tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2292201847928976780.post6909425304026455097..comments2024-03-20T15:58:23.934+00:00Comments on Yantra , Tantra, Mantra: Ramayana: Bridging Puranic and Vedic Hinduismysv_raohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2292201847928976780.post-36948022973910429082016-04-21T17:56:47.693+01:002016-04-21T17:56:47.693+01:00Good analysis jamGood analysis jamAkhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11363656581669062702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2292201847928976780.post-13901288389399502512015-05-17T06:56:51.526+01:002015-05-17T06:56:51.526+01:00@ YSV & PremChand
Moreover,I think that the a...@ YSV & PremChand<br /><br />Moreover,I think that the allegories were not exactly allegorical in the eary Vedic or Tantric times,when there were spiritually enlightened Gurus to guide students into the world of mysticism.at present they have become allegorical and meaningless to us because we have lost the guidance.Jamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00848084563007231209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2292201847928976780.post-20984606675600274352015-05-17T06:54:59.178+01:002015-05-17T06:54:59.178+01:00@ YSV
"take a Chandra here, some Rudra there...@ YSV<br /><br />"take a Chandra here, some Rudra there , burn some Kama in the process and you've got yourself a Shiva!" - Probably this was the vedic way of integrating the nonvedic(tantric) Shiva into their realm.Rama praying to Rameshwaram Shiva also might be carrying this same inner significance,ie,veda accepting the discarded part of samudra manthan tantra.<br /><br />@ PremChand<br /><br />"If Sagar Manthan is an allegory, is Ganga's descent also an allegory? If not, what is the criterion to consider an event in the texts as an allegory?" - These allegories are spiritual in nature.If you can advance in meditative penance to a high level,the underlying meanings in the scriptures which are apparent fanciful and meaningless,will be revealed to you by your consciousness.Then you will find that in many cases expressing your inner vision in correct words in the language of humans will be impossible.Hence the need to define them through allegories,which portray them in the closest possible way ,because it is impossible to describe many extrasensory experiences and revelations in human languages.<br />Jamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00848084563007231209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2292201847928976780.post-58356750815018135442015-05-16T00:29:17.452+01:002015-05-16T00:29:17.452+01:00I never said Brahman was a diety but the abstracti...I never said Brahman was a diety but the abstraction of a ultra entity who supersedes all dieties. And later it was Vishnu and Shiva who would always compete for the title of Brahman so to speak<br /><br />There is always confusion in geneology due to either contracting it to bring a king closer to more illustrious ancestors and going off on a tangent and finding supernatural antecendents which may have a meaning which is lost now.<br />So don't throw out the baby with the bathwater.<br /><br />Ganga's descent under Sagara -no. Until Bhagiratha-yes<br />If you read the Puranas, there are commentaries in some I believe Markandeya Purana to my recollection is pretty explanatory of what each dietiy means, what it represents and why and what sage brought it about.<br />And some are not so much such as the Garuda Purana which is purely supernatural imagery with relatively little exposition.<br /><br />Im aware of Ravana being a Shaiva bhakt but the point was Shiva was alive and well in what is actually considered a very "Vedic" era<br /><br />I explained why Ganesha, Karthikeya are not really distinct from Vedic dieties. If you didn't understand the first time, I will not bother again.The line between being a contrarian for the sake of it and being dense is a fine one.<br /><br />The politics in the Vedas are miniscule compared to those of the Puranas. And they are there only because they had written/sponsored the writing of the Mandalas. A lot of it was compiled in the Kuru Panchala region but the sages and kings were not restricted to that "Aryan"area.<br /><br /><br /><br />ysv_raohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06078517736366792665noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2292201847928976780.post-77949469453546586222015-05-15T12:57:18.909+01:002015-05-15T12:57:18.909+01:00Agreed that Shiva, Vishnu and Indra have evolved f...Agreed that Shiva, Vishnu and Indra have evolved from the Vedas to Puranas. But Brahma, Ganesha, Karthikeya, Durga et al are not seen in the Vedas and are indeed theologically distinct from the Vedic deities. The Upanishadic Brahman is not exactly a deity. It is a kind of consciousness pervading the Universe. This is not found in the Puranas, at least the earlier ones.<br /><br />The bulk of the Ramayana is coherent compared to the Mahabharata, but there are different versions of it, with some kandas (chapters) added. Ramayana is by no means a wholesome guide to Hinduism. It is a small part of the ocean of Hindu beliefs.<br /><br />Wild imagery notwithstanding, the fact remains that when it comes to genealogies, the Vedas, Puranas and epics mutually contradict each other too often. This means that modern scholars cannot agree with traditional scholarship in considering these texts as proper historical records.<br /><br />If Sagar Manthan is an allegory, is Ganga's descent also an allegory? If not, what is the criterion to consider an event in the texts as an allegory?<br /><br />Ravana may have had a run in with Shiva but nevertheless he is said to be a devout Shiv-bhakt.<br /><br />"Now there was greater quality control in the Vedas as they were the base and dealt with plainly religious matters and not much political history "<br /><br />There was a fair amount of politics in the Vedas as well with the exploits of chieftain Sudas, the battle of ten kings, etc. The 'family books' ie the earlier mandalas are said to be written by powerful Vedic families in the Kuru-Panchala region. The very act of collecting canonical books into the Rig Veda, the perfection of Srauta ritual etc were part of a political process in the Vedic times.Prem Chandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00116823815570239798noreply@blogger.com