Btw u seem to be a new reader of ysv ,are u from India or settled abroad :) ? U need not answer if u feel not to _/\_

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    46. @JAM

      Yes I can only think of fucking hot bitches that want to fuck me because I'm not a testosterone deprived Sai Baba devotee.

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    47. "The thing is, Whites are not any "more" Caucasoid than an actual Brahmin so there isn't much differnce in genetic makeup or features." ---->

      i am not going to debate on the validity of this "caucasoid" term which defines some shared anthropological characteristics among vast number of ethnic groups spread across the world but @Jahan Soz, what the hell are you talking about when you say 'whites are no more caucasoid than an actual brahmin', we have genetic studies available detailing autosomal ancestries of various jaatis of india so i can easily say that whatever you are saying is complete BS lol.

      Hell, the sharp nose, angular featured people might have been present in the indus area before the supposed steppe migration (Iran_Neolithic related ancestry)


      "This is true for lot of, but not all high castes from India." ---- The ancestry from bronze age skeketons found in sintastha which is considered as a vector of Indo-Iranian languages by some, peaks in north-western farming castes like Jats and Rors :) .

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    48. ",but the issue wrt this north central &North West Indian mindset that bothers me is their cultural hypocrisy ,like rampant extramaritals outside yet a religious pair at home to showcase society" ---->

      @JAM, i absolutely agree with this.

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    49. @Tim drake

      https://www.sikhnet.com/news/jatts-farmer-warriors-punjab

      Literally the first image of a Jat.
      You should go and suck Razib Khan's tiny cock.
      He's another Bengali subhuman like our resident genius, JAM

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    50. https://scroll.in/article/828674/the-crisis-in-sugarcane-is-shaping-politics-in-western-ups-jat-belt

      Jats are sooooo Aryan and fair!
      Look at their European features and build!
      They are directly descended from the Vedic people!!

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    51. https://blog.scientificworld.in/2014/09/m-visvesvaraya-biography-in-hindi.html

      Imagine a younger version of this guy. Slightly different, but like you could tell we were from the ethnic group. That's what I look like.

      Its a very Indian and very Brahman look.

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    52. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Dutchbisnagar1667.jpg

      This is another pic that comes somewhat close to my phenotype.

      I'm somewhere in the middle betwen this and the above pic of Vishvesharaya.

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    53. Jahan

      Hello vadakayil how be u 😁😁? Wonder how on earth u got this protoislamic account name 'jahan soz' to disguise urself,wonder why u don't feel proud of Ur true identity anymore 😀😀 as for the protoislamic name ,maybe some secret gay fetish of urs about fair Arab men .

      But that apart ,just in case u are not vadakayil trolling as jahan soz ,and an independent human being ,bro u need a good life,u have deep issues from Ur past ,otherwise no one goes to such an extent to explain his/her physical features with elaborate essays like --'I'm somewhere in the middle betwen this and the above pic of Vishvesharaya. ' or ---' Imagine a younger version of this guy. Slightly different, but like you could tell we were from the ethnic group. That's what I look like.'

      I think jahan/vadakayil ,u have been abused as a kid for Ur looks ,maybe u look good but Ur family members might have looked better,thus probably u were compared with Ur better looking elder brother or like that. Has something of this kind happened in Ur childhood ? In case of many a north Indian society,I have come across this negative comparison of beauty in case of the girl children of family,sometimes by their own parents . Ofcourse the deeper societal implication here being that good looks fetch better marriage deals.

      Note that I am not abusing u or trying to demean u with this observation,just trying to understand this obsession of urs with looks. U went on to explain how u look like,with two full comments and few links :( surely Bhai u are not a happy man ,I hope u take help and come out of this phase in Ur life .

      Since u are intelligent and sharp by Ur own admission ,u could also consider entering r&d in the domain of computer science ,that would be a better involvement for u than trying to explain how u look like,to a group of random indic origin strangers on net. Imagine the real life equivalent ,I walk into a bar in some cosmopolitan city ,and then I sit on table with a few strangers,after a bit of formal intro chatting ,I start trying to explain to them how good I look ,how Aryan I am,with online links of Caucasian men that I forward to them on their WhatsApp ,trying to explain that I look a hybrid of two random men from two random weblinks 😄😄😄 in this blog, u are somewhat trying to do that thing . Just imagine how crooked it looks in a real world scenario .

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    54. @JAM

      i wrote 5 lines. You wrote like literally half a page. Who's triggered, you dumb Bengali bitch? 😄😄😄

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    55. Jahan

      That's ok but do tell me if I guessed it right on Ur childhood and growing up . U were abused in the past,weren't u ?

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    56. @JAM

      You are part of the freakin SAI BABA cult like some desperately undersexed housewife. You unironically write things like "My way or Sai Way:)" like a mentally abused victim who got shat on by life since the day they were born.

      Just end it. You are a Bengali NEET anyway. Its over for you 😄😄😄

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    57. @Jahan Soz, cherrypicked images which we don't even know belong to the group in question prove nothing(the guy cutting sugarcane @scroll.in seems like a non-jat laborer, most of these jat 'farmers' today are landlords where eastern UP bihari guys work in their farms, in fact , agricultural produce from punjab and haryana will take a big hit if eastern UP and bihari laborers stop their migration). Never mind that skin color is malleable and can change with constant exposure to sun over years . Btw, I can show you brahmins who look extremely australoid(i personally know them ;) ) . That's not going to prove anything since mixed people show variation in their phenotypes(it's the frequency of the trait that will vary ).

      You remind of a jat NRI poster at rajib's khan blog brownpundits.com who constantly brags about his and his family's phenotypes and posts their pictures. He used to tell how growing he used to feel different from other desis and he was confused for being white and he had only white friends lol (to his credit, he did look exotic even by north indian standards) .

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    58. What is a Bengali NEET Bhai ? Came across that expression first time .

      I do agree that the second Sathya Sai Baba org has indeed become a cult.

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    59. Tim

      Jahan Soz, cherrypicked images which we don't even know belong to the group in question prove nothing(the guy cutting sugarcane @scroll.in seems like a non-jat laborer, most of these jat 'farmers' today are landlords where eastern UP bihari guys work in their farms, in fact , agricultural produce from punjab and haryana will take a big hit if eastern UP and bihari laborers stop their migration). Never mind that skin color is malleable and can change with constant exposure to sun over years . Btw, I can show you brahmins who look extremely australoid(i personally know them ;) ) . That's not going to prove anything since mixed people show variation in their phenotypes(it's the frequency of the trait that will vary ). ---

      What struck me was his admiration for jats . A telegu brahmin has a richer culture to adhere to ,in my honest opinion,than sucking up to jats of all people. Note that I don't disrespect jats,but really speaking it's not worth chasing jat pride for a person born in an upper caste educated telegu family . Just on the reverse,a jat upper caste grows up with his own separate value system that revolves around casteism ,looks,racial pride etc,thus even a jat will have little to look upto on a more enlightened &educated telegu culture,as his value set is very different.

      Deducing this,jahan feels to be another useless troll ,not at all what he claims himself to be . And I won't care to apologise even if I get proven wrong on this

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    60. @JAM

      Calling this piece of human garbage a troll is doing it a favor since even trolls tend to have some intelligence and insight into human nature. What little intelligence he has remains unused since his daytime activity seems to be masturbating furiously, fantasizing about all the white women who scorned him for real white men. He thinks he is taking revenge on those white women by undressing and molesting them in his imagination.

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    61. "What struck me was his admiration for jats " --- @JAM, you got it wrong, he was actualy mocking jats by posting cherrypicked images of guys who he thinks are jats and look australoid. His was a reaction a comment where i said that haryana jats and rors have on average the highest steppe ancestry(higher than brahmins on average) .I guess that's what trigerred him.

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    62. Premchand

      @JAM

      Calling this piece of human garbage a troll is doing it a favor since even trolls tend to have some intelligence and insight into human nature. What little intelligence he has remains unused since his daytime activity seems to be masturbating furiously, fantasizing about all the white women who scorned him for real white men. He thinks he is taking revenge on those white women by undressing and molesting them in his imagination. ---

      That was savage bro 😀😀😀😀

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    63. Tim

      "What struck me was his admiration for jats " --- @JAM, you got it wrong, he was actualy mocking jats by posting cherrypicked images of guys who he thinks are jats and look australoid. His was a reaction a comment where i said that haryana jats and rors have on average the highest steppe ancestry(higher than brahmins on average) .I guess that's what trigerred him. -----
      Ok bhai I read him wrong ,either way he is too poor a test subject to be read at all ,so right or wrong doesn't matter I guess 😁😁😁 but credits to him ,he has given us some worthy entertainment ever since the last group of capt slaves stopped coming here :)

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    64. Oh jeez, what the heck was going on here??? Jahan Soz..out of sheer politeness, I let that "rolling in hot white women" comment slide. The chances of Telugu "brahmana of the Andhra race" with a masters degree in computer science "rolling in hot white women" are rather slim. Myself being a "brahmana of Andhra race(we are a race now??)" know the reality of our people in U.S. Casanovas we aint. And now when I read the remaining of your messages I am convinced of my initial assessment.

      Using terms such as "shudroid" as an expletive while praising Jats looks is comical as Jats are the equivalent of Sat shudras in the North. And plain Shudras , even chandalas more than 200 years ago. In the south it is Shudras who rule the roost, Brahmins are generally not very well off.So I dont know what you are bragging about.
      And your language and demeanour apart from inflated superioritiy complex with regard to working class whites suggest you have come here from Indiachan rather than historum. Historum has its flaws but it manages to maintain a certain quality of readership.

      Sai Baba is not someone I follow but using abuse against him is juvenile. And your kneejerk response to attack Bengal ,even as JAM never attacked your ethnicity, shows you have various unresolved issues. I find it hilarious that you accused me of responding emotionally when you utter this verbal sewage.
      "
      Jats are sooooo Aryan and fair!
      Look at their European features and build!
      They are directly descended from the Vedic people!!"

      Jats have peculiar customs such as Niyoga which was unknown among Vedic people. They also were unknown for unVedic customs such as burial and being fond of dogs. They migrated from Western Sindh (bordering Iran and Arabia) to Punjab so there is considerable genetic and cultural mixing.
      And btw google images of Jats show a lot of tanned and dark skinned people with very much Indian features but perhaps more aquiline noses than average. I dont know what you are going on about.

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    65. "- @JAM, you got it wrong, he was actualy mocking jats by posting cherrypicked images of guys who he thinks are jats and look australoid. His was a reaction a comment where i said that haryana jats and rors have on average the highest steppe ancestry(higher than brahmins on average) .I guess that's what trigerred him."

      Ah ok. I didnt catch that. Looks among Brahmins in AP vary wildly even within the same family. My father is rather dark while mother is pale and I came out as cafe au lait. hahaha.
      Similarly there are darker and lighter skinned Jats though I dont think there is so much intra familial variance. It depends on which Jat community vs which Brahmin sect you compare I suppose. Nagar, Mohyal and Kashmiri Brahmins for instance may have higher stepp ancestry than Jats while Bhumihars and Niyogis may have lower.

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      @Jahan Soz, cherrypicked images which we don't even know belong to the group in question prove nothing(the guy cutting sugarcane @scroll.in seems like a non-jat laborer, most of these jat 'farmers' today are landlords where eastern UP bihari guys work in their farms, in fact , agricultural produce from punjab and haryana will take a big hit if eastern UP and bihari laborers stop their migration). Never mind that skin color is malleable and can change with constant exposure to sun over years . Btw, I can show you brahmins who look extremely australoid(i personally know them ;) ) . That's not going to prove anything since mixed people show variation in their phenotypes(it's the frequency of the trait that will vary ).

      You remind of a jat NRI poster at rajib's khan blog brownpundits.com who constantly brags about his and his family's phenotypes and posts their pictures. He used to tell how growing he used to feel different from other desis and he was confused for being white and he had only white friends lol (to his credit, he did look exotic even by north indian standards) ."

      I was wondering if it was my imagination or have the Punjabis gotten darker over the years. It must be do with massive immigration from Bihar I suppose. Gujaratis and Sindhis seem on average fairer skinned than Punjabis. There are lot of fair skinned people among say Bihari and UP Yadavs but I would never confuse them for a Punjabi

      I know many Jats in U.S and Canada are braggarts and very proud of their identity. Though many of them are hefty and tall, generally they are on the bulky side.They resemble Mestizo Mexicans rather than any whites.
      They prefer Punjabi girls , though they make some inroads with Hispanic and white girls who usually look not much above average.
      Generally speaking Indian men in U.S show poor taste in white girls. What is ironic is that I know many who ditch rather beautiful Indian girls for a not very good looking white girl. This is of course due to complexes.
      They completely dismiss gorgeous Ethiopian women as "kaali baingan" . There is no helping such people.


      People who look like say actors Pooja Bhatt( Brahmin, British) Aditya Pancholi(Ahir) or Tiger Shroff(Kazaksthan ,Gujarati and Belgian ancestry) are a rarity.
      Generally it is a rude shock for self proclaimed Vedic Aryans such as Kashmiris and Punjabis that at most they are considered dark whites ala Armenians and Iranians rather than Northern European. Yes for whites of Northern European descent who populate U.S and Canada, Kashmiris are considered dark. This is often a painful pill for them to swallow.

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    67. I thought he was Ved Aitharaju from Quora because he is also a Telugu Brahmin (though niyogi, not vaidiki) and posts hate filled nonsense such as this.
      (from this blog)
      http://vartaarya.blogspot.com/2017/08/aryavatra-and-importance-of-following.html

      What is funny is he constantly claims to be pure Aryan and takes pride in his "pure genes" but looks like a typical south Indian urban youth. Rather looks a young Ramgopal Varma.

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    68. "Nagar, Mohyal and Kashmiri Brahmins for instance may have higher stepp ancestry than Jats while Bhumihars and Niyogis may have lower." ----> @YSV, this is
      a bit hard to explain but having high Steppe than another doesn't mean more 'Caucasoid-ness' than other. Nagars and Mohyal don't have higher steppe than jats on average but what they have is more of a slightly different ancestry.

      This might be a bit confusing but consider this example, let's say a group somewhere around 30,000 years developed "caucasian features" , one group separates out and migrate to some other far away place but not in a very different environment, now we fast forward some 25,000 years later, they both become adapted to their native environments and develop some umique mutations but let's say those mutations doesn't necessarily affect their facial features. In this case, if we find DNA from skeletons of these groups dating to some 5,000 years ago , modern clustering methods may cluster these ancient populations separately based on genetics but this doesn't mean that they facial features might have that different .

      Now, in indian context, while we don't have enough ancient DNA and we have only 1 sample from IVC proper(dated ~4500 years) i.e. the rakhigarhi sample but the scientists noticed that the sample was a mixture of rwo very divergent poulations - One related to the neolithic population of iran(in today's groups it peaks among sindhis, balochis and generally has a good distribution in western part of india including kashmir) and other related to , well, let's call it " moolnivasi ancestry ".

      The reeason you find fair skinned bihari or UP yadavs different from a punjabi(punjabis would have more aquiline features) is that punjabis have more of this neolithic iran related ancestry than a bihari yadav or bihari bhumihar even though bhumihars may have more steppe ancestry than an average punjabi.

      We indians are not just a mixture of two streams but rather 4(5 if count north-eastrners) streams of population.

      Re punjabis getting darker over time, you are right, in my opinion, this is related to high immigration of upper and middle castes to canada, lower TFR of high and mid caste groups and as you guessed immigration from bihar and eastern UP. A friend of mine was telling that a lot of biharis there have converted to sikhism too.

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    69. "What is funny is he constantly claims to be pure Aryan and takes pride in his "pure genes" but looks like a typical south Indian urban youth. Rather looks a young Ramgopal Varma." ---->

      @YSV , i read that post by that guy ved and racism aside, there were just too many errors there . You mentioned that he looks like a young Ram Gopal Verma so i think that's why he expanded the definition of 'Aryan' to include many non-brahmin groups of the south. Per him, 'dravidians' include only SCs, STS and OBCs.

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    70. @Tim drake

      re Neolithic populations
      My understanding that fair skin is a fairly recent mutation among Caucasoid peoples of West and Central Asia-not more than 6000 years old. The older strains of IVC were likely darker people though with aquiline features and straight hair. Fair skinned people whether IE or others came later.
      Even in Europe you have what they call the "Black Irish" , very dark people with blue eyes who first populated the British Isles and the remnants were there till the Druidic era.

      I believe that IAs like Huns and Scythians were a conglomeration of various ethnic groups with a dominant culture and language. It was usually advantageous for nomads to form coalitions.
      Mohyals and others could have adapted accordingly to their environment and perhaps changed due to intermarriage,genetic selection and shifting climactic conditions.

      These are my speculations mixed with fact. So comments or corrections are welcome.

      The Punjabis I see in U.S and Canada are really not that fair skinned ala Bollywood stars. Those who look like Nikki Haley and Preet Bharara are not that common. Generally they look like Bobby Jindal or Harmeet K Dhillon. When I was younger in college Indian American Punjabi girls devouring Indian film and fashion magazines asked as to where these Punjabis such as Kapoors and Khannas came from and why they look much whiter.


      Re the blog. Actually RGV comes from a Kshatriya family (in the south only families of royal background carry the surname Varma). Veds crank racist views aside , most sat Shudras in the south dont have much steppe ancestry. And BCs like Nadars given half a chance excelled at trade and industry.

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    71. @ysv_rao

      Looks like you're a dumbass like JAM, Prem Chand, tim drake and the others. You don't even seem to be able to grasp the sarcasm when warranted. That's just pathetic bro.
      Also, at no point do I claim to even be seen as "White" in America, or that I am anything other than Indian. You incel subhumans got so triggered by 2 lines in a comment that you all lost your collective shit and started talking about everything from Eastern Europen prostitutes to Steppe ancestry of Jats.

      @JAM Go suck Sai Baba's dead cock, you dumbfuck Durgo Pujo dog. Maybe one day you will find out who your father is.
      @tim drake Ok bro. Jats are White and full of Aryan Steppe ancestry.
      @Prem Chand Tell your gonnorhea ridden whore mother that I forgive her for being ugly.

      When I am a multi-millionaire, I will return here and offer everyone jobs cleaning my toilets.
      Farewell!

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    72. @ysv_rao

      One last thing, you also seem to cast a lot of generalizations on "Indian men" as if you can do better. Why not upload a pic of yourself, or at least your physique, and maybe some pics of women you've dated bro? You have this irritating know-it-all demeanor when really you are probably rotting in some dead end job somewhere, probably at an outsourcing company. After all, you're "Indian" bro, so you must be a 5'5, smelly, skinny fat IT coolie who can't get any without forced arranged marriage! 😁 😁 😁

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    73. I really dont feel I need to prove anything to anybody. I rarely discuss my personal life hence I dont need to provide proof about anything. If people believe me , thats fine , otherwise who cares.
      Just because you are an utterly repugnant individual , it doesnt mean I am. I respect the privacy of anyone I was involved with. Do you realize how utterly crass you sound even talking like this? And we are to believe that you are a hit with the ladies? hahahahaha

      I have no idea why you started frothing at the mouth all of a sudden
      I havent had a "job" since 2011 if you must know. I am too much of a stick in the mud to be a fit in the corporate environment. I am a contractor for the most part and set my own hours and able to choose my projects. Independence and self respect beats money and "rolling in white women" everytime.
      Take what you will out of this.

      You have abused Devi and her fervent adherents -Bengalis this close to Navaratri. What matter of "brahmana" are you? You have only cursed yourself.

      "When I am a multi-millionaire, I will return here and offer everyone jobs cleaning my toilets."

      The chances of you becoming a multi millionaire has the same level of credibility of you rolling in hot white women.

      "Typical Indian insecurity complex.You are a typical 5'5 , skinny fat, ungroomed and smelly South Asian man, while I am a glorious, 6'2, broad shouldered, handsome, muscular and lean alpha male who looks like a freakin Aryan Kshatriya and smells damn good."

      holy shit. I missed this comment. hahahahahaha. This guys must be trolling on some meta level. I cant believe anyone is this stupid to make the above statement in a sincere manner.

      alpha male,incel- somebody is stuck in 2013.

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    74. seems he got agitated by Siva's comment mocking his claims of brahmana of Andhra race. Add to that Tim Drake and Prem Chands doubts and he totally flipped out.

      A true "alpha" male wouldnt care if random strangers were skeptical of his sexual prowess.

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    76. @YSV Are Rajus Kshatriyas? I never read of any kingdom ruled by them in Andhra. Though many seem to possess good amount of land.

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    77. Ysv

      @Tim drake

      re Neolithic populations
      My understanding that fair skin is a fairly recent mutation among Caucasoid peoples of West and Central Asia-not more than 6000 years old. The older strains of IVC were likely darker people though with aquiline features and straight hair. Fair skinned people whether IE or others came later.
      Even in Europe you have what they call the "Black Irish" , very dark people with blue eyes who first populated the British Isles and the remnants were there till the Druidic era. ---


      I feel It's pretty natural that black genes dominated the landscape thousands of years back. We all evolved from the black human being. Infact to be fair,white mutation of skin colour may well be a negative evolution,as melanin density is always a better thing than lack of it ,speaking biologically :) it's just like sabre tooth of sabre tooth tigers,which had probably become sort of a hindrance for them even though it made them look ferocious and beastly .

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    78. Take @JAM's wannabe Freudian analysis for some 10 paragraphs. More proof that Bengalis should be genocided off the face of this earth LMAO. ----

      Bengalis should be genocided specifically for one Freudian analysis of a random anon handle on another random sex addicted anon 'brahmin-jat' handle ? 🤔








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    79. Jahan

      Clearly the idea of some dude getting laid triggers you and your little micro peened lickspittles so much that you get together and bitch about it for 30 comments.----

      None of us are getting triggered unlike u who seems to get aroused by abstract things ,believe me we are just making fun with u 😁😁
      we are loving Ur rants and chest thumping since after a long time some insane has landed into ysv blog ,otherwise he gets only serious and knowledgeable readers by the quality of his posts. People of Ur type used to come back in the past when ysv took on vadakayil capt ,this was back in 2013-14 ,long memories :) after that we got u and we are loving Ur clown dancing 😀

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    80. Jahan

      @JAM Go suck Sai Baba's dead cock, you dumbfuck Durgo Pujo dog. Maybe one day you will find out who your father is.
      @tim drake Ok bro. Jats are White and full of Aryan Steppe ancestry.
      @Prem Chand Tell your gonnorhea ridden whore mother that I forgive her for being ugly.

      When I am a multi-millionaire, I will return here and offer everyone jobs cleaning my toilets.
      Farewell! ----

      Kindly stay on bro ,a bit longer if the blogger permits ,we will dearly miss such grivel comments 😄😄😄😄😄 sandwiched between two abuses hurled at me and premchand ,u have been pretty respectful to Tim drake ,wonder what has tim done in the meantime to gain that hard-earned respect from u that premchand and I failed to do despite countless attempts on this thread 😀😀😀😀

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    81. It is odd that you refer to JAM as triggered by your claims and in turn you say that his ethnic group should be eliminated.
      I wonder if there is some sort of short circuiting in your neural network occuring as you keep typing this drivel.

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    82. "Are Rajus Kshatriyas? I never read of any kingdom ruled by them in Andhra. Though many seem to possess good amount of land."
      The irony is that while they are the only technical Kshatriyas (Suryavamshi,related to Rajput clans, wear sacred thread, recognized by pandits in Banaras) they are small fish compared to Kammas and Reddys historically . They claim descent from Eastern Chalukya and Gajapati Raju dynasties. Though they themselves achieved little in the way of establishing kingdoms. They are mostly zamindars.

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    83. Ysv

      This is what I was trying to figure out ,he doesn't even have an idea as to what it means to be 'triggered' :)

      Btw ysv this comment of mine got passed down under the load of comments ,do check this and share Ur opinion if this topic interests u ,all other readers are invited as well _/\_ 👇

      It's a real joy to be reading and discussing on Ur blog after quite a long break ,I should have kept the touch here for my own learning despite my problems in the meantime,but anyway that's a past now ,and there's always time to learn as long as I live 😊🙏


      http://empiresoflight.blogspot.com/2020/05/fundamental-defects-in-pakistani-soul.html?showComment=1600577073809&m=1#c5558871969218168505


      Also ysv if u feel it ok ,u may consider increasing the recent comment window to show few more comment ,otherwise I am losing track of the recent comments when too many of these start flooding in .

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    84. I said "more proof" you dumb autist.
      Learn to read.

      @ysv_rao seriously, learn to read. you haven't even followed your own thread and your autist dumbass thought i was "praising White jats" like some sanctimonious retard.

      anyway, you guys sound like you are all ~ 15 years older than me, and i see that you haven't really gone anywhere in life.

      JAM : NEET means not in education, employment or training. your unemployed, fishmonger bengali ass probably couldn't do what i do even for a minute. you are inferior to me in every way.

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    85. @all

      ok im bored now. you have my blessings to keep rotting in some deadend IT outsourcing company.
      i am going places, unlike you and this shite blog.

      i feel sorry for you guys, but guess what life's unfair and some people are just "better" than others

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    86. "I said "more proof" you dumb autist.
      Learn to read."

      Please learn to read your own gibberish before you pass judgement.

      "@ysv_rao seriously, learn to read. you haven't even followed your own thread and your autist dumbass thought i was "praising White jats" like some sanctimonious retard."

      I had already corrected myself in that regard. When I make an error , I admit it and attempt to correct it. NOt dig myself into a deeper hole due to my hollow egotism and complexes like you do. Its called being a mature adult, something you may never achieve even if you live to a 100.

      "i feel sorry for you guys, but guess what life's unfair and some people are just "better" than others"

      You may be "better" than many things but youre clearly not very good at lying. No one is buying your claims about hot women and your Adonisesque appearance. which is why you are behaving like a toddler screaming in a supermarket who was denied candy.

      Anyhow you are incapable of saying anything of value. Henceforth all of your responses will be relegated to spam.

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    87. Jahan

      @all

      ok im bored now. you have my blessings to keep rotting in some deadend IT outsourcing company. ---

      Don't worry u have our collective blessings too 😜😜

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    88. @YSV, re occurrence of fair skin around the time of neolithic, first of all, one should make clear as to what is their definition of fair skin . If we are talking about northern european kind of extremely fair, pale skin then it's indeed very recent (selection perhaps in the last 3,000 years and still ongoing if you believe the scientists :) ) however, if we are talking about olive skin kinda fairness, it could be older.
      Now , the thing is that we can't know for sure the exact skin tone of people who lived some 6,000 years ago because skin is not preserved, so we can only estimate/extrapolate based on finding of certain mutations like the derived SLC24A5 and SLC45A2.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium/potassium/calcium_exchanger_5

      However, absence of these markers don't always mean dark skin , for example, east asians like japanese and koreans can be quite fair but hardly any one of them has the above mutations which are heavily correlated with lighter skin color in non-east asians.

      Coming back to original point, the derived SLC24A5 alleles have been found in a skeleton dating to ~13,000 years ago in cave in Georgia , so it seems that the mutation has already developed even before the end of LGM around the Caucasus region. It might be the case the mutation spread across with the end of LGM and rise in population sizes.

      Of course, those people couldn't have been northern european type fair but at the very least, they could be like an average persian.

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    89. "Actually RGV comes from a Kshatriya family (in the south only families of royal background carry the surname Varma)." ---- Wait, i thought he was a kamma and kamma were not kshatriyas. I have been told that the only kshatriyas in the andhra region were the rajus.

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    90. @jahan soz bhai, i wish you stay and comment more. You provided a lot of entertainment, you reminded me of @Prabh Rangi, the only difference being that you can frame coherent sentences.

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    91. "Wait, i thought he was a kamma and kamma were not kshatriyas. I have been told that the only kshatriyas in the andhra region were the rajus."

      RGV is not Kamma. His family name is Penmetsa Raju. RGV got himself allied with the Kamma gang in Telugu industry (Nagarjuna etc) as that was the only way to get a foot into the industry.
      Kammas often refer to themselves as Kshatriyas but technically they are not. They are sat shudras similar to Jats who were warrior farmers. However Kammas and Balijas had more success in establishing kingdoms than Rajus but most of these were in TN. IN AP and Telengana they had to be content as feudatories under Vijayanagar or Golkonda sultanate.

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    92. I guess the retards in here equate Aryan with pink skin, blonde hair and blue eyes like the middle aged know-nothing nincompoops they are.

      https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1+sUvrY3PL.jpg

      ^This is what I mean when I say "Aryan". Get it through your thick skulls

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    93. Hello again weirdo. I thought you were done with us and left us in our third world hell hole. It is clear you are just a whiny thin skinned crybaby who is unable to get rid of his fail stain no matter how much you scrub- on the rare occasion that you do take a bath.

      And LOL on that pic and your bizarre obsessions. No one here stated that Aryans look like the Hitler Youth. We actually stated statements to the contrary. Are you even capable reading anything longer than 120 characters.

      What "brahmana" activities are you upto today tham uru?

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    94. @Jahan Soz

      Here is a news article about Pakistan becoming the next super power:

      https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiExNruvozsAhUImIsKHRVFDw0QFjACegQIAhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimesofindia.indiatimes.com%2Fblogs%2Falways-right%2Findia-is-a-global-power-and-pakistan-is-a-sinking-ship-pakistan-pm-imran-khan-must-remember-this%2F&usg=AOvVaw1PN1QrgVBo5OkX0ubbf6Az

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    95. Jahan soz

      Why have kept this handle name after ghori's nickname,as premchand pointed out ? u were a victim of pederasty as a kid,my Freudian analysis suggests. Ur obsession with ghori ,and maybe Ur fantasies over imagined male physique of central Asian invaders,all add up behind Ur decision of adopting such an awkward handle name . Wonder what hell of a brahmin u are ,kindly don't associate urself to any ethnicity ,jat or telegu whatever,u are a disgrace to India itself. It's better u keep rolling with white (wo)men ,that's pretty much all u can do as of now .

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    96. @JAM

      i believe your constant obsession with freudian analysis and childhood suggests some very traumatic incident happened in your past. perhaps your lazy cuckolded bengali father pimped you out to the neighboring pedos for an easy buck? tell me the truth. bengalis are lazy, indolent subhumans who would rather pimp out their underage children than work a day in their life. this childhood trauma caused you to turn to SAI BABA (hahahahahahah) like some mentally ill woman in her mid 40s.

      i hope you get help fishmonger. projecting your childhood on to me won't change anything.

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    98. Jahan
      ur wholw answer doesnt explain ur thinking behind choosing that handle name linked to ghori the invader,and anecdotal evidence from ur comments till now suggests ur hidden obsession with sexual tones. But whatever u do,please keep coming to this blog as long as the blogger permits,u are providing us some quality entertainment at zero investment :)

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    99. Someone is still butthurt over 1971.....was your dad or grandpa on of the glorious Aryan 93000 warrior /surrendering POWs without firing a shot?

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    100. i like how everyone on this blog is so eager to lick my feet despite getting shat upon.

      @ysv_rao why don't you write another article about how bad you feel that british didn't consider telugus as a martial race? you come across as a slavish, know-nothing who desparately needs approval from the white man, pakis, afghans, Iranians or whoever. anyone who isnt wrecked with insecurity about their frail bodies and lack of fighting ability wouldn't give 2 shits about what some pink man wrote 200 years ago

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    101. Yes, a typical Pakistani habit of claiming humiliating losses as victories is evident in you. After all simply declare invaders and tyrants such as Ghazni and Ghori as Pakistanis and grovel to Turks while claiming various ancestries . Problem solved. oh wait , it isnt.

      Arent you supposed to be getting laid at some leather club. I ask you again why you grace us with your presence despite declaring with gusto that you are done with us . Your mewling and sniffling is there for all to see.

      The "martial race" theory is bullshit. The ass kicking you got in 1971 should have convinced you. Craving Approval from Afghans, Iranians and Arabs is your Paki habit. You are quite confused.

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    102. no you dumb fuck, im not Paki, but i can take a title from some guy if i feel like it.
      vijayanagar kings called themselves "hindu raya suratrana"
      was krishnadevaraya related to mahmud of ghazni, you utter retard?"

      Krishna Deva Raya did not spend his time ranting about his lineage and making false claims about banging Scandinavian women. Please dont take his name from your filthy mouth. Suratna became a common term shortly after the demise of the Kakatiyas. Vijayanagar probably werent even aware of its etymology.

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    103. @ysv_rao why don't you write another article about how bad you feel that british didn't consider telugus as a martial race? --- strange ,didn't jahan come across as a telegu brahmin himself ? As for the martial race ,it's well proven that the theory is historically flawed ,martial race status was more like choosing a group of good &obedient slaves amongst a group of unruly ones. And ofcourse the untameable groups of population never got martial status ,because they didn't choose to bow down to British overlords like jahan bows to ghori .

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    104. anyway what am I even doing giving you attention that you desperately crave from pretty much anyone- male or female.
      Spam is where you go. henceforth. dont waste your energy typing. You need that energy for your date- with your right hand.

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    105. Spam is where you go. henceforth. dont waste your energy typing. You need that energy for your date- with your right hand. --- 😀😀😀😀😀 very true ,he is only wasting our time that otherwise can be utilised for better discussions . Even cheap entertainment has limits :)

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  6. Why is Indiachan so ignorant
    https://pajeet.top/pol/res/72712.html

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    1. How so? One guy likes what I say, another guy doesnt. Thats life. I have other issues with Indiachan, or rather the type of culture and reactions it generates. I would say it makes some people mentally ill- especialy Hindutvadis as presenting facts that go against their narrative is something they cant handle.

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    2. Bhaktbhangi is a popular term there lol

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    4. "@ysv,i have a question to ask,do most of the trads who talk about the glories of conservatism, emdogamy etc in their motherland become the opposite in united states (like going after white women ) ?"

      I made a separate post on this matter. Indeed I would say that most of the fans of these white girl reacts to Bollywood/Tollywood videos are deshbhakts.
      A lot of chest beating and patriotism is to cover up various complexes which stem from a history of subjugation on and off over the last millenium. I have seen many Indian men make a move on white women and failing mostly. This is not really due to their looks as much as it is do with lack of cultural commonality and shared interests. Indians who tend to be rather insular arent really that interested in European and AMerican cultures which they view as inferior if not barbaric. Many sense this attitude and simply avoid Indians for this reason.
      HOwever this preference for white women is among both seculars and bhakts. Though seculars tend to be more open about it.
      I dont think the RSS is doing young men any favors. By the time the RSS is done with them, most of them simply dont belong in any cosmopolitan society as their mindset is rather medieval. Forget white women, many young men can barely interact properly with women from their own neighborhood.
      To side track somewhat- I believe rape in places in India and Egypt occur not neccesarily due to the girl wearing improper clothes but because there are too many young men unaccusmoted to city life and cannot process the girls choice of dress in the proper context. Most Indian cities are not really cities at all but villages in an urban space. A city is not made by skyscrapers, office complexes, English speakers, western clothes ,bars or restaurants but by people and their urbane mindset. Despite these trappings most city dwellers in India are rural and they openly admit it.

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    5. I just discovered that Jahansoz(world burner) was the nickname of the Turkic invader Muhammad Ghori. Imagine an Indian calling himself Jahansoz just because the invader happened to be fair-skinned and had aquiline features. This guy has some serious body appearance issues. Probably a gym rat who juices himself up with steroids and believes that will attract the ladies.

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    6. I think Ghori was Tajik though Ghazni was Turkic. Premchand you are clearly not an alphamale like our friend Jahan Soz who like his fellow macho alpha Ghori who was rather popular with the ladies or rather thats what he called beardless boys. Well he didnt care much for brahmanas , of Andhra or any other race but no one is perfect.

      I thought he was a troll from Indiachan but turns out to be indeed a Pakistani masquerading as brahmin on historum. There are quite a few of those accounts. This would explain his hatred for Bengalis and his contempt for Durga Puja.

      Here is JahanSoz's other hero ghazni doing total alpha male stuff. being the target of Aryan ladies lust and the like. (Warning NSFW image)
      https://historum.com/threads/why-do-non-historians-know-so-little-about-the-mass-killings-of-ancient-governments.75957/page-6#post-1955733

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    7. @ysv: Why are Pakistanis masquerading as Brahmins now, that too on Historum?

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    8. And surprisingly he was trying to dig info about Karnams from Andhra Pradesh. For a Paki he sure does know good amount about Brahmins from Andhra though.

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    9. @Siva

      THere are many Pakistanis who pose as Hindus in historum and elsewhere and engage in casteist and regionalist rhetoric in order to spread discord among Hindus. THis is not to say Hindus of all stripes get along fine and dandy but malice from outside artificially excarbates these tensions and flames fans of hatred.
      Unfortunately for them, while they do considerable research, Hinduism is just too bewildering and confusing for them and often give themselves away in one way or another.

      For instance,it did not take much for this guys narrative to collapse for instance. Within a dozen or so posts he went from expressing pride in being a Telugu Brahmin to abusing them for being non martial and IT labor.

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      Apparently Chinese version of Islam stemming from the Han qitab appears pretty different from the mainstream Islam ,it seems they have integrated some amount of Taoist mysticism and Confucianism into their principles ,far better than indic Islam could do till date wrt to integration of mainstream Hindu philosophy. Uighur Muslims have a regional and cultural issue with Chinese govt ,but the hui Muslims feel kind of amalgamated with mainstream Chinese civilization. Even their Han qitab is pretty much a deviation from Qur'an itself,as I got to know while reading a research paper online on Chinese Islamic culture . Indian Islam had a far better chance of creating a synthesised Islam as it came in touch with a deeper indic civilization,but apparently that never happened ,while in case of China,they seem to be partially successful on this ,unless I am getting it all wrong . All Opinions on this are welcome from all .

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    11. @ysv

      Does this psyops warfare have any real world impact ? What do these guys gain from expending so much effort on anonymous internet users?

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    12. The famous Chinese admiral Zheng He was descended from Arab Tajik settlers and was raised Muslims but honored many Taoist dieties particularly those associated with wind and sailing.

      Unlike India, Muslims in China were dominated by native culture and invariably it changed the shape and culture of Chinese Muslims. The original Aladdin or rather in the earliest versions of Aladdin he is Uighur or Hui Muslim and identifies as chinese.
      Prophet Mohds uncle who was a trader is buried near Hong Kong. The Quran says to seek knowledge even if takes you to China.

      Syncretized Islam in India thrived where the power dynamic between Hindus and Muslims was either more balanced or in favor of Hindus such as Bijapur and Golkonda sultan declared themselves students of Saraswati and imbibed Persian and Turkic sufi influences in their customs. It did them that they were Shia which was intolerable to Aurangzeb and hence he squashed their kingdoms despite them extending tribute.
      Even Tipu Sultan despite his attempted genocide against Nairs had a syncretic culture dominating his courts.
      Susan Bayly pointed out that Tamil Muslims such as Mohd Yusuf Khan and others got assimilated in the religion of heroism and martyrdom assoicated with Virakals ,samadhis and koyils dedicated to fallen warriors. In AP and TN there are customs among Muslims to take a dip in a temple tank or do uloor seva(rolling worship) before attending Namaz at a mosque.

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    13. @premchand

      I dont know about real world impact but regional tension do exist on the internet though I think much of it is just venting that can be healthy. This can be infiltrated by Pakistani types for nefarious purposes. This can have spill over effects in real life.
      We see many people committing suicide due to online abuse and anxiety from twitter and other sources. Some even go around shooting up people such as Eliot Rogers and that crazy vegan Bahai Iranian woman in LA who wanted to kill executives in Youtube because they demonetized or blocked her channel.
      As more people spend time online and it affects their personality, what they see may affect them considerably.

      I speculate the Muslim community these days doesnt get worked up over blasphemy as during the pre internet days due to the ubiquity of such views and images and they have become jaded.

      I dont think these Paki guys generally are ISI however, they are amateurs who are self taught, often poorly. They do out of ideological motivations rather than any institutional backing.

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    14. @Jam "Indian Islam had a far better chance of creating a synthesised Islam as it came in touch with a deeper indic civilization" My opinion is it might have come in contact with Indic civilization but it was the religion of ruling class, unlike China. So the ruling class always had an attitude that Hindus and Hinduism were inferior. Something of such was underway(Din e illahi) during Akbar time, but was reversed by Aurangzeb. I read it was under Aurangzeb that Fatawa e Alamgir was written and Muslim law was made stringent and this prevented further synthesis of Islam with Hinduism.

      Yes there were some Sufi saints who tried to do it, but it wasn't mainstream.

      Today, I see growing austerity among Indian muslims due to various ideologies.

      There is a specific trend I have observed w.r.t telugu muslims in Andhra, who are converts from Dudekula caste(cotton carders). They used to speak in telugu. Now most of them are using Urdu as mother tongue to gain acceptance among muslim community. I feel things like these will create further problems for us.

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    15. "There is a specific trend I have observed w.r.t telugu muslims in Andhra, who are converts from Dudekula caste(cotton carders). They used to speak in telugu. Now most of them are using Urdu as mother tongue to gain acceptance among muslim community. I feel things like these will create further problems for us."

      This is something I noticed too. Muslims who speak regional languages such as Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Bengali ,Gujarati tend to be better assimilated and syncretized.

      I think the communal problem is severe in Hindi speaking states is because the only option for Muslims is Urdu as Hindi/Urdu dichotomy owes its origin to Hindu/Muslim linguistic preferences.
      I neglected Kannada Muslims because they barely existed. Islam in southern karnataka anyway was hijacked by Urdu speakers post Tipu Sultan. And these cause the most problems, apart from one stray Konkani Muslim called Dawood Ibrahim hahaha. But an argument could be made that he is not really communal and that this notion was a media creation
      Urdu seems to perform the role of a pan Islamic identity among Indian Muslims.

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    16. "Urdu seems to perform the role of a pan Islamic identity among Indian Muslims." Agree, many of them are adopting urdu for the pan Indian Islamic identity. I have seen a few writing arabic as their mother tongue on matrimonial profiles.

      "I speculate the Muslim community these days doesnt get worked up over blasphemy as during the pre internet days due to the ubiquity of such views and images and they have become jaded." This I would differ.

      What was the power dynamics in Bijapur that made them tolerant? As far as I know there was only one Sultan who was Sarswati worshipper.

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      Thanks for the wonderful insight on Chinese Islam _/\_ I was not off track ,Chinese Islam is indeed the most unique cultural blend of Islam probably,though of late a rare specimen of Japanese &South Korean Islam are coming up ,integrating mainstream cultural values of these nations with Islamic practice ,but the adherents are very few ,so we have to wait to see till Islam in Korea and Japan grows to few percents of the population at least ,only then a fair judgement can be pulled out (I doubt through that Islam will ever gain prominence in Japan,while South Korea has given away a lot of space to xtianity already ) .

      ""I speculate the Muslim community these days doesnt get worked up over blasphemy as during the pre internet days due to the ubiquity of such views and images and they have become jaded."" --- Muslims online are pretty much on the backdoor and have learnt to be respectful , atleast outwardly ,to other negative views on them . Most people analyse this humility to be a sign of growing Hindu voice on social media. That may be a reason ,but I think beyond that lies the attempts of many Islamic sites to portray or highlight the messages of tolerance ,acceptance and harmony as given interspersed in many of the Quranic or hadith verses. Maybe the propagation of these aspects of Islamic scriptures are also playing a role in redefining the response of online Muslims . Also overall as I see ,people are evolving . A significant part of Muslims are not reacting to religious propaganda as they used to even two decades back . Thus ram Mandir or CAA are not creating any major ruckus anymore ,much to the dismay of selfproclaimed seculars. Some violence was seen in Bengal after CAA ,but that was mostly because of Mamata Banerjee catering to Muslim elements ,otherwise even that failed to create any significant impact even in muslim dominated districts,barring minor disturbances . Anyway that apart ,Muslims online are probably getting reformed by the conscious effort of many Islamic websites at highlighting the better parts of their scriptures of the more tolerant aspects .

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      @Jam "Indian Islam had a far better chance of creating a synthesised Islam as it came in touch with a deeper indic civilization" My opinion is it might have come in contact with Indic civilization but it was the religion of ruling class, unlike China. So the ruling class always had an attitude that Hindus and Hinduism were inferior. Something of such was underway(Din e illahi) during Akbar time, but was reversed by Aurangzeb. I read it was under Aurangzeb that Fatawa e Alamgir was written and Muslim law was made stringent and this prevented further synthesis of Islam with Hinduism.

      Yes there were some Sufi saints who tried to do it, but it wasn't mainstream.

      Today, I see growing austerity among Indian muslims due to various ideologies.

      There is a specific trend I have observed w.r.t telugu muslims in Andhra, who are converts from Dudekula caste(cotton carders). They used to speak in telugu. Now most of them are using Urdu as mother tongue to gain acceptance among muslim community. I feel things like these will create further problems for us.

      ----- agree with Ur points ,Sufism has pretty mystic notions ,infact one Sufi lineage even puts the prophet Muhammad at centre of universe&creation with his own flute like Krishna ,and he is creating and sustaining the universe with his music. Generally most Sufi lineages rather insist on worshipping the prophet or Islamic saints of the past rather than abstract God. To that extent they indeed had assimilated ideas of Hindu thinking,there u are right . However unlike Chinese Islam ,Sufism didn't go mainstream ,and the good reason for that has also been highlighted aptly by u already ,the difference was in Chinese Islam reaching to masses as opposed to Indian Islam spearhead remaining in ruling class .

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      Below is from Richard Eaton's work. I realize Eaton is a secularist who wishes to play down Muslim excesses or rather engage in rather silly whataboutism (hey Hindus raided temples too) . However he does highlight some aspects of Deccani Sultanates which are commendable compared to the rather staid Islamic Mughal court.

      I think over time the hatred of Hindus cooled , upon further interaction (wives, adminstrators and mercenaries were often Hindu) and some sultans had genuine intellectual curiosity which led them to native faiths and customs.

      "But the portrait is significant also in another way, in that it depicts the contrasts that can develop in the same ruling house and in interpretations of its official ideology. The Adil Shahi state was formally Muslim. From the start, however, it was influenced not only by multiple religions but also by different identities. So, for instance, Ismail (reign 1510-34) chose to highlight the family’s Persian heritage—he made his troops wear Iranian uniforms and himself adopted the 12-pointed cap, a reference, as the scholar Deborah Hutton notes, to the 12 imams of Shia Muslims.

      Ibrahim II (reign 1580-1627), on the other hand, was Sunni and is depicted in a style associated with the Indian faction at court, a reflection of his own attitudes. He was, for example, not only a lover of Marathi (much to the horror of a Mughal envoy, who found Ibrahim’s Persian weak) but also a great admirer of Hindu traditions. It was he who proclaimed himself son of Saraswati and Ganapati, studied Sanskrit, and went to the extent of renaming Bijapur “Vidyapur" to honour his favourite goddess.

      Sultan Sikander (reign 1389-1413), for instance, was a destroyer of Hindu shrines and burner of Sanskrit books. But his son Zain al-Abdin (reign 1420-70), officially as devout a Muslim as his father, implemented the opposite policy: Not only did he resume temple grants, but under him the court also witnessed an unprecedented production of Sanskrit literature, as well as translation of Hindu texts into Persian for the ruler’s edification."


      While Golkonda Sultans were known as Telugu sultans as they made it the official language. Reddys and Velamas in the country side ran the show and Deshastha Brahmins ran the administration and also were higher ups in the army. Gopanna , the nephew of Akkanna and Madanna spent the taxation revenue of a district on a temple which merited barely a slap on the wrist from the Sultan- he was imprisoned. Mughals would have boiled him in oil and had his family executed or sold into slavery as well as have the temple destroyed.

      Asaf Jahis started Persianization of the administration and appointed Khatris instead of Telugus in the administration but the Dehasthas remained. The latter joined the Nizam and cohorts in dismissing Telugu as an unsuitable language for refined people. It took Telugu Brahmins a lot of wrangling but they managed to evict Dehashtas from administrative positions.

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      "Urdu seems to perform the role of a pan Islamic identity among Indian Muslims." Agree, many of them are adopting urdu for the pan Indian Islamic identity. I have seen a few writing arabic as their mother tongue on matrimonial profiles.

      The best example of this phenomenon is the actress Waheeda Rehman. My mothers family knew hers pretty well. Rehman's family could not speak a word of Urdu or Hindi ,only Telugu.
      Later on she started making up stories about how her Urdu speaking father was stationed in Madras, which is how she picked up Tamil and Telugu. My parents listening to this in a radio interview with her laughed and said that this is expected since she joined the North Indian Muslim gang. They have transformed her identity of an urbane Urdu speaker from UP or Delhi.




      "I speculate the Muslim community these days doesnt get worked up over blasphemy as during the pre internet days due to the ubiquity of such views and images and they have become jaded." This I would differ.

      Compare the protests agains the Mohd cartoon say in 2005 Denmark publication to the post Charlie Hebdo era and the very public execution of Theo Van Gogh for making a documentary critical of Islam with Muslim dissident Ayaan Hirsi Ali. The media sided with the protestors and assasins and decried that free speech "has no limits" (kind of the point of free speech). These days, es every now and then there are death threats against someone making a Mohd cartoon but the rage has cooled and passion is jaded.
      For all practical purpose they have considered this a fact of life. If they are confronted with such images and rhetoric everyday by either Hindu, Christian ,Jewish , Buddhist ,Zoroastrian or athiest individuals online then its simply human to accept with some resignation that the floodgates of blasphemy are open. They realize they are as succesful fighting this with death threats and protests as a sunbather is fighting a tsunami with a scimitar.

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    21. @ysv: could you write more about Deshastha Brahmins and how did they become so important in administration.

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    22. Deshastha like rest of the Maharashtra population were a community who would ally themselves with whatever power was presiding. They started off during the Yadavas as administrators where I think they had a hand in shifting the court language from Kannada to Marathi. After the Turkic invasions they served khilji then the Bahmanis. In capacities as administrators and warriors . They participated in Talikota and destruction of Vijayanagar. Later serving in all five Deccani sultanates. When Marathas were on the rise, they fulfilled pretty much the same roles as before but now achieved the status of Peshwa.
      However soon Chitpavans monopolized that position and others and they migrated southwards mostly to fulfill any administration roles. Hence you found in Mysore , Tanjore and Travancore.
      Telugu Brahmins managed to displace them in Nizam's dominions and Coastal districts with great difficulty.

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    23. Damn, i don't want to offend you YSV but it seems like brahmins indeed were more privileged than other jaatis on average (i don't mean to discount the fact that some of them lived and still live in poverty) but the narrative by some that all brahmins lived in poverty as decreed by shastras and they lived on alms and bhikshas and never rose to power etc is far from the truth.

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    24. "Damn, i don't want to offend you YSV but it seems like brahmins indeed were more privileged than other jaatis on average (i don't mean to discount the fact that some of them lived and still live in poverty) but the narrative by some that all brahmins lived in poverty as decreed by shastras and they lived on alms and bhikshas and never rose to power etc is far from the truth."

      The truth is nothing to be offended about. Sure the bulk of Brahmins are humble temple priests living mostly on donations but that is offset by the respect they got. In many places they were treated literally like gods. Every now and then they would recieve patronage from a king or chieftain and be endowed with cows and agrahams.
      Brahmins in royal courts were in a very secure and priveleged position. However these generally didnt care for who was in power. THey served Hindu, Muslim and British kings alike.

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    25. Here is one example of an SOB Dehashta Brahmin

      Murari Rao , the commander in chief of Golkonda sulatanate raided temples at Ahobilam and made off with a statue of Vishnu studded with diamonds,rubies and gold which he presented to the sultan. THis was post Talikota. Later Venkata Raya gave Golkanda sultanate a proper thrashing killing 10s of thousands and captured Murari Rao.
      Murari Rao pleaded mercy on the basis that he was a Brahmin. Reminds me of the Jewish joke about the teenager who killed his parents but pleaded for clemency with the judge since he was now an oprhan.
      Unfortunately he was pardoned rather than beheaded and his wives placed in Raya's harem dunno what became of him after that.

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    27. hahaha, Brahmins are supposed to have very high standards of conduct. And if they transgress on even a minor issue they lose caste hence brahmahatya should be irrelevant.
      There was a Namboothiri in the early 1900s who was outcasted because he travelled to England.


      "Now serving other kings reminds me of a rajasthani rajput dude on twitter who claimed that rajputs served the mughals and other powerful muslim dynasties to protect the common hindu from the wrath of the all powerful muslims lol 🤣 . This sounded like a pathetic excuse to me, i asked him why bihari rajputs(and bhumihars) served as voluntary sepoys for the EIC , after that they ganged up on me lol."

      Some Rajput apologists claimed that Aurgangzebs mania for temple destruction was tempered due to Rajput officers. First of all this type of argumentation is highly flawed as there is no strong correlation between cause and effect. And given previous record of Mughals Aurangzeb was pretty much on track.
      Sometimes intermarriage and use of Hindus made in Muslim regimes made persecution of Hindus difficult. But that is not always the case.

      It is amazing many north Indians especially whose castes were in 1857 often dismiss south Indians as lackeys of the British for not participating in it and even supplying troops prior to that rebellion (they were demartialized to a large degree after Vellore and other mutinies and Punjabis ,Jats and Marathas became the majority in the Madras Regiment)

      Well Bhumihars and other were doing the same thing and as in Vellore ,often mundane concerns such as discrepancies in pay and humiliation were the causes of rebellion rather than genuine national aspirations.

      The reality is very few communities have clean hands when it comes to allying with invaders in the post Islamic era anyway. THere is not much record of Hindus assisting Huns and Sakas for instance. But then these were restricted mostly to region of Pakistan today.

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    28. "There was a Namboothiri in the early 1900s who was outcasted because he travelled to England."

      The mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujam suffered the same fate. As if it wasn't enough that his career was cut short by tubercolisis, when he died he was denied cremation in a Brahmin graveyard since he had become an outcaste by traveling to England.

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      Amazing, I didnt know that about Ramanujam. This is curious as Tamil Brahmins while orthodox in many respects, I assumed did not observe this prohibition about crossing the seas. Didnt many go to Cambridge, Oxford and other universities abroad for further studies?

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  7. Hi Everybody,

    I do not know if you have been following it, but West Indies cricketer Darren Sammy recently took to Facebook and called out Indian racism. It seems he was called 'Kaalu' when he played for an IPL team.
    https://twitter.com/darensammy88/status/1270184549478273025

    First the backlash from the Arab world over Indians insulting Islam in the Middle East. Now this.

    Abdul Kalam spoke about and even wrote a book called India 2020. Little did we know that 2020 would be the year of the great Indian unraveling.

    What a cowering shame.

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    1. Well, north indians use the word kalu often in a friendly way for their dark-skinned friends. Hell, in villages , people sometimes name their dark-skinned child as 'kaliya'and lighter one as 'gorka'.

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      There are many things to consider here. Sure kalu can mean a term of endearment but only in very limited circumstances. You dont go around calling strangers kalu because they are dark skinned. And since there is also an established pattern of racism from Indians towards blacks, calling a black foreigner kalu without establishing considerable camarederie is not acceptable behavior. And even then it is still sort of crosses a line.

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    3. "Hell, in villages , people sometimes name their dark-skinned child as 'kaliya'and lighter one as 'gorka'."
      Yeah, I dont think this is healthy either. The word carries undertones of derision even if stated in an affectionate way. This can lead to a ton of complexes as the child grows up.

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    4. The problem here is that Indians are casually racist and it is not being received well by foreigners. Like sir aptly pointed out, even with a very close friend who is black, using words like Kaalu is overstepping the line. Also there is a reason India is considered the most racist country on earth. We have internalized this racism so much that it does not even strike us that we appear racist towards others. As is already happening in the Middle East, it is starting to backfire.

      We need to seriously improve.

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    5. Silly nicknames are hardly "racist" though. This reads a lot like Indian Americans getting upset over Apu of the Simpsons. It just comes off as gay and overly sensitive.

      For example, dark skinned Indians are NOT systematically discriminated against, denied jobs, denied housing, shot dead in front of their children.. basically not treated the way Blacks are in the US. THAT is racism , not calling someone "kaalu" lmao

      Of course racism DOES exist in India, but it is not because Africans are dark, but because they are well.. African! The average idiot from rural India has an immensely skewed misperception about Africans and believes in his heart of hearts that they are morally inferior savages. The accusations hurled at Africans go like "They do drugs, indulge in prostitution, steal things.. blah blah". It is not "they are dark so I hate them". There are similar attitudes towards Chinese, and I have personally witnessed Chinese tourists being shabbily treated by airport security

      It is piffle to claim that India is the "most racist country in the world". They are ignorant, poor and stupid, but racial superiority does not come into the picture

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    6. Also Hasan Minhaj is a whiny pencil neck bitch

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    8. There isnt systemic discrimination against dark skinned people but there is certainly a very strong social bias. And you prove just it by dismissing the entire "kalu" thing altogether. Forget about the dark skinned aspect. It is stupid and rude to go around ascribing random nicknames to people you dont know based on their appearance. You are asking for a beating.
      I have no problem with Apu and I think Hari Kandabolu's own personality problems drive the Apu issue than any quest for social justice.

      Did you come here from indiachan by any chance?

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    9. When there are so many upper castes with dark skin and sharp features, how can there be bias against dark skin? There might be a slight bias towards those who look tribal, Mongoloid, or Australoid, but that happens in literally every society on earth. The minorities get the shit end of the stick.

      The problem is that Hasan Minhaj is a Paki bitch who likes to whine about how bad Indians are to Whiteoids in America, despite the fact that absolutely no one cares. Thank god his show was cancelled.

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    10. I came here via Historum actually.

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    11. When there are so many upper castes with dark skin and sharp features, how can there be bias against dark skin? "

      ??? your query doesnt make any sense.

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    12. I meant that dark skinned upper castes do not suffer social discrimination in India. Upper castes are in positions of power all over the country, dark skin or not. How can that be possible if there is a "strong social bias" against dark skin? I mean Vajpayee was pretty damn dark. Most of the Telanagana MLAs and MPs are dark as hell. How has their dark skin lessened their quality of life?

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    13. "I meant that dark skinned upper castes do not suffer social discrimination in India. Upper castes are in positions of power all over the country, dark skin or not. How can that be possible if there is a "strong social bias" against dark skin? I mean Vajpayee was pretty damn dark. Most of the Telanagana MLAs and MPs are dark as hell. How has their dark skin lessened their quality of life?"

      You are speaking in terms of politics here. People vote for other things besides looks. If that were the case more movie stars would be politicians than usual. Telangana people are usually dark skinned and hence people who look like them would represent them.
      IF a politician was ALSO fair skinned that may give him a leg up. But not neccesarily.

      Also you forget good old fashioned nepotism and dynastic politics.

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    14. I think skin color is only important in India in the wedding industry. Other Indians don't care quite so much about skin color. Kaalu is a slur against dark people but so is Gora against whites.

      I agree with Jahan's observation that Indian attitudes towards Africans is driven by ignorant opinions on the their culture rather than animosity against skin color. This used to be the case in Jim Crow America is well. To the extent that discrimination against blacks happens in the US, this is justifiable given the rate of crime in the black community. Italians and Irish used to be given the same treatment back in the day.

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    15. There is racial prejudice against Africans but it is not due to any social interactions such as say those in American south or inner cities had with blacks. Hence it is generally lacking malice. This I agree with.
      However the presence of African students in India and various anti social elements within these groups gave the prejudice a shot in the arm.
      On the cusp on the civil rights era , the unemployment rate of average black youths was slightly lower than that average white youth. The blacks were also likely to be more law abiding . OF course this was as much due to terror of the police and the inequities of the justice system as due to social norms before single motherhood, welfare states and drugs devastated black society.

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  8. Looks like a lot of Black people in America still support Trump. They are actively calling bullshit on BLM and rejecting their victimhood rhetoric. I saw a video where a Black man from Chicago said he was far more likely to be killed by Black gangsters. In another video, an African immigrant despised BLM and said they were ruining America's reputation worldwide. She would simply not accept being a victim. She said she was Black and free. In yet another video, a Black military veteran called bullshit on Hollywood. Also many of them are actively digging out the pasts of Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden and questioning the Democrat party and the BLM over it. One of them even asked why there is a bronze statue dedicated to Bill Clinton when he raped/molested so many women. In another video, a mob was found assaulting a Black man and BLM was missing.

    Looks like the BLM riots have backfired badly.

    Could Trump be one of the few Republican Presidents to enjoy so much Black support? I have never seen any other candidate from his party enjoy their support so much.

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    1. African immigrants generally are despised by white leftists because the latters entire narrative about victimization and needing government support collapses. Their existence is a slap against their faces. Also their very vocal homophobia terrifies lefties. Most Africans I met are utterly disgusted by Obamas very liberal record on gay and trans rights. Some go as far as to call him illuminati etc. All of this is a nightmare for white leftists even black Americans who disagree with them take it in stride
      White leftists are really becoming mentally ill by the day.

      Trump was by word for flashy wealth and bragadaccio and was admired by black rappers in the 1980s and 90s and repeatedly referenced to in their records in a complimentary manner who shared many of his tastes.

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    2. Michiga and Washington state where I studied and worked. But I grew up in India and UAE, went to U.S when I was 18, still formative so I was influenced by the culture considerably. But thats only because I made an effort to escape the mental and even physical ghetto Indians tend to create. Heck even Indian Americans do that.

      re Boxers. I think Nicholas Nassem Taleb made an interesting observation in his and many gyms. The ones doing resistance training and cardio were pro Hillary but those in the weight rooms were pro Trump. Boxers and martial artists such as Joe Rogan are generally either libertarian/apolitical/right leaning or centre left. Hard leftists are rare unless they are celebrities.

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    3. I see.

      I never knew much about Trump and his popularity with Blacks, but I got suspicious when I saw the media in America so I decided to ask you about it.

      Looks like all the media and Democrat propaganda has fallen flat on its face. Maybe they should try working harder and better in other ways to get more support and votes instead of engaging in these theatrics.

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  9. Surreal...China just came in and took away the Galwan valley without any resistance!!!

    It is unbearable. The loss, the humiliation. We did not even put up a fight to defend our territory.

    China is going too far. They need to be stopped but who will stop them now?

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    1. Do not expect much in terms of national security especially in dealing with China from hollow personalities whether in Congress or BJP. Modi's real emphasis is cultural jihad and that is where his heart lies. If chinese soldiers intruded into Indian territories and killed some cows and then he would spring into action.

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    2. I know that but it still hurts.

      We did not even fight to defend what is our territory. This is why I said scrapping Article 370 last year was a mistake. Everyone else was dreaming of buying land and settling in Kashmir and Ladakh. But if the Chinese keep slicing it away from us?

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  10. I asked a question to YSV about evolution of land ownership and control of land by zamindars(from being a simple revenie colle tor to being de jure owner) in the past 500 years in andhra/telangana region in some post 2 days ago and i can't seem to find it 😁 . YSV, have you answered that question ?

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    1. https://empiresoflight.blogspot.com/2020/04/hello-crappy-indian-special-forces.html?showComment=1600318083955#c7794579709804850844

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      Just in case u wish to do so ,u may consider increasing the displayed comments from 5 to 10 or more ,or else we are losing track of last discussion sometimes :)

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  11. btw have you read this post by razib khan https://unherd.com/2020/09/how-brahmins-lead-the-fight-against-white-privilege/ ? (he's literally click-baiting here)

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    1. He is right that privileged Indian immigrants(not always Brahmins though) are rather obnoxious leftists and insist on victimhood pokemon points upon entering America. There are people who barely get off the plane and start agitating for illegal immigrants.
      Such types though a minority are very vocal and give opportunities for Americans whether white ,black or whathaveyou to negatively stereotype Indians. Blacks generally are much more nativist in restricting immigration than whites and they resent PC immigrants who claim to speak on their behalf.

      I started a post on Saikat Chakraborty-the man behind ALexandria Ocasio Cortez's in light of his wearing a Subhash Chandra Bose tshirt and the controversy it created in U.S . but you know me...

      TLDR: Indian upper caste leftists importing their trademark elistism under a social justice veneer ala Naxalites to America.

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    2. He mentioned people like Saira Rao who charge $2500 for meet and greet or rather mould and grate where she torments nice white rich women for having white privilege.
      This is a sort of verbal S&M that many whites engage in.

      Her own friends (presumably who doesnt charge for having dinner with her) ditched her after about a year of putting up with her bullshit. She whined about it quite a bit on twitter.

      She has a never ending litany of complaints about her adopted homeland. But apparently it is racist to ask them to pack and leave a place they dont like.

      Anyway India leads the world in slaves/bonded labor who literally dont own their own bodies. So the rantings of a mentally unstable wine aunt is of very low priority in order of problems in the world.

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  12. BTW ysv_rao do you know anything about Karnams in historical Andhra? I am a Telugu Brahman whose ancestors moved to Tamil Nadu maybe a few hundred years ago. We regard ourselves as Velanatis who are considered Vaidikas, but we have a history of owning land, serving the Travancore Rajas, and being Karnams. I thought Vaidikas had nothing to do with such secular pursuits. Can you shed some light on this?

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  13. Ysv&others

    This question is off topic for the above post. If u see world history ,it seems India was not the only civilization that started off glorious ,there was china,ancient Japan,korea was not too backward either ,then a few golden African civilizations and not to forget the esoteric South America &central America of antiquities . Recently I was reading a book on African mysticism by Dr Edward bynum ,it is a scholarly work on mystic undercurrents in ancient Africa. Dr bynum has expounded as to how the bushmen and tribals of Africa,including the Egyptian civilization,had advanced ideas of serpent energy ,yoga ,the concept of universal consciousness etc . Yet except for India and it's tradition of Vedas&Upanishads ,nowhere on the world u get such rich literary tradition even though there had been rich civilizations in other parts of the world . Atleast I couldn't trace any African literary tradition ,though from the works of Dr bynum i get to know that they had reached quite astounding levels of mystic philosophy. Is the tradition of copious high quality literature a byproduct of Sanskrit being a great linguistic tool ? Surely it can't be called a byproduct of material development in Indus valley or Vedic times as this kind of progress was touched not just by India but in many other parts of the world . What exactly was unique about indic civilization that we got such high end literature development? I mean that the spiritual perspective is there ,that india is a land of yoga ,but beyond this I would love to know the sharp logical &scientific opinion on this anomaly _/\_

    Btw just an update -i recalled it right now ,I think apart from India ,Greece is the only other land that boasts of strong literary quality , isn't it ? So does it have something to do with this specific group of linguistic medium that may converge classical Greek with Sanskrit ? Also in that case ,why did other parts of globe not manage to bring out strong language of their own even through their philosophical depth was not shallow ,to say the least ?

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  14. Hi all,

    Has anyone been observing the flare-up between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Nagorno-Karabakh?

    Azerbaijan is backed by Turkey, Pakistan and Israel.
    Armenia is backed by Iran, Russia and India.

    Interestingly Israel and Turkey always end up on the same side of a conflict. This was also the case in the Syrian civil war where Turkey and Israel supported the opposition but only to the extent of holding out against Assad. Both parties wanted Assad to continue in power for their own purposes. Now Israel has supplied Azerbaijan with Kamikaze drones which it used when bombing Assad's air bases in Damascus and other parts of Syria close to Israel.

    Even more interesting is Israel and India on the opposite sides of the conflict.

    In the Eastern Mediterranean conflict between Turkey and Greece, Israel has sat out. Greece is backed by the UAE, Egypt, Cyprus and France while Turkey is alone. Italy will join Greece soon.

    Looks like Erdogan is going to end up with a bloody nose...and face.

    Israel's survival instincts seem to be as sharp as a razorblade. They will do anything to survive and thrive.

    One can only wonder about the Sanghis who flood Twitter with near-orgasmic love for Israel...

    But why is India even getting involved here? There is nothing to gain and everything to lose. If anything, India could have mediated and made peace between both parties. That would have at least elevated India's sagging image, which could help the cause against China...

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