Serbian answer to Vadakayil /P.N Oak
I suppose we have to fair to Indians. We are not the only ones to have crackpot ideas about all civilizations emanating from India. There is a good deal of these around the world
Here is the Serbian version, from the comments of a Croat on unz.com
Being a Croat, I know something about Serbian mythology. Kosovo is just a belated, small-scaled variant of what their rational historians call “romantic school of historiography”. It all has begun in the 1870ies, with “historians” like Miloš Milojević, and then continued with quasi-historians & writers Sima Lukin Lazić, ..and then to lunatics like Jovan Deretić (not to be confused with a literary historian bearing the same name), Olga Pjanović Luković etc.
Main tenets:
* Serbs are the oldest people on earth, most other peoples stemming from them
* ancient Egyptian civilization had been, basically, Serbian & as well as Indian
* nothing about China & Africa (phenotypically too different)
* Serbs established Mesopotamian civilization, while a branch of Serbs moved northward, founding Siberia (S-b-r, it’s the same as S-r-b, so…)
* most Egyptian pharaohs & Roman emperors were Serbs
* Jesus was, in all likelihood, a Serb, and some say that Serbs were builders of the Tower of Babel
* ancient Greeks were Serbs, too, and Homer & Aristotle wrote, basically, in Serbian
Politically powerful cultures such as U.S.A ,France and U.K dont tend to produce such cranks. Im sure they do but they are laughed at and not taken seriously. In America the closest I can think of are the Mormons who believe in an elaborate and fantastic mythology which puts the American continent and native Americans at the forefront of their religion.
Arabs believe they created Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations despite not having anything common with Arabs at all. Not satisfied many believe they were the ancestors of Jews as well.
Germans believed that Romans were of Germanic origin, they created Roman civilization but the weather in Italy wasnt to their liking and so they headed back periodically invading to reinvigorate their blood. British bootlicker Nehru swallowed this Nordic supremacist theory hook,line and sinker and included it in his ridiculous book on World History. Germans heavily promoted these and similar theories after their defeat in WWI to heal their fragile egos. Of course Germans under our friend Hitler also believed they created Vedic civilization.
I am aware of Greek supremacists who think that Egyptian and Mesopotamian was of Greek origin. And pretty much every famous Indian dynasty post Maurya was given a Greek pedigree by wild eyed British historians. Hence Coorgis become Alexanders descendents and Chalukya was apparently a corruption of Seleukus.
In U.S I knew many Irish people who genuinely believed that they were descendents of King David . Dont ask me how. Just something about King David having red hair.
OTOH Afrocentrists claim the heritage of Greeks and Israelites for themselves.
Persians such as Dr. Samar Abbas who is their P.N Oak ascribe pretty much every Indian civilizational attainment to Persia. Their favorite acquisition was the Pallava dynasty which using PN Oak type logic was said to be a corruption of Pahlava.. They dont even spare Buddha. Persia was advanced than India in material culture such as roads, military organization, postal systems, building technology, armour and agriculture such as water wheel but much of these were lifted from Babylonians and Assyrians. The most important contribution of Persia was probably the custom of administrative records which led to writing on a large scale.
It seems that countries and societies who arent quite up to par with the first world are more likely to indulge in fanciful history and conspiracy theory to make up for their complexes.
What is your favorite crank theory from India or abroad? Anything from the Vadakayil or Oak stable if possible as we are quite familiar with these :)
I think this Iranian American person will do?
ReplyDeletehttp://iranpoliticsclub.net/
I saw these posts.
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/culture-language/mythology1/index.htm
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/culture-language/mythology2/index.htm
http://iranpoliticsclub.net/culture-language/mythology3/index.htm
I do not know much about Iran. Maybe you know better so you can verify.
"Their favorite acquisition was the Pallava dynasty which using PN Oak type logic was said to be a corruption of Pahlava" --- By the way, are you reading Razib khan's blog 'brownpundits ' these days :) ? Someone wrote abput the pahlavas and pallavas connection there . Razib also writes for Rob unz's site. As for ethnocentrism, every country and ethnicity has it's share of such folks. Online population genetics blogs are full of such folks. A lot of Germans(and lot of Russians/Eastern european) still believe their ancestors created vedic civilization. This view has been strengthened in the past 4-5 years.
ReplyDelete"Arabs believe they created Sumerian and Egyptian civilizations despite not having anything common with Arabs at all." --- Who created Sumerian civilization ?
The Sumerian language is an isolate and could not be reliably connected to any other group. David McAlpin suggested Dravidian but that is a controversial position.
DeleteTheir descendents are probably the marsh Arabs of southern Iraq today.
Hey YSV you should post on 4chan /history/ board. It's a good platform and maybe you are already aware of it.
ReplyDeletethere many versions of pn oaks , david ickes and vadakalites, check this black dude by the name " Hotep Jesus" who claims Africans Were in the Americas Before Columbus! this fellow makes captain look normal LOL...
ReplyDeletecaptain these days has launched tirade against kayastha caste first it was chitpavans
Deletesikhs kammas reddys Tamils dalits etc
One day he will finally reveal to his followers that they are crypto Jews must convert back to Judaism , his real mission was to unite Jews and create Greater Israel stretching from Arabia to India his anti Semitic remark was just a big hoax and captain was really a Rothschild in disguise all along !!! and he will world from Kerala :)
Of course if he decides each and everyone is a crypto Jew. Tomorrow some other crackpot will come along and declare the captain a Zionist agent. In the end, conspiracy theorists end up eating their own.
DeleteI think I saw this Hotep guy videos on Youtube but the channel has been deleted for copyright violations.
Deletedid you realise no non-Indian cares about his site, only low iq readers follow his blog, hence the shitty comments going "sirrrr", "deeksha", people know he steals from others and calls it his own, like stonehenge being built by indians is from a older book in 1800s yet captain claims he is first to do so in the owrld.
ReplyDeleteMost other people know this, but he simply blocks them
Ajit has a lot of similarities with Nithyananda. Ever listen to Nithyananda's speeches? We share it a lot in whatsapp, his theories on physics and chemistry of time.
ReplyDeleteI hadn't read Captain's blog for years, but when entering something in my browser an old bookmark was autofilled and I decided to see what he was up to. Obviously he has not become sane since I last read his blog.
ReplyDeletePossibly my favorite thing I read from him was something about Vimanas. I don't remember the specifics, but he used words like "ion" "quantum" and various other sciencey sounding words that made no sense whatsoever. And he claimed it was all in the Vimana shastra or something.
I asked him why he wasn't building vimanas if he knew how it all worked. For some reason he never responded.
LOL.. he never responded because he likely deleted your comments , you made a valid observation
DeleteNihilist, one could close his eyes and point to anything the captain has ever written and come up with a valid argument against it one the spot. The guy's "work" is an entire tree loaded with low hanging fruits.
Deletesadly true ,but there are post like one he did about sailor series and his experience with chemical treatment inside ship may have been his original works
DeleteI'm not aware of his work in chemistry or whatever his field of study was, but I assume he's intelligent. Even if he's making up everything he says from thin air, the amount of references he makes are the product of an (over)active brain.
DeleteIt's just not high quality input he's dealing with I assume, and possibly he's also mentally ill which nullifies whatever intelligence he has, or rather had. He functions as a mentally handicapped person now.
Ajit is a conspiracy theorist. He might be patriotic but at the same time he is creating an atmosphere of hatred just like the politicians. He talks ill about Africans saying they are stupid, considers tamils as stupids, always behind jews. I mean his view is that Keralites/Danavas are the only perfect and rest all are stupids. He is definitely not a sane person as a sane person would not be so extreme.
ReplyDeleteHe has now declared Roman emperors as Keralites. Along with Peruvians, ancient Egyptians and what have you. His condition is becoming increasingly severe.
Delete"Ajit is a conspiracy theorist." That word doesn't mean much anymore and is used as a deflection against valid criticism more often than not.
DeleteBut in the more archaic form of the word, yes he's a conspiracy theorist in the ranks of Ancient Aliens, and early days David Icke who talked about extraterrestrials running our governments.
I think the problem is that he's actually suffering from a debilitating mental illness which is why his views get weirder and weirder over time, as opposed to many conspiracy researchers who discard certain unrealistic elements as they learn more.
Not just Keralites but Keralite Thiyyas- which is his caste.
DeleteI guess now we can understand why the trinity were against the Danavas getting the Amrut! They develop a lot of ego with the knowledge (Ravana). No wonder he has a soft corner for Dasamukha, Ravana.
DeleteThiyyans and ezhuvans originally came from Ceylon.It is said that they were first brought to Tamil Nadu by Karaikala Chola when he conquered Sri Lanka By profession Thiyya people indulged in Ayurvedic medicine (‘vaidyars’) and Sanskrit scholars, warriors (‘chekavars’), traders and toddy tappers. thiyyas were also expert navigators.
DeleteAjit vadakayil posses many such characters above it also explains his navigational skills in sea. thiyyas are of danava origin they worship spirits they come from sri lanka land once ruled by Ravana hence captains admiration for his clan is not surprising the reason why danavas always lost is because they used their powers in deception and had huge ego
DeleteThiyyas in northern Kerala anyway have a superiority complex vis a vis Ezhavas and come up with all sorts of fanciful stories such origins in Krygyzstan, fighting Alexander ,migrating down to be mercenaries, of royal background but all of a sudden agreed to play second fiddle to Nambudiris. It doesnt make any sense. It is now fashionable to say Ezhavas and Thiyyas are different people but the difference is geographical rather than ethnic/cultural.
DeleteNC Shyamalan(Director M Night Shyamalans father), a Thiyya himself wrote a crackpot book where he mentioned Thiyyas as original Aryans.
I think the basis of this claims is that Ezhavas and Thiyyas share some haplotype with Jats and all sorts of wild speculations started.
Yes Ezhavas and Thiyyas were often the hired muscle of Nairs. Ezhavas managed most Kalaris before they were undermined by Marthanda Varma, then Tipu Sultan and finally the British who banned them.
How Thiyyas knew Sanskrit but not Ezhavas is a mystery though.
Delete"Ajit vadakayil posses many such characters above it also explains his navigational skills in sea. thiyyas are of danava origin they worship spirits they come from sri lanka land once ruled by Ravana hence captains admiration for his clan is not surprising the reason why danavas always lost is because they used their powers in deception and had huge ego"
Interestingly despite being famous for such a coastline, ancient Keralites werent known to be mariners unlike Tamils. Most of their native trading castes went extinct to be replaced by Muslims and Christians who took over navigation on behalf of Zamorins. The Kunjali Marakkars even defeated the Portuguese and kept out of Kerala and South Kanara.
On many Thiyya websites, besides Central Asian Sycthian/Aryan claims , you also have origin stories of Thiyyas originating from Crete and creating the Minoan civilization and upon whose destruction to the volcano Thera migrated to Kerala.
DeleteSuch crackpot claims predate the captains.
I suppose what I am saying is that Thiyyas have many superiority complexes perhaps to mask their past social inferiority since Marthanda Varma (their women were notorious for their sexual liberties and were forced to go topless) . Captain coming from this community has basically has these complexes on steroids.
DeleteIn my view Marthanda Varma was crueller to these castes than Tipu Sultan. Tipu actually wanted to cover the women up.
The most dangerous persons are those who feel they are the reason for everything good that has happened. A person who takes credit for everything and has the biggest ego but such people usually have the smallest prick which is why they puff up the muscles and their ego :))
ReplyDeleteAnd i proved myself right. So he claims he is the reason for Modi's win, he is the reason for everything good happening to Bharatmata, he is the reason for the rise of Pro-Hindu. He wants to become the next Shankaracharya, Next Gandhi. I am not sure why he thinks so great of himself as everybody can see through his mental games and can easily guess the direction he is heading.
ReplyDeleteHe took credit for Modis success even in 2014. Not to mention Vladmir Putin and Donald Trump.Now he claims to be the most read writer on the internet. He measures this by number of profile views LOL.
Deleteone billions views!!! yet his own neighbors don't recognize who is ajit vadakayil
DeleteHis so called imaginary friends modi , trump etc haven't acknowledged his existence in mainstream media , poor vadakayil is victim of Rothschild conspiracy
against him....